So, what's your thoughts about the Donald now? Just curious. I'll say one thing, the man is entertaining. I hope he lasts at least to the end of the year. His ego's almost as big at Torpedo's.
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Trump 2016 Or Hillary?
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.... "Nice ole doggy" , the latest, too ... 2012. Sure you couldn't have picked up something further back, say the day after inauguration or maybe late 2010 for more dramatics? Maybe even have gone back to the late 1920's, found a chart and slapped Obama's name on it. Earth to Torp ... it's August, 2015 now ... anything, say, uhhhh even near 2014 or later?You get a
on this one, you egotistical ole man, but only for the source! 
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A little more up to date? According to the DOL data released in March of this year, that would be 2015 Mac. Work ******* participation has been stuck between 62.7% and 62.95 for the eleven months from April 2014 through February 2015. At the time of the data release in March 2015 the participation rate had been 62.9% or lower for 13 of the last 17 months. The last time it was that it was below 63% was back in March 1978, as I recall Jimmy Carter was president then. Newer data isn't painting your hero in any better light.
Actually, here is the chart I'm sure you wish you could have found, since you're so insistent on using the U6 because of it conveniently dramatizing your argument of real unemployment.
The U-3 has been used for as long as I can recall; its the same one used for Nixon-Bush II. So you can't conveniently use one or the other measure when that measure benefits YOU in proving/making your biased comments. Is the U-6 more accurate or real? Yes, I imagine it is. But your tone of comments indicate that the Obama administration is somehow fabricating a hoax or spins the statistics for his benefit. The Obama administration just uses the same measure every other administration has used.
I believe you still refuse to admit the dynamic of the Great Recession that this country just had ... 800,000 jobs being lost each month in the last few months of the "W's presidency. The labor market is taking on a whole new change for several reasons which impact the "real" numbers you wish to point out, but do not reveal:
The fact is, the Republican congress has done everything they conceivably can to make Obama fail; just about everyone, except you, will admit this. You fault him for lack of jobs and pay, when the obstructionists to his initiatives
to fix these things were/are obstructed by the very party you seem to support. Come on ... 300+ filibusters to one President?
The fact is, the indicators that are suppose to be going down or up to indicate an improving economy are doing just that ...
Again, notice a CURRENT CHART.
The U-3 has been used for as long as I can recall; its the same one used for Nixon-Bush II. So you can't conveniently use one or the other measure when that measure benefits YOU in proving/making your biased comments. Is the U-6 more accurate or real? Yes, I imagine it is. But your tone of comments indicate that the Obama administration is somehow fabricating a hoax or spins the statistics for his benefit. The Obama administration just uses the same measure every other administration has used.
I believe you still refuse to admit the dynamic of the Great Recession that this country just had ... 800,000 jobs being lost each month in the last few months of the "W's presidency. The labor market is taking on a whole new change for several reasons which impact the "real" numbers you wish to point out, but do not reveal:
- 1st wave of babyboomers are starting to retire (some took early retirement after finding a job market with age based discrimination)
- ACA enabled a lot of people to quit jobs or change to part-time jobs rather than pursue jobs with companies providing health benefits
- People who decided to stay home to take care of children
The fact is, the Republican congress has done everything they conceivably can to make Obama fail; just about everyone, except you, will admit this. You fault him for lack of jobs and pay, when the obstructionists to his initiatives
to fix these things were/are obstructed by the very party you seem to support. Come on ... 300+ filibusters to one President?
The fact is, the indicators that are suppose to be going down or up to indicate an improving economy are doing just that ...
Again, notice a CURRENT CHART.
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Nice chart Mac. I am not seeing anything particularly note worthy about the U-6 rates. And you don't seem to be addressing the flat wages that aren't keeping up with inflation. Or the health care cost increases that the most insurers are asking for 2016.
As to what is included in the workforce numbers that is really irrelevant to the current argument. The same factors have been included since the government started doing this. The methodology hasn't changed. The bottom line is the smallest percentage of the available workforce since Jimmy Carter is currently employed. Keep trying Mac.
