Trump 2016 Or Hillary?

Simple question Hillary or Trump?


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So, I read this link and what it says is four things:
.....#1 "nothing has emerged that contradicts what Hillary Clinton is saying"
.....#2 it says that the documents/e-mails in question were probably sent to her, not her sending them out.
.....#3 Charles McCullough refuses to identify the source of this "rumor"
.....#4 Fox News is quarterbacking this story

Now, I'm not denying sensitive material might have ended up on her server ... I'm just saying PROVE she did something illegal.

Let's look at your points:

#1 "nothing has emerged that contradicts what Hillary Clinton is saying"

  • Hillary's own website says: Was it allowed? Yes. The laws, regulations, and State Department policy in place during her tenure permitted her to use a non-government email for work.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/07/13/email-facts/
  • The State Department Inspector General's report says otherwise: OIG found no evidence that the Secretary requested or obtained guidance or approval to conduct official business via a personal email account on her private server....
    Secretary Clinton had an obligation to discuss using her personal email
    account to conduct official business with their offices, who in turn would have attempted to
    provide her with approved and secured means that met her business needs. However, according
    to these officials, DS and IRM did not—and would not—approve her exclusive reliance on a
    personal email account to conduct Department business
http://static.politico.com/f3/9b/19d29ab14abeb4a30ca2975f1e6c/oig-report.pdf

  • Don't forget, Hillary pledged to cooperate fully with the government investigations....but her and her aides refused to testify for the inspector general:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/26/us/politics/state-department-hillary-clinton-emails.html?_r=0

#2 it says that the documents/e-mails in question were probably sent to her, not her sending them out.

  • The State Department Inspector General's report says sending or receiving classifed emails on private emails is prohibitted: If an employee has any emails (regardless of age) on his or her private email account(s) that have not already been forwarded to the employee’s official email account, then such emails need to be forwarded to the employee’s state.gov account as soon as possible. Employees are reminded that private email accounts should not be used to transmit or receive classified information.
#3 Charles McCullough refuses to identify the source of this "rumor"

  • What in the world are you suggesting? Charles McCullough is hardly some republican operative. He's the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, appointed by Obama in 2011 and unanimously confirmed by the then Democrat led Senate.
#4 Fox News is quarterbacking this story

  • Oh the horror!! Fox News did their job and reported the news....just as NBC, CNN, ABC, etc. etc. did. I presume since you read the articles you noticed that NBC reported they had separate confirmation of their own from two different intelligence officials??? But Fox reported it, so cry about them as the boogey man as if that covers up the facts at hand.

Then you state: Now, I'm not denying sensitive material might have ended up on her server

  • That REALLY downplays the damage that could be done by this information. This material was Top Secret and above. The government criteria for Top Secret is: Top Secret is the classification level applied to information whose unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security.
http://navyadvancement.tpub.com/12018/css/Security-Classification-Levels-693.htm


As to whether what she did was "illegal" We'll have to see if Obama's Department of No Justice will charge her or not.....don't hold your breath.
 
As to whether what she did was "illegal" We'll have to see if Obama's Department of No Justice will charge her or not.....don't hold your breath.
.....Sorta like the war crimes of Cheney & Rumsfeld, right? Except 5 thousand of our soldiers and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians didn't die under Hillary's e-mails. And, when Democrats wanted to go after Cheney & Rumsfeld, Obama didn't let them.
.....h-h, why can't you admit that the whole reason Republicans are chasing phantom e-mails and Benghazi ISN'T to seek justice, but to discredit Hillary and gain power for Republicans? If they had some (actually ANY) accomplishments for the country over the past 7 years, they might be able to stand and say "we seek justice for the American People", but they don't seek justice, just power by trying to discredit their adversaries. Republicans have purposely cost this country a tremendous amount of money & lives by being nothing but an Obstructionist Party.
 
most of these people don't really have any opinions of their own and don't know the facts.... they just listen and take as gospel anything fox news puts out.... and with the election getting close Fox has been on a tear here lately with the BS... like I said can't put forth a decent candidate... discredit the opposition!
 
.....Sorta like the war crimes of Cheney & Rumsfeld, right? Except 5 thousand of our soldiers and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians didn't die under Hillary's e-mails. And, when Democrats wanted to go after Cheney & Rumsfeld, Obama didn't let them.
.....h-h, why can't you admit that the whole reason Republicans are chasing phantom e-mails and Benghazi ISN'T to seek justice, but to discredit Hillary and gain power for Republicans? If they had some (actually ANY) accomplishments for the country over the past 7 years, they might be able to stand and say "we seek justice for the American People", but they don't seek justice, just power by trying to discredit their adversaries. Republicans have purposely cost this country a tremendous amount of money & lives by being nothing but an Obstructionist Party.

How typical, point by point facts are presented which discount everything you said....well lets just completely ignore that and deflect to a totally unrelated topic to slam Cheney & Rumsfeld.

