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Aw what will we do for entertainment if they replace him?.... I smell a rat! like maybe the Cock brothers?????

Talk grows of replacing Trump at GOP convention
There is growing talk on the right of replacing Donald Trump, the Republican Party’s presumptive nominee for president, and even chatter about a possible alternative.
As Trump has floundered over the past week after questioning a federal judge’s impartiality because of his Mexican ancestry, Trump’s critics within the GOP have stepped up their efforts to thwart him. Some anti-Trump conservatives, who have tried for months to recruit an independent candidate, have begun looking more closely at attempting to persuade delegates at next month’s GOP convention to nominate someone other than Trump.
“There is a rapidly moving train toward the convention to try to obstruct it at the convention. Trump in the last 72 hours has given hope to people who think it’s now possible,” said Erick Erickson, a conservative radio talk show host and one of Trump’s most resolute critics.
“He’s starting to give everybody hope that he should be stopped at the convention,” Erickson said, though he cautioned that if Trump “cleans up his act then I think that hope will go away.”
One of the central players inside the movement to recruit an independent conservative candidate also said Monday that an anti-Trump group was “actively recruiting and setting a convention strategy.”
And David French, a conservative writer who considered running as an anti-Trump independent candidate, told Yahoo News that Trump shouldn’t take his convention nomination for granted. “If Trump continues to be cocky, saying, ‘I can do whatever I want and do whatever I want because I own these people, there’s a limit to that,” French said. “I’m sorry, but there is.”
Public calls for Republicans to replace Trump grew Wednesday.
“I want to support the nominee of the party, but I think the party ought to change the nominee. Because we’re going to get killed with this nominee,” Hugh Hewitt, a nationally syndicated conservative radio talk show host, said. “They ought to get together and let the convention decide. And if Donald Trump pulls over a makeover in the next four to five weeks, great, they can keep him.”
And the same day, Steve Deace, a conservative activist and radio talk show host from Iowa, reviewed Trump’s most recent missteps on his radio show and urged the 2,500 delegates to the Republican convention to “make this stop.”
“History is calling you to step up to the plate. You have not a choice but an obligation. You must save the country,” Deace said to the delegates.
A.J. Spiker, a former Iowa Republican Party chairman, tweeted on Tuesday, “The Republican Party needs a patriot to step forward, challenge Trump, work delegates and win the GOP nomination for president in Cleveland.”
Prominent Republican politicians have also started to distance themselves from Trump. Sen. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., said Tuesday he would not vote for Trump despite having pledged previously to support the party’s nominee. And Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., who also has said he won’t support Trump, told an Arizona radio station that there is “fear and loathing” of the party’s nominee.
“There’s not a lot of enthusiasm. There’s some resignation and some mixture of fear and loathing to think about what the next couple months will bring given the statements that he has made,” Flake said.
Amid this agitation for a Trump alternative, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s name has been increasingly mentioned as a possible replacement. Walker was an early frontrunner in the GOP primary, but he suspended his campaign last summer in the face of sagging fundraising and poll numbers.
Walker previously said he would ultimately support the GOP nominee. But on Tuesday, Walker backed away from supporting Trump, pointedly saying, “He’s not yet the nominee.”
The conservative site RedState reported Wednesday that there are “rumors” that Walker is “open” to such an outcome. And one source who has been involved in the effort to recruit an independent candidate said Walker has told those working to find an alternative that he would be willing to serve as an alternative at the convention if Trump continues to implode.
Rick Wilson, a Florida-based Republican operative involved in the stop-Trump effort, said Walker’s potential entry into the race was “speculative but widely discussed.”
For his part, Walker dismissed the speculation in a statement to Yahoo News: “Let me be clear: I am focused entirely on being governor. If there’s any campaign in the future, it’s going to be running for reelection in 2018, which is a decision that we’ll make in the months ahead following the next state budget.”
Not every anti-Trump conservative thinks the convention discussion is wise. “People have scenarios of the convention. I think they are a waste of time,” said Michael P. Farris, president of Patrick Henry College. “Not that I wouldn’t wish it. I wish it every day.”
Nevertheless, many have argued that the delegates to the convention are technically free to nominate whomever they want, despite the impression that they are bound by the results of the primary votes in each state. Every convention votes on its own rules, so if this year’s GOP delegates wanted to unbind themselves, the argument goes, nothing would stop them. Numerous judicial rulings have found that even state laws, which purport to bind approximately one-third of the delegates, cannot govern the internal affairs of a national political party — such as how delegates vote at a convention.
Deace wrote in a column on Saturday that the convention rules allowing delegates to follow their consciences “are in place to protect the system from just such a leader” as Trump.
French pointed out that many of the delegates to the convention are “people who loathe [Trump], and that hasn’t changed.”
In the past few days, Trump found himself in a new firestorm after he repeatedly brought up the Mexican heritage of U.S. District Court Judge Gonzalo P. Curiel in order to question the judge’s impartiality in a case involving Trump University.
In February, Trump linked Curiel’s heritage to the judge’s supposed hostility in his rulings so far in a lawsuit brought by people who say they were defrauded by Trump University. But the Manhattan developer began escalating that claim last week. Curiel was born in Indiana and is an American citizen.
Trump argued that Curiel had a “conflict of interest” because he is “of Mexican heritage.” Trump said that because he wants to build a wall across the U.S.-Mexico border, Curiel is inherently predisposed to rule against him. As a result, Trump said Curiel should recuse himself from the case involving Trump University, a now-shuttered for-profit school focused on real estate training.
A wave of Republicans rebuked Trump’s argument. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, an enthusiastic Trump supporter, said Sunday that it “was one of the worst mistakes Trump has made.” House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., who endorsed Trump just last week, said Monday that Trump’s comments were “a textbook definition of a racist comment.”
Trump went into damage control mode Tuesday afternoon and evening, issuing a long statement defending Trump University and his complaints about Curiel. Trump further insisted he would no longer talk about the case.
At an election night press conference celebrating more primary wins, Trump implicitly acknowledged his recent struggles by promising to do better.
“You’ve given me the honor to lead the Republican Party to victory this fall,” Trump said, reading from a teleprompter. “I understand the responsibility of carrying the mantle and I will never, ever let you down.”
Many believe Trump is incapable of showing more discipline.
“Every pivot of Trump’s is a 360,” Wilson said. “There’s no better version of Donald Trump. There’s no good Donald Trump.”
 