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He does still seem to be doing well in the polls
WhiteGuyintoThis
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I'm honestly trying to keep up with your constant flow of questions that seem to keep you from becoming involved in explanations, yourself. So, now our topics are Income Inequality & Health Care. We've run over the ACA/Obamacare thing like a dead cat, and our conversations about that just get flatter and flatter ... neither one willing to give an inch on it. My only comment regarding it, therefore, is to say that the rate increase the carriers are ASKING for is not the rate increase the carriers are going to get. The whole ACA rate thing falls under justifying rates by the percentage of claims paid under the plans ... thus the 80/20 and 85/15 rules apply. Those rules have, thus far, refunded over $3 billion of health insurance premiums back to policy owners in the past 2 years. Insurers are just now realizing they can't justify a 25% increase if the percentage of claims paid out fall below the rule they are under. Also, the healthcare providers are adjusting their service charges to standardize the industry ... all this is occurring because of ACA, so our seeing true results of the ACA may take a few more years, but the fact is, the health industry is adjusting and eventually, when most all citizens are covered under a plan, the risk to the carriers will be much more spread out, and anti-selection will be lessened as well. There's a tremendous healthcare "learning curve" that needs to take place with the general public; what it is, how it works, how to read coverage &statements, etc.
That said, from what I am reading in my industry journals, we should expect rate increases in the 10-20% a range.
I'm glad the "flat wages" topic came up for discussion. I've done some in depth researching & reading with my spare time to justify my comments to this topic. I still don't have time to elaborate here, now, but I'll be adding information. Although, visually, the implementation of Reagan's "Trickle Down" have accelerated income inequality, the culprit is a bit deaper than that. I just finished reading the report "Capitalism In paradigm shift" and the explanation of the global economy. Here are just a few of the interesting observations that said "free market capitalism is gone:
- The Technology Revolution we are in has impacted society in much a similar way as the Industrial Revolution of the early 20th century ... dramatic changes in human knowledge & skills, method of accumulating wealth & assets, social disruptions such as unemployment, bankruptcy and depressions.
- Just as the Industrial Revolution multiplied the power of the muscle, the Technology Revolution multiplies the power of knowledge & information. Those adjusting and mastering to this new revolution are the ones benefiting first, but the course of the economy is following a similar path of development.
- Computers & telecommunications have changed the type and function of capitalism.
- Shareholder capitalism has replaced Management capitalism ... with boards pressuring CEOs to maximize shareholder's gains and push for short term profits.
- The drastic lowering of the corporate taxes of the past resulted in companies quit investing in employee incomes and company development to avoid the taxes, and instead paying out huge bonuses, golden parachutes and remuneration packages instead of investing back into their companies. The argument of taxes discouraging businesses to grow in the US was proven false and an example of that was Kansas, who has no business income taxes but still has one of the highest unemployments. When the tax was a 90% rate, few businesses paid because they invested profits on employees and business needs.
Gotta run ... later.
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They're both idiots. Trump is an arrogant pompous ass who will bring nothing but disgrace to the presidency. The era of bulldog politics ended with that racist Roosevelt and US diplomacy cant afford to have racist Trump at the helm. Oh seems they both have that in common. Hillary is undercover racist and completely useless. The choices available at the moment are both sad and scary. God save us everyone!!!
mary anne
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so you want slaves but you call other people racist....funny
Please expand your comment & examples of their racism?
And do you feel that there is any reverse-racism on this site?
Obama has been in office 6 years, just how long are you going to blame "trickle down"? I am seeing quite a bit of "trickle up poverty". Home ownership has been steadily dropping for the last 8 years it hasn't been this low for about 20 years. July layoffs were at a 4 year high. These are not signs of a healthy economy
Not that I like either of them, but I'm with Mac in that I'd like to hear how these two are racist.
I'm the same way, bm ... Trump seems to be a train wreck for everyone, and I'm with the Clintons the same as I am with the Bush's ... I'm ready for someone fresh and unspoiled by the bureaucrat establishment.
Bernie Sanders seems to have the message people are interested in discussing, and the Republicans are already starting to include "income inequality" in their speeches. Its going to be interesting to see how the majority of the Republican GOP candidates address the topic. Rubio has already said he'd "cut taxes for corporations" and "get government out of the way"; just a fresh way of saying "trickle down", but then after being against having a minimum wage, or minimum wage increase, and being for the "right to work" state, it doesn't give them a whole lot of solutions other than Supply Side, and Bernie's doing a good job of crushing that old idea. I just hope Bernie can find the money to stay in the game.
Bill Maher has previously called businessman Donald Trump a racist for some of his criticism of President Barack Obama, and he was pressed on that claim by Larry King in an interview set to air Tuesday afternoon on Hulu.com.
