Advice... if your husband is simply not into it.

Hey listen, I am so sorry for what happened, and have said I feel really bad about it now. I know I treated Tom really badly. Hands up, I am guilty. I admit I was a bad person. Okay?

The good news is that Jamaal probably won't go after Tom again. Tom has a job and the chance to make a new life for himself, which is all good for Tom.

Also, I think I described what happened pretty well, so that is another positive thing that my writing is improving.
 
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Hi all

This is quite an important topic for me and I need some advice. Has anyone ever been in a relationship where the wife or girlfriend wanted to play around with black guys but the husband or boyfriend put his foot down and said no? I don’t want to end the marriage. It’s too complicated and there is too much at stake but I really want to expand our horizons and I am sure that he will not be into the idea at all.

The black guy I am dating suggested that we all go out for a ******* together and “lay it on the line” to my husband. That is, my husband can either be enthusiastic or incur my boyfriend’s wrath, But I don’t want any conflict, and want to settle things by talking to my husband, without ay outside intervention. But I am at a loss what to say to him.Any advice would be welcome
My 2 cents:

Any idiot that threatens your marriage with violence should be dumped in the spot!!!

You want to expand horizons and your husband doesn't agree, them is about choices; marriage or divorce.
 
Actually something else happened that night, which I did not participate in so it wasn’t really anything to do with me. But Jamaal had some time alone with Tom later. I really don’t know what happened, and don’t want to know either actually.

But later, Jamaal made Tom call me at the hotel and say some other stuff to me, like apologies and stuff. Anyway, I wrote about that too, but won’t post it. You have probably heard enough from me already lol
 
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Hey listen, I am so sorry for what happened, and have said I feel really bad about it now. I know I treated Tom really badly. Hands up, I am guilty. I admit I was a bad person. Okay?

The good news is that Jamaal probably won't go after Tom again. Tom has a job and the chance to make a new life for himself, which is all good for Tom.

Also, I think I described what happened pretty well, so that is another positive thing that my writing is improving.

I am sorry. I don't buy you "feelings of guilt".

You were concerned FAR more about your dress than you were about another human being, even forgetting the fact this guy was your husband who you loved at one point and had sworn to love for the rest of your life. I understand people grow and change and fall out of love, but they don't become *******.

Finally, you had multiple opportunities to control the situation and at least let Tom get out of there hurt, but with a shred of his dignity in place and you could have cared less. You allowed, and even helped jamaal to give him a complete beat down. And worst of all, you chose to go ahead with it even though Tom had finally started to turn around his life and had gotten himself a job. You didn't have to "diss" jamaal when he started in on Tom, but you sure as hell could have given him a look to say "Knock it the hell off and grow up! You already won me. What the hell is the point of grinding Tom into dust?"

IF your story is real, and that is a big if, both you and jamaal deserve each other and are pathetic excuses for human beings. If it is not real, like I said, see a shrink.

And to be honest, after what you did to him, I would be very surprised to find out that Tom still has his new job or that he is not swinging from the end of a rope at his own hand.

Again, disgusting.

Sorry if I am harsh (well, no, actually I am not). I just know what it is like to watch your life walk out the door. And then to add all the crap you and jamaal threw on top of it? Too much. I don't know what rose colored glasses you are looking at jamaal with, but he is a piece of shite as a human being.
 
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Actually, he still has the job but it turns out it's a thing called a zero hours contract where you have no minimum hours, and that's not really what he was looking for.

But anyway, I knew I would get some negative comments and I guess this is one of them lol. But forgetting all the negativity, do you think that I have a good writing style?
 
Actually, he still has the job but it turns out it's a thing called a zero hours contract where you have no minimum hours, and that's not really what he was looking for.

But anyway, I knew I would get some negative comments and I guess this is one of them lol. But forgetting all the negativity, do you think that I have a good writing style?