Amid this agitation for a Trump alternative, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s name has been increasingly mentioned as a possible replacement. Walker was an early frontrunner in the GOP primary, but he suspended his campaign last summer in the face of sagging fundraising and poll numbers.
Walker previously said he would ultimately support the GOP nominee. But on Tuesday, Walker backed away from supporting Trump, pointedly saying, “He’s not yet the nominee.”


you can smell it!
 
Doesn't look like the democrat base is very fired up over Hillary. She's gotten 1.5 million LESS votes in the primary than she did in 2008 when she LOST.

Overall there have been 7 million fewer democrat votes this year than in 2008.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...er-votes-2016-2008-democrats-7-million-votes/

Trump on the other hand won 1.4 million more primary votes than any republican in history.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/trump-trumps-wins-historic-race-record-fashion/

It won't be long now....

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Doesn't look like the democrat base is very fired up over Hillary. She's gotten 1.5 million LESS votes in the primary than she did in 2008 when she LOST.
yes she just did an interview yesterday?.... and when she was secretary of state her approval rating was at 66%... and now she is..down there.... all that bad press the republicans have been throwing out... and "Bernies" big campaign talks have hurt her.... but she is still far better than what you have running!
 
it's always been that the republicans don't follow the will of the people and now they are really getting ready to show it..... Trump won fair and square... although far from my pick... the repub's did pick him... and now they want to try and dump him at the convention and go against the people?
 
they are stuck with him!... they stick with him they lose!... they pick someone else... they divide the party and they still lose... for me it is a win win!
 
numbers show Trump really has not energized the party... the only one that has stirred NEW voters is "Bernie" and hopefully they will swing to Hillary... probably not all... but enough
 
this guy is just a friggn crook!