So is Donald Trump a racist? Not an overt one. As he has said many times, ‘The black people love me.’ ‘The blacks love me.’ And, by the way, they love being called ‘the blacks,’ also. So he’s one of those racists who doesn’t know he’s a racist, but yes, he is.”
He is establishing himself as the poster adolescent for the segment of the American public that just can't, or won't, accept that the country is no longer run entirely by rich white men like him. In the hateful campaign to define President Barack Obama as "other" in some way—absurd insistences that he is Muslim, not American, or a socialist—Donald trumps the crowd.
Also of comfort are Trump’s business partners who kicked him to the curb rather than be associated with his rank remarks. What’s sad is that despite such overt racism and intemperate remarks, Trump is polling well among Republican Party primary voters.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/81920.html#ixzz3ichu2rci
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs...donald-trumps-racist-hassling-of-barack-obama
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/07/06/no-one-has-to-like-donald-trump/
http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/08/media/trump-jonathan-capehart-real-racist/index.html
Hillary Clinton’s 2008 campaign has always been criticized for its sleight of hand racism and her determination to secure white votes and encourage black voters not to vote in favor of Obama out of racial solidarity. This is nothing new her campaign attempted to identify the president as a Muslim sympathizer and connote images of him as an undercover terrorist agent, anti white, anti American, anti Christian, and someone to be suspicious of. All of which are noted in her approach to his endorsement by Minister Farrakhan the 1960s notion of pro-black meaning anti white. The truth is it has been eight years since Clinton has engaged in a racial smear campaign and Americans have simply forgotten about her antics. Likewise, the issue of role race in the 2008 presidential campaign which was constantly in play at the time is a distant memory.
“Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s statement that “Senator Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again” is a backhanded use of the race card. It’s also a fallacy. Now is the time for Mrs. Clinton to realize that both logic and justice demand that she start unifying the Democratic Party rather than continuing to divide it along racial lines.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/10/opinion/l10elect.html?_r=0
…the Clinton camp resorted to increasingly blatant race- and Muslim-baiting. … [Obama] who responded with repeated reassurances that he did not ask for the [Farrakhan] endorsement, did not accept it, and in fact was not a deranged anti-Semite. That wasn't enough for Clinton, who demanded that Obama "denounce" Farrakhan, which he did. There several articles that speak to the issue of race and Clinton’s use of both indirect and direct racism in her campaign. Likewise, she never publicly denounced Geraldine Ferraro’s racist statement against Obama despite the fact that she insisted he denounce Farrakhan’s endorsement of the president in which the minister made no comments racial or otherwise. It seems there is some truth concerning the racist undertones in her politics and previous campaign practices.
http://theweek.com/articles/567774/hillary-clinton-needs-address-racist-undertones-2008-campaign
…the image of the Clinton campaign sowing racial discord did bubble to the surface following a series of comments made this past week.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clint_n_81205.html
In grim times, a bitter Hillary clings to bitter voters who in grim times supposedly cling to guns, religion and antipathy to people who aren’t like them. Mining that antipathy, the New York senator has been working hard to get the hard-working white voters of hardscrabble Appalachia so she can show that a black man can’t yet be elected president.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/opinion/14dowd-1.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/us/politics/19obama.html?pagewanted=2
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/13/skin-deep-resentment/
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/13/us/politics/13dems.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/08/weekinreview/08mabry.html?_r=0
http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/08/media/trump-jonathan-capehart-real-racist/index.html
The term sub or slave is in no way comparable to Atlantic World Slavery. Slavery as it is know in the Americas was an economic system of exploitation in which non whites were sold and owned as property to enrich white society. This is not the case in a D/s or BDSM based relationship or activity where those involved define the way they will interact and what is off limits. At best it is a deviant relationship between people who don't want a Archie and Betty vanilla relationship. Most of all it is consensual and ordered, those involved are will participants no matter what their role in the dynamic is. Most importantly is in no way race based slavery.
....Dom, I could probably take a similar position regarding the recent squabblings over the Confederate flag. My family had 3 members who died fighting for the Confederacy, but the Confederate flag they fought under didn't have the same meaning as the meaning it later come to represent. Certainly none of them owned slaves or even worked for anyone who did own slaves. Still, because of what it came to represent, later, most Southerners, agree that the displaying of that flag really has no place in our current society. I personally get sick to my stomach when I see it displayed along side a Nazi swastika flag or sign.
