BigWhite69
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Killing someone should never be a legal means to an end... People always have a chance to be redeemed.
Okay, so if someone murders your family then you want them to have a second chance?
Killing someone should never be a legal means to an end... People always have a chance to be redeemed.
easyuk, of course its not ok. But my point was, there is a margin of error in everything we do that has meaning to us, and as a society we have to weigh the value of an individual against the value of a much larger number ... remember Spock in the Star Trek Wrath Of Khan "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or one".That's not how the law stands though is it? So, if the state gets it wrong is that OK?
Oh, i'm for the Death Penalty.I've been reading these posts and what really gets me with the Anti Death Penalty people is they can't get the facts stated to them. Its like they are not listening. Macnfries keeps saying "If it is 100% certain" and gets a reply "Mistakes are made." Kenneth McDuff was on Death Row before it was abolished the first time then years later they let him out and he kills 7 or 8 more women, and the reply is "If he is in prison for life then he won't commit the murders". IT HAD ALREADY HAPPENED. Someone on here said the anti death penalty people are just like the religious fanatics. They have an answer for everything and don't care about the facts.
easyuk, of course its not ok. But my point was, there is a margin of error in everything we do that has meaning to us, and as a society we have to weigh the value of an individual against the threat to a much larger number ... remember Spock in the Star Trek "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or one".
That is why I specifically pointed out, above, that IF the evidence was 100%, would you agree with a death penalty? If your answer is still an empathic NO, then there is no use even discussing the issue with believers of the death sentence, as you present no opportunity for "middle ground" solutions. However, I will stick with my bet that if-when the situation personally impacts you or a member of your family, your opinion will change. Too many courts and judges have proven the majority here right to chance any other solution with the "worst of the worse" predators.
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easyuk, you're playing politician on me, here. You're refusing to answer the question direct, but instead, responding with more questions and ridiculous statements. I started to break your last post down into segments to give you precise answers, then I just realize (with your 7 new questions) that you're only playing dodge ball with this topic anyway. So, there's no getting a straight answer from you. I won't badger you for a response as I only frustrate myself.
In general, the majority of the public wants capital punishment; not as a deterrent to these criminals, but as a method of prevention from them. Its a simple moral argument in which you choose to feel taking a criminal's life doesn't accomplish anything that a long incarceration wouldn't do. And many, like yourself, feel that invoking a death sentence is more expensive than a life of incarceration (which has been proven true), but we can thank our current judicial system for the generous, unlimited rights to appeals granted these losers.
I have a concern, as you, with accidently putting an innocent person to death, which is why the death sentence should only be used sparingly and in situations where there is a high level of evidence, like the Boston Marathon bomber, Tsarnaev, who currently sits in his cell under observation, as an unrepentive killer, throwing middle fingers at the camera while smiling. Society needs to be permanently rid of such unrehabilitatable criminals, otherwise, they inspire more to follow him with his books, comments, interviews, and acts of martyrdom. No appeals, no second trials, no nothing ... caught on camera, he's 100% guilty, and should be lead to a public guillotine, beheaded ... swiftly, inexpensively, and without the margin of error of a needle, and his corpse disposed of privately in an unmarked grave.
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When was the last vote on the death penalty, out of interest?
Does anyone know why this is a state law but a federal crime?
I am a liberal and I am black. So most of you will be shocked to know I am for the Death Penalty. I won't argue the points that they have been arguing for years so i'll just leave it up to a poll to find out what some of you think.
I'm for it and I don't find the need to explain myself to anti death penalty people so don't ask me why.
Interesting.I think escape proof incarceration is feasible. The message we should be giving is that killing isn't OK. I haven't seen any evidence that it has any deterrent effect, it seems that the states that have capital punishment also have the highest ******* rates. I have a concealed carry permit and I have no problem shooting someone that threatens my life. I don't have the right to go ******* anyone that poses no immediate threat. I don't think society should either. People that need to be removed from society should be removed and put safely away. Other than minimal life support there is no need to educate or amuse them because they aren't returning to society.
I think escape proof incarceration is feasible. The message we should be giving is that killing isn't OK. I haven't seen any evidence that it has any deterrent effect, it seems that the states that have capital punishment also have the highest ******* rates. I have a concealed carry permit and I have no problem shooting someone that threatens my life. I don't have the right to go ******* anyone that poses no immediate threat. I don't think society should either. People that need to be removed from society should be removed and put safely away. Other than minimal life support there is no need to educate or amuse them because they aren't returning to society.