Donald Trump’s business plan left a trail of unpaid bills
Donald Trump often boasts on the presidential campaign trail that hardball tactics helped make him a successful businessman, an approach many voters say they admire. Those tactics have also left behind bitter tales among business owners who say he shortchanged them.
A review of court filings from jurisdictions in 33 states, along with interviews with business people, real-estate executives and others, shows a pattern over Mr. Trump’s 40-year career of his sometimes refusing to pay what some business owners said Trump companies owed them.
A chandelier shop, a curtain maker, a lawyer and others have said Mr. Trump’s companies agreed to buy goods and services, then reneged when some or all were delivered.
Larry Walters, whose Las Vegas drapery factory supplied Mr. Trump’s hotel there eight years ago, said the developer, Trump Ruffin, wouldn’t pay for additional work it demanded beyond the original contract. When Mr. Walters then refused to turn over some fabric, sheriff’s deputies burst into his factory after Trump Ruffin sued him. Trucks took the fabric away.
Mr. Walters said he never had payment problems with other casino or hotel clients. A review of Las Vegas court records showed no other legal disputes over payments involving him. Mr. Walters agreed to a settlement with Trump Ruffin that was about $380,000 short of what he said he was owed, court records show. He settled, he said, because “they were going to drag it on for many, many years.”
Mr. Trump, in interviews with The Wall Street Journal in May, said “I love to hold back and negotiate when people don’t do good work.” He said of Mr. Walters that the developers “were unhappy with his work.”
“If they do a good job, I won’t cut them at all,” Mr. Trump said of businesses he contracts with, saying “it’s probably 1,000 to one where I pay.” He said he occasionally won’t pay fully when work is simply satisfactory or “an OK to bad job…If it’s OK, then I’ll sometimes cut them.” In dealing with public projects such as bridge-building, he said, “that should be the attitude of the country.”
“I pay thousands of bills on time,” he said, adding that suggesting otherwise is “disgusting.”
Payment disputes aren’t unusual in the construction industry, where aggressive developers sometimes leave behind dissatisfied vendors and contractors. Billionaire casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, chief of Las Vegas Sands Corp., for example, has been involved in payment disputes with contractors concerning his Venetian casino on the Las Vegas Strip. Sands declined to comment.
Yet Mr. Trump’s withholding of payments stood out as particularly aggressive in the industry and in the broader business world, said some vendors who had trouble getting paid.
It is “a strong-arm tactic that is frowned on,” said Wayne Rivers, a small-business consultant in construction. The tactic is more common in Northeast construction than in other regions, he said, and is abnormal in much of American business.
Mr. Trump pushed the approach beyond construction and into day-to-day casino operations, said Jack O’Donnell, president of Mr. Trump’s Plaza casino in Atlantic City in the late 1980s. “Part of how he did business as a philosophy was to negotiate the best price he could. And then when it came time to pay the bills,” he said, Mr. Trump would say that “ ‘I’m going to pay you but I’m going to pay you 75% of what we agreed to.’ ”
Gary Coronado/Palm Beach Post Nicolas Jacobson, owner of Classic Chandeliers in West Palm Beach, Fla., here in 2006, was involved in a payment dispute with Donald Trump over chandeliers.
“In our business it’s very difficult to operate that way. You’re dealing with people on an ongoing basis. Every time you order with them you can’t screw them because they won’t be your suppliers anymore,” Mr. O’Donnell said. Executives at the casino paid vendors fully despite Mr. Trump’s directives, he said, and “it used to infuriate him.”
Alan Garten, general counsel of the Trump Organization, said he didn’t know Mr. O’Donnell and that his account “is certainly not a company philosophy.” He said there is “no question that as a company we are demanding, but we are fair.” He declined to discuss specifics of cases the Journal brought to his attention. “To pick these needles out of a haystack, I don’t think is a fair story.”