UN-FRICK'N-BELIEVABLE!!!!! This is EXACTLY what I mean! You just destroyed a man's life and you are more concerned with what I think of your writing style?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Reactions like this make me think this story is total bullshite, which will piss me off and which means you need serious therapy.

Lady, no. I won't call you lady. It demeans true ladies. Get a blasted clue and get some help!
 
Rachel while reading the comments from falcondfw69 I was wondering why would someone feel such a need to judge you about this especially on a site that is very much an alternative lifestyle type site. Then the mystery was over when he/she stated that they were in this situation before.

Falcondfw69, I'm sorry for you for having been a Tom before. You do however need to open your thoughts up to the fact that you are on a site that is promoting an alternative lifestyle and people get into that lifestyle for different reasons.
 
Rachel while reading the comments from falcondfw69 I was wondering why would someone feel such a need to judge you about this especially on a site that is very much an alternative lifestyle type site. Then the mystery was over when he/she stated that they were in this situation before.

Falcondfw69, I'm sorry for you for having been a Tom before. You do however need to open your thoughts up to the fact that you are on a site that is promoting an alternative lifestyle and people get into that lifestyle for different reasons.

Exactly. Thank you for your succinct and to-the-point comment. Actually, most of the negativity has come from white men. I wonder why lol.
 
Rachel while reading the comments from falcondfw69 I was wondering why would someone feel such a need to judge you about this especially on a site that is very much an alternative lifestyle type site. Then the mystery was over when he/she stated that they were in this situation before.

Falcondfw69, I'm sorry for you for having been a Tom before. You do however need to open your thoughts up to the fact that you are on a site that is promoting an alternative lifestyle and people get into that lifestyle for different reasons.

*******, you picked the wrong day to lecture me.

Get it through your head. 1. Rachel cheated, THEN chose to tell Tom there were problems. 2. She is more concerned with her writing style and her dress than the fact she just crushed a man's life 3. She wasn't just satisfied with that, she then proceeded to bring her boyfriend over to humiliate him. 4. She was the one who said her leaving him would crush him. She knew this, but she continued to do it anyway. 5. She could have backed jamaal off MANY times, but she chose not to and even chose to help him humiliate Tom. 6. She let the ass (jamaal) threaten HER HUSBAND with physical violence. Personally, I would have told him to take the first shot at me and after I beat his ass (I fight dirty, to win), I would have had BOTH of them thrown in the hoosegow as instigators and filed divorce papers in the morning. 7. After all my comments, instead of thinking about them, she asks me how I like her writing style?

Are you just clueless? Or just stupidly in lust with the avatar?
Personally, after looking back on her reactions and what she has posted, I am now totally convinced the entire story is a bunch of cow pockies. If this story is not a bunch of crap, then rachel is morally bankrupt, cannot honor her commitments, is EXTREMELY selfish and arrogant, and could care less for people who are around her. I may be a judgemental asshole, but I can only go by what people post.
 
Rachel while reading the comments from falcondfw69 I was wondering why would someone feel such a need to judge you about this especially on a site that is very much an alternative lifestyle type site. Then the mystery was over when he/she stated that they were in this situation before.

Falcondfw69, I'm sorry for you for having been a Tom before. You do however need to open your thoughts up to the fact that you are on a site that is promoting an alternative lifestyle and people get into that lifestyle for different reasons.

I appreciate the sympathy, but I don't need it. That was 7 years ago and I am over it and honestly, it is most definitely for the best. I have someone FAAAARRRRR better than my ex-wife now.

I just hate people who promise all kinds of crap and then when it comes time to honor their promise, they say "Just Kidding!"

As for opening my mind, *******, I have been on here for many years. My avatar and profile are inaccurate, because I have had a computer die and a hard drive crash and I have had to recreate my account several times. Ask BM_from_Southjersey, Macnfries, willsrvu, dsoul, or blackmeat. They all know how long I have been here. I left for a while and returned. My reasons for being here are my own and NUNYA.

Like I said, wrong day to call me out. Especially over this.
 