....Regardless, the word slavery still carries a negative expression of one's unjust power over another. If slavery never existed in this country, and was never a issue, would it be used in discussions and role playing today? I think not. Or, because of our slave history, if the roles, here, were reversed and it was white posters discussing owning blacks, putting leashes & various bondages to black posters, would you and others not be offended of that type of roleplaying, knowing of its disgraceful history? And if it is wrong or offensive to one group, should it not be considered offensive and wrong to everyone?
....The goal of our society should be to lay down & discard these old ways and expressions, and look upon each other as people, not white people or black people. I've simply been appalled by the amount of racism that has surfaced by seemingly professional, educated people ever since Obama become President. I'm ashamed of some of the labelings and comments that have surfaced; racism didn't disappear, it has simply been painted over, suppressed, and whispered. It's ugly head is showing up, again, in many facets of our society, from the quality of schools, our law enforcement, courts, etc. No blatant signs like "Whites Only" need be displayed, but its there.
....If one uses it here, its likely being used because of one's own suppressed issues with past slavery, whether it be a white's guilt and shame, or a black's hate and desire for reparation. One shouldn't be given a free ride simply because they say it is fantasy or role play. Calling it roleplay or fantasy is just an excuse to express one's own feeling about something. So, I"m not giving either race a free ride ... racism exists on both sides, and it is our young people who need to step up and call these old bigots for what they are ... dividers. We simply have to move on from our past. If nothing else was accomplished by Obama's election, it was uncovering the racism that has still not been dealt with and resolved.
....Regardless, the word slavery still carries a negative expression of one's unjust power over another. If slavery never existed in this country, and was never a issue, would it be used in discussions and role playing today? I think not. Or, because of our slave history, if the roles, here, were reversed and it was white posters discussing owning blacks, putting leashes & various bondages to black posters, would you and others not be offended of that type of roleplaying, knowing of its disgraceful history? And if it is wrong or offensive to one group, should it not be considered offensive and wrong to everyone?
....The goal of our society should be to lay down & discard these old ways and expressions, and look upon each other as people, not white people or black people. I've simply been appalled by the amount of racism that has surfaced by seemingly professional, educated people ever since Obama become President. I'm ashamed of some of the labelings and comments that have surfaced; racism didn't disappear, it has simply been painted over, suppressed, and whispered. It's ugly head is showing up, again, in many facets of our society, from the quality of schools, our law enforcement, courts, etc. No blatant signs like "Whites Only" need be displayed, but its there.
....If one uses it here, its likely being used because of one's own suppressed issues with past slavery, whether it be a white's guilt and shame, or a black's hate and desire for reparation. One shouldn't be given a free ride simply because they say it is fantasy or role play. Calling it roleplay or fantasy is just an excuse to express one's own feeling about something. So, I"m not giving either race a free ride ... racism exists on both sides, and it is our young people who need to step up and call these old bigots for what they are ... dividers. We simply have to move on from our past. If nothing else was accomplished by Obama's election, it was uncovering the racism that has still not been dealt with and resolved.
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There is some merit in you analogy. There are those who identify with slavery in that regard. in my mind I don't make that assessment. It may be that the D/s community may need an adjustment of sorts or be more conscious of the misuse of terminology. I surely do not associate term slavery in the D/s world with an unjust power over another since it is supposed to be a relationship or activity agreed upon by both parties. Nor do I advocate its use in that manner. That is surely not what it's meant to be. Bit like all things the term can be manipulated to serve the unintended agenda of those with harmful intent. One would think that the democratic nature of such a relationship would cause it to be viewed differently. But there is much relevance to the notion that the old baggage associated with the institution has a resonance that is unavoidable. But to accuse someone of engaging in a racist activity due to the nature of the terminology intended to identify a type of submissive in D/s is an erroneous assumption that is unjust as well. That could be said of everyone here but that too would surely not be the case for the most part.
....You really need to let your sub conscious thoughts speak ... that's where we hide our most secret & sensitive thoughts. You need to ask your sub consciousness "why do I like the slave fantasy or dom fantasy over a white female?" ... not asking you relate it here, just to yourself. This is where all the racism is buried, and if its properly provoked, THEN it comes to the surface for others to see. Sort of like cross-examining a guilty person on the witness stand until they finally break with anger and admit the crime.
....That's a big part as to why all this anger is going on with the recent black male shootings by cops ... and both sides are starting to let it out. It really needs to come out ... to admit it, address it, then start reasoning with it. I've really been watching all that's happening with great interest, because the nation is trying to come to terms with it now, and its pretty painful, and pretty embarrassing as well.
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