Mr. Trump said the only unusual thing about his approach was that he pays bills faster than normal businesses. He said he sometimes gives bonuses for great work, and he agreed to provide names of such vendors. His spokeswoman, Hope Hicks, gave the Journal a list of 10 companies. Trump Organization Chief Financial Officer Allen Weisselberg later said the list was of satisfied vendors who hadn’t gotten bonuses.
The Journal reached seven companies on the list. All said they had positive dealings with Trump companies but hadn’t gotten bonuses. The other three didn’t respond to requests for comment. Ms. Hicks then provided two other names. Both said they got bonuses. One, Lou Rinaldi, owns a Westchester, N.Y., pavement business and said he has worked on golf courses and other projects for about 15 years for Mr. Trump, who he says is a long-time golfing buddy. Mr. Trump has sometimes given him bonuses and handed cash to job-site workers, he said. “He would throw some money over the top,” Mr. Rinaldi said, and would say, “great job, here you go.”
Mr. Trump has written frequently about playing hardball. “You have to be very rough and very tough with most contractors or they’ll take the shirt right off your back,” he wrote in his 1987 book “The Art of the Deal.” In his 2004 book “Trump: Think Like a Billionaire,” he wrote to “always question invoices.”
Among Mr. Trump’s satisfied suppliers is Bart Halpern Inc., a Manhattan fabric company that sold upholstery, drapery and pillow material to Trump projects including the Las Vegas hotel. Bozena Dziewit, its director of hospitality sales, said it has always collected full payments promptly from Trump companies. “We always have a very good experience.”
Mr. Trump’s best-known payment dispute was in Atlantic City in the early 1990s, when Trump executives told contractors working on his Taj Mahal casino they should agree to accept less than full payment or risk becoming unsecured creditors in bankruptcy court. In 1991, the Taj filed for bankruptcy.
Mr. Trump said in a Journal interview last year that those who lost out in the Taj probably wouldn’t have had jobs or contracts in the first place if it weren’t for him.
Vendors with legal muscle have sometimes had better luck collecting, including several that sued Trump University, the now-defunct real-estate school. The MGM Grand in Las Vegas sued Trump University in Clark County, Nev., court in 2009 for allegedly failing to pay a $12,359.51 fee for a canceled event. The casino was paid and dropped the suit, an MGM spokesman said.
A federal judge unsealed court documents in a fraud lawsuit against Donald Trump’s now defunct real estate school, Trump University. WSJ’s Shelby Holliday highlights three key findings. Photo: Zuma Press Related Video
Mr. Trump said of Trump University’s bills: “Everybody has been paid in full. I didn’t have to do that either. I wouldn’t have to pay anybody if I wanted to be cute.”
Some small businesses, such as Classic Chandeliers in West Palm Beach, Fla., decided they couldn’t afford to fight. In 2004, Mr. Trump chose 5-foot-wide chandeliers with 75 bulbs from the store, said Judith Jacobson, who said she designed the fixture and worked there with her ex-husband, Nicolas Jacobson, the owner.
Mr. Trump’s representatives negotiated to buy three chandeliers for his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida for $34,000 total with a 50% down payment, according to court records. “The fact that he was Trump,” Ms. Jacobson said, “my ex-husband said ‘OK, we wouldn’t have any problems with someone who has the means.’ ”
Mr. Trump later sued Classic Chandeliers in Palm Beach County, Fla., court saying he shouldn’t have to pay in full because the company didn’t install the chandeliers properly. Mr. Jacobson, whose last name was spelled Jacobsen in the lawsuit, denied the claim.
Court records show the suit was dropped in 2006 after a planned mediation. Ms. Jacobson said Mr. Jacobson agreed not to be paid in full rather than accumulate legal fees. A review of Palm Beach County court records showed no other payment disputes involving Classic Chandeliers. The shop later closed. Mr. Jacobson died in 2015.
Mr. Trump said of Mr. Jacobson: “He was terrible, that guy…He didn’t do the job properly.”
Ethan Miller/Getty Images Larry Walters’s drapery factory in Las Vegas became involved in a payment dispute over an agreement to supply Trump International Hotel & Tower, pictured here in 2008.
A onetime competitor of Mr. Jacobson’s, owner Jack Shea of Reward Lighting said he had a “fabulous relationship” with Mr. Trump, to whom he said he sold chandeliers without payment problems. Mr. Shea occupies Mr. Jacobson’s former storefront and once bought some of his former business assets.