Why won't you admit the whole reason Hillary's email problem has dragged on so long is she purposely set up a private server to be able to control what emails she would let the American people see through FOIA requests....which is clearly a violation of the law.

The IG investigation/report also turned up evidence that Hillary DID NOT turn over all her work related emails as she claimed. They found copies of her emails from other sources that were not in the package of "all her work related emails" she chose to produce. Some were gems like this:

"The Deputy Chief of Staff [Huma Abedin] emailed the Secretary that 'we should talk about putting you on state email or releasing your email address to the department so you are not going to spam,'" the report reads. Clinton wrote back, "Let's get separate address or device but I don't want any risk of the personal being accessible."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/state-dept-audit-finds-hillary-clinton-didnt-comply-with-email-policies/


Gee wonder why she didn't want us to see that? It damn sure isn't about yoga or her daughters wedding plans like she claimed her personal emails she wiped were about. No it is CLEARLY work related and SPECIFICALLY responsive to the question of her private email setup.

Another gem from the IG report is that State department staff who questioned Hillary's private email setup were shutdown and order NEVER TO SPEAK OF IT AGAIN.

The report says that the other staffer who raised concerns about Clinton's private server was told by the director that their office's mission "is to support the Secretary and instructed the staff never to speak of the Secretary's personal email system again."

So whine all you want about republicans dragging out the investigation. Poor old Hillary is a victim of her own attempt to be able ti hide/cover up whatever emails she decided we weren't entitled to see.
 
.....Sorta like the war crimes of Cheney & Rumsfeld, right? Except 5 thousand of our soldiers and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians didn't die under Hillary's e-mails. And, when Democrats wanted to go after Cheney & Rumsfeld, Obama didn't let them.
.....h-h, why can't you admit that the whole reason Republicans are chasing phantom e-mails and Benghazi ISN'T to seek justice, but to discredit Hillary and gain power for Republicans? If they had some (actually ANY) accomplishments for the country over the past 7 years, they might be able to stand and say "we seek justice for the American People", but they don't seek justice, just power by trying to discredit their adversaries. Republicans have purposely cost this country a tremendous amount of money & lives by being nothing but an Obstructionist Party.

War Crimes of Cheney and Rumsfeld? Seriously? Name one "war crime".

5 thousand of our soldiers died protecting this country and defeating an enemy that we actually had defeated until Obama decided to give them troop strength numbers and when and how we would be pulling out of those two countries, leaving a power vacuum that ISIS said "thank you very much, Mr. Obama" to. Well, that and the giving back of 5 enemy Generals for a deserter.

If you call executing the orders of the President of the United States (and the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces) a war crime, then I guess you are right. Or maybe you consider GWB's orders a war crime, which were based on reports from the intelligence forces of the United States, of which the intelligence agencies of Israel, England, Germany and others had come to the same conclusions. Oh, and BTW, don't forget that the intelligence was later proved to be correct by the New York Times and the fact that Assaad in Syria suddenly sprang up with chemical weapons where he had none before or that ISIS when they took over a facility in Iraq filmed the place and demonstrated it was a Chemical warfare manufacturing plant and the American press called it that too.

The only war crimes I see are giving comfort and aid to the enemy (Giving the generals back), failure to keep classified information (giving troop strengths and withdrawal dates), interfering in the governments of sovereign nations that had not threatened us (the "Arab spring"), and a few other things that Obama and Hillary did.

If Obama didn't let those Democrats "go after" Cheney and Rumsfeld, it seems like a problem of the Democrat party. Either that or even Obama realized THERE WAS NO CASE!!!

As for the emails against Hillary, ALL THREE - The State Department, The FBI, and the Inspector General, have said there were over 1000 emails on her server that were designated Top Secret or higher. At least two known hacker groups have said they hacked into her server. You don't think maybe that put sources at risk or exposed plans of the government? C'mon Mac, not even you can buy that one. That's like saying Gary Hart didn't have an affair. Hillary might as well have taken out an ad in every newspaper in the world and said "Come hack me. I'm a moron.".

And what does the last seven years of failure of the Republicans in Congress have to do with Hillary's email server? Let's stay on topic Mac.

But to answer your question, for 6 of those years the DEMOCRATS and Harry Reid blocked bills from coming to the floor of the Senate. You can't pass a bill without BOTH houses of Congress voting for a bill. I shouldn't have to give you civics lessons. But again, you leave me no choice with your liberal slanting posts.

As for obstructionists costing money and lives, I believe it was Obama who chose to meet with Republicans in Congress exactly ONE time in 2 or 3 years to convince them to pass ACA. Seems like Obama was the obstructionist one to me.
 
How typical, point by point facts are presented which discount everything you said....well lets just completely ignore that and deflect to a totally unrelated topic to slam Cheney & Rumsfeld.

Why won't you admit the whole reason Hillary's email problem has dragged on so long is she purposely set up a private server to be able to control what emails she would let the American people see through FOIA requests....which is clearly a violation of the law.