New York real-estate broker Barbara Corcoran, a frequent guest on the show “Shark Tank,” wrote in a 2003 book that Mr. Trump refused to pay her and associates a commission on a $100 million investment in a New York City real-estate project she helped secure in 1994. Of monthly payments he agreed to make over three years, she wrote, he paid two.
Mr. Trump sued in New York County to cancel remaining payments and recover alleged damages after Ms. Corcoran’s associates were quoted in a profile of him in New York magazine, court records show. The judge ruled against him.
Ms. Corcoran’s then-lawyer, Richard Seltzer, said: “He took advantage of the legal system to try to avoid debts.” Mr. Seltzer, former chairman of real-estate litigation at law firm Kaye Scholer LLP, said Mr. Trump’s approach to business agreements is common only among a small subset of privately-held New York development companies he has encountered but rare in the broader world of real estate and business.
Mr. Trump said he sued Ms. Corcoran because her firm violated a confidentiality agreement and “it wasn’t a big deal.”
Lawyer David Hopper, who worked for Trump Organization and other Trump companies, sued in Virginia federal court claiming that in 2011 they owed him $94,511.35 in legal fees. After invoices from Mr. Hopper went unfilled for more than 60 days, Trump representatives had told his firm the bills were “too high” and it should agree to cap its fees or reduce them by 70%, according to court filings. In response, Mr. Hopper withdrew from representing a Trump company in a federal case.
After a Trump lawyer called Mr. Hopper’s work “shoddy” in a local publication, Mr. Hopper filed his suit, alleging defamation and breach of contract. Trump lawyers responded that the business didn’t owe the money and denied defaming him. The parties settled, drafting a statement that the Trump Organization “appreciated” Mr. Hopper’s services. Mr. Hopper declined to comment.
Mr. Trump said: “We thought he was charging too much.”
Some vendors who did collect said Trump companies delayed payments beyond reason. Ted Sargetakis finally got paid 61 days late after many phone calls to collect a balance of more than $50,000 on fabric his Utah company, Silver State, sold to Mr. Trump’s Las Vegas hotel. “Typically for the larger customers, plus or minus a few days is not unusual,” he said, “but to be 30, 60, 70 days late, that’s out of the norm.”
Mr. Trump said he hadn’t heard of Silver State. “Is that a long time?” he asked of a 70-day delay, adding that “I pay thousands of bills on time.”
In Las Vegas, Mr. Walters’s drapery dispute took a bizarre turn when the sheriff’s deputies presented a court order demanding he hand over fabric his company, Catalina Draperies, was using to make curtains, bedspreads and pillow covers for Trump International Hotel & Tower, being built on the Strip.
The original order in 2007 had been for $702,958, court records show. Trump Ruffin, managed by Mr. Trump, pressed Mr. Walters to hurry, repeatedly asking for extra work, Mr. Walters said in court testimony and other court records.
With the project mostly finished, the company paid Mr. Walters around $553,000 for a job he said had grown to $1.2 million with extra orders and with material he provided, according to court documents. In March 2008, Trump Ruffin rejected his invoices for the extras, Mr. Walters told the Journal this year. He stopped the work and kept the fabrics as collateral.
The company sued him to obtain the fabrics. Trump lawyers said in legal filings Mr. Walters didn’t have proper paperwork to prove he was owed much of the money and had agreed to provide the material.
Mr. Walters told the Journal he had complied with demands for extras, even without formal documentation, because he trusted the Trump company and hoped for more of its business.
Bill Langmade, CEO of Purchasing Management International, the agent that worked on behalf of Trump Ruffin on Mr. Walters’s billing, said the onus is on vendors to have proper paperwork.
Mr. Walters settled in 2008 for $185,000, court records show, collecting $823,000 in total before legal fees. In 2011, he closed the business, blaming the economic slump and Mr. Trump. “We had been fighting the economy,” he said. “We thought Trump was our salvation.”
James Oberman, Melissa Korn, Peter Grant and Brody Mullins contributed to this article.
Write to Alexandra Berzon at alexandra.berzon@wsj.com
 
Fallacies About Hillary Clinton: Setting the Record Straight (Part 1)
My 14-year-old, apolitical ******* came home from school about a month ago and announced at the dinner table to me, my husband, and her 15-year-old brother: “[Insert name of female classmate] said that Hillary Clinton is a liar.”
We all looked at each other. My husband and I are Democrats, live in a blue state, and an ultra-blue county and I have been a Hillary Clinton supporter for years. My husband is not as diehard as I am but voted for her in the primaries.
“Did your friend say why she thinks Hillary Clinton is a liar?”
My *******’s response, “No.”
“Well, what did you say?”
My *******: “Nothing.”
What could she say to that? It’s one of a number of deeply engrained falsehoods started by Republicans in the early 1990’s against Bill and Hillary Clinton when they were the quintessential power couple, as President and First Lady of the United States. Meanwhile, the GOP was mourning the end of the 12-year Reagan/Bush administrations and looking to seize back their power by any means possible. The ironically false “liar” label, along with others, persists to this day.
I found it troubling in part because I am pretty sure the classmate’s parents are Democrats. But moreover, it bothered me that my apolitical ******* had no idea what to say in response to a slanderous label that finds no support in fact. My ******* did seem to know though that her parents weren’t going to be supporting a liar for President and she wanted to see our reaction.
It made me realize that there are probably a lot of people out there—a lot of young (and maybe even older) women—who don’t know what to make of it when they hear the distortions that come out about Hillary Clinton. Thus, I wrote this series of blog posts. I hope it helps women and girls feel more secure in challenging or dismissing these fallacies when they hear them.
Fallacy #1: Hillary Clinton is a liar. She is dishonest and can’t be trusted.
How It Continues to Arise: Donald Trump has taken to calling Clinton “Crooked Hillary” (most recently in a tweet following President Obama’s endorsement of her) as if that makes it true. During the contentious primary season, Bernie Sanders repeatedly made reference to Clinton’s speaking engagements to Wall Street firms, and the large fees she received as a result. The point he was trying to make—often indirectly—is that by accepting these fees, she is corrupt, beholden to Wall Street interests, and part of a bigger problem in the U.S.
The Counterargument: Hillary Clinton—unlike Donald Trump—came from a modest middle class upbringing. She actually made the lion’s share of her “fortune” after she was First Lady for eight years. As recently as 2001, the Clintons were “dead broke.” Clinton has a track record of public service that dates back to young adulthood. Donald Trump’s sole purpose in life until very recently was to make huge amounts of money.
Trump has bragged that despite being a billionaire, he takes advantage of tax loopholes and looked forward to the real estate bubble bursting so that he could swoop in and get some bargains. He has filed for bankruptcy multiple times. Trump University has been labeled a fraud and a lie by its own employees, designed to fleece students who can’t afford the high fees.
The common denominator here is that he clearly relishes taking advantage of the system in a way that enriches himself and hurts others. Trump also refuses to release his tax returns despite it being the standard course of events for presidential candidates to do so, prompting speculation about what could be in those returns.
Even more to the point, according to the political fact-checking website, PolitiFact.com, Hillary Clinton has made statements that are at least partially true 71% of the time, and completely true 22% of the time. By contrast, Donald Trump has made statements at least partially true only 24% of the time, and completely true statements a mere 3% of the time. He has received the aptly titled “pants on fire” designation a whopping 19% of the time, while Clinton received that designation only 1% of the time.
Crooked Hillary?! How about Crooked Donald?
Regarding speaking engagements, former presidents and other leaders command huge sums for speaking to groups who can afford to pay them. That is even when there is no prospect for them to run for office again. Get it? Bill Clinton and George W. Bush don’t make a fortune every time they speak to a crowd because they are running for the White House or Congress and the audience hopes to influence them in some way.
Likewise, no one accuses Barack Obama of being in the pocket of Wall Street bankers despite his acceptance of large contributions from the banks when he was running for president in 2008. Indeed, despite all that Wall Street money, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were both in favor of the landmark banking law—the Dodd-Frank Act—which gives the power to break up banks if they become too powerful. Hillary has made clear during her campaign that she wants to enforce the law and give it teeth through additional regulations and rules.
Even saintly Bernie Sanders has taken advantage of support from special interest groups. The powerful gun lobby, National Rifle Association (NRA) helped him get elected to Congress, and then he turned around and voted in favor of their positions multiple times. Donald Trump likewise recently climbed into bed with the NRA and cozied up. In the meantime, Hillary Clinton has met multiple times with the mothers of victims of shooting incidents. She promises to make gun violence prevention a priority of her administration. I know who I trust most on the issue of gun violence prevention and it certainly isn’t Donald Trump.
Finally, I would submit that there are elements of sexism at play here as well. Is it possible that we hold women to a higher ethical standard than we do men? One study found this to be the case. The next time someone accuses Hillary Clinton of being a “liar,” ask if perhaps he or she expects a woman politician to be more or even far more honest than her male counterparts.
 