The IG investigation/report also turned up evidence that Hillary DID NOT turn over all her work related emails as she claimed. They found copies of her emails from other sources that were not in the package of "all her work related emails" she chose to produce. Some were gems like this:

"The Deputy Chief of Staff [Huma Abedin] emailed the Secretary that 'we should talk about putting you on state email or releasing your email address to the department so you are not going to spam,'" the report reads. Clinton wrote back, "Let's get separate address or device but I don't want any risk of the personal being accessible."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/state-dept-audit-finds-hillary-clinton-didnt-comply-with-email-policies/


Gee wonder why she didn't want us to see that? It damn sure isn't about yoga or her daughters wedding plans like she claimed her personal emails she wiped were about. No it is CLEARLY work related and SPECIFICALLY responsive to the question of her private email setup.

Another gem from the IG report is that State department staff who questioned Hillary's private email setup were shutdown and order NEVER TO SPEAK OF IT AGAIN.

The report says that the other staffer who raised concerns about Clinton's private server was told by the director that their office's mission "is to support the Secretary and instructed the staff never to speak of the Secretary's personal email system again."

So whine all you want about republicans dragging out the investigation. Poor old Hillary is a victim of her own attempt to be able ti hide/cover up whatever emails she decided we weren't entitled to see.

Hoping,
Don't forget to give him a link to the UCMJ where he can actually look up treason and the punishments for disclosing classified information. I could cite it from memory, but since I don't know the chapter and verse where the actual text is, he would never accept it. And without links to everything, he will just say you have no proof, even though it has been all over the news for more than a year. lol.
 
even though it has been all over the news for more than a year. lol.
again the only one pushing anything.... and they have been pushing it a lot here lately trying to rig the election... it's all fox news.... why is it only fox?.... everyone reports the news and yet the only thing you hear about the emails thing right now and for several weeks is fox news.... they want to make sure their weak minded get it into their heads that she is bad... pure fox brainwashing!
 
And what does the last seven years of failure of the Republicans in Congress have to do with Hillary's email server
let's see... 30 some votes to repeal the ACA.... over 2 years on Benghazi...... they have really done nothing for the American people in the last 2 or 3 years.... we have 2 republicans running for re-election here.... and in all their ads... not once do they mention they are running for re-election... just they want to do this and that.... why afraid to say they are part of the problem?
 
if her emails were news.... the news stations would cover it.... but since it is innuendo's , slander and lies.... it's covered by Fox
The other stations are covering it as you damn well know.....the links I posted were NBC and CNN....hell I posted video just the other day from the Morning Joe show where the liberal journalists were admitting Hillary is lying.
 
Trump is not perfect but at least he speaks some truth in what he says and what needs to be done. It's a shame every time a shooting occurs the liberals want to always attack gun control . Raving idiots.
 
Trump is not perfect but at least he speaks some truth in what he says and what needs to be done. It's a shame every time a shooting occurs the liberals want to always attack gun control . Raving idiots.

I agree with your second sentence about liberals and gun control, but if you think Trump is telling ANY portion of the truth, you are kidding yourself.

He is telling people exactly what he thinks they want to hear and stirring up their emotions to rile them up (notice a liberal theme there? That's because he's had 70 years of practice as a liberal.). That is why he has gone back on or toned down almost EVERY promise he made or policy he promoted before he won the primaries.
 
He is telling people exactly what he thinks they want to hear and stirring up their emotions to rile them up
got to agree with that... he is an expert showman.... but think maybe he is starting to get in over his head.... wouldn't surprise me at all to see him lose his temper sometime before the election and withdraw!... hate to see it! If he stays in Hillary WILL get some republican votes!
 
This election is most interesting because of the two presumptive candidates neither is qualified to lead this country. Trump's only real talent is for self promotion. He would come out in favor of the public burning of witches if he thought it would help get him elected. Trump is a thin skinned pussy, probably the reason Putin has talked him up. Putin knows that Trump would even be easier to push around that President Obama.

Hillary Clinton is a consummate politician, she lies so well that most of the time she believes what she is shoveling. Unlike Trump she doesn't crave the limelight. She is just in it for the cash. The Clinton's finances are rather interesting. They have gotten quite wealthy from Bill being an ex-president. They really aren't too shy about it either. While Hillary was Secretary of State Bill got paid around 48 million dollars for speeches to foreign companies and governments. The Clinton's have been going this route since Bill was governor of Arkansas. Hillary had to be aware of all the speeches that Bill was getting paid for while she was SoS. Everything was ran by her Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills, a long time Clinton troubleshooter and reputedly the main person responsible for damage control when Benghazi blew up in their faces. Under State Department protocols there is supposed to be an independent advisor within the State Department to advise the Secretary of possible conflicts of interest. Apparently this function was usurped by Ms. Mills. Judicial Watch found many irregularities and clear evidence of conflicts of interest in the many of Bill and Hillary's activities
 
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