Fallacy #1: Hillary Clinton is a liar. She is dishonest and can’t be trusted.
She has been dishonest, on several occasions she has stated that no classified emails were on her server when sources from State Department , the FBI and congressional investigators have all found email classified beyond "Top Secret"
 
She has been dishonest, on several occasions she has stated that no classified emails were on her server when sources from State Department , the FBI and congressional investigators have all found email classified beyond "Top Secret"
but the question really is.... when were they marked classified... they already showed where the B com. said she sent classified stuff... only to discover it was just recently classified... you people from fox news are really pushing to get her out of the way... but it still shows Bernie can beat your candidate so... face the music
 
... the FBI and congressional investigators have all found email classified beyond "Top Secret"
Now THIS is news ... prove that one, Torp ... show us the proof.
What happens is you conservatives go on your feeding frenzies, get yourselves all riled up, and believe practically anything that is fed to you from the RIGHT.
So, I'd be curious as to the SOURCE and CONTENT of those "above TOP SECRET e-mails. Care to share that documentation?
 
Now THIS is news ... prove that one, Torp ... show us the proof.
What happens is you conservatives go on your feeding frenzies, get yourselves all riled up, and believe practically anything that is fed to you from the RIGHT.
So, I'd be curious as to the SOURCE and CONTENT of those "above TOP SECRET e-mails. Care to share that documentation?

Here it is from NBC news:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ls-contained-info-above-top-secret-ig-n499886

As to the CONTENT of those, well we'll never know since they refuse to even release redacted copies of at least 22 of her top secret emails.....Someday they may be declassified and released, but all of us arguing about this stuff will be worm food by then.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/29/politics/state-department-to-release-clinton-emails/
 
Here it is from NBC news:
So, I read this link and what it says is four things:
.....#1 "nothing has emerged that contradicts what Hillary Clinton is saying"
.....#2 it says that the documents/e-mails in question were probably sent to her, not her sending them out.
.....#3 Charles McCullough refuses to identify the source of this "rumor"
.....#4 Fox News is quarterbacking this story

Now, I'm not denying sensitive material might have ended up on her server ... I'm just saying PROVE she did something illegal.
 
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