You wonder why? You can't seriously be that stupid.
YOU HAVE NO MORALS OR HONOR!!!!! That is why.

Wow, if you are mad with me now, it's a good job you don't know what I made Tom say to me on the phone, when he was with Jamaal. I may post it later but I think you might blow a gasket lol. (Actually I made him give me another apology for the dress).

But I think you underestimate my intelligence. I recognise that I projected my guilt over Tom's treatment into anger over my DVF dress. That is one of the reasons why I was so mad with Tom, it wasn't all the dress, it was also my own guilt. And I do feel guilty.

As for having no morals or honour, that is simply not true. Last year I attended a large number of charity events, and the fashion industry which I belong to has done much to help victims of abuse and AIDS for example.
 
Wow, if you are mad with me now, it's a good job you don't know what I made Tom say to me on the phone, when he was with Jamaal. I may post it later but I think you might blow a gasket lol. (Actually I made him give me another apology for the dress).

But I think you underestimate my intelligence. I recognise that I projected my guilt over Tom's treatment into anger over my DVF dress. That is one of the reasons why I was so mad with Tom, it wasn't all the dress, it was also my own guilt. And I do feel guilty.

As for having no morals or honour, that is simply not true. Last year I attended a large number of charity events, and the fashion industry which I belong to has done much to help victims of abuse and AIDS for example.

so did barack obama
 
Jamaal said he wanted a “little discussion” with Tom before he came back to the hotel room with me. Just Tom and Jamaal, I wasn’t invited. I must admit, I was a little upset about that, as I was hoping that Jamaal would come straight back to the hotel and fuck me.

Anyway, that’s how it ended up. We all left the bar. I took Tom’s car to me and Jamaal’s hotel room and Jamaal drove Tom drove back to our house in his car. It’s actually a really nice car, Jamaal’s car, that is, the kind that the roof comes down. I think Jamaal’s car is a Mercedes. Ours is a Fiat, which I may allow Tom to keep after I divorce him.

Anyway, back at the hotel, I was a little worried about what might happen to Tom alone with Jamaal. I thought I should call the house to check if Tom was okay. But then I remembered those words about the black man’s bitch shouldn’t go against the black man. I thought about it for some time, and then realized that I didn’t want to go against Jamaal.

Actually, I’m glad I had one of Jamaal’s used workout T-shirts in my handbag. So instead of calling the house, I just lay there on the hotel bed and started playing with myself and breathing in Jamaal’s sweat from his last workout. Jamaal works out every day to keep himself in good shape and his sweat smells really good.

So I was dressed only in slut heels and rubbing Jamaal’s T-shirt on my hot body when the phone rang, and I was surprised to hear Tom’s voice. “Hello, Tom?” I said. “Are you OK?”

I was suddenly a bit concerned about him again (but not quite enough to stop masturbating lol). Actually, I was really in a bit of a hot sweat thinking of Jamaal’s body, strength and aggression, and I didn’t want my train of thought to be broken by Tom.

Then, for a moment I wondered if Jamaal’s scent had somehow skewed my reasoning in some way, like the black man’s scent was making me prioritize the wrong things or something.

“Rachel, I have something to tell you” Tom said softly. He sounded okay, but just really sad and deflated.

“Oh, what’s that Tom. Are you okay?” I said

There was a pause and I heard Jamaal’s voice in the background whispering something.

“Err…..you deserve better that a limp dick sissy bitch white boy like me” Tom said.

I couldn’t believe what I just heard! But really I couldn’t help giggling too it was just sooooo funny. Jamaal must have made him say it, I thought.

“What was that Tom? I said. “I can’t hear you. The line is bad”. Actually, I wanted to hear him say it again lol

“You deserve better that a limp dick sissy bitch white boy like me” he said, a little louder. “I’m just a limp dick sissy bitch white boy”

“You really mean that Tom? That’s nice” I said.

I must have been on speakerphone because then I heard Jamaal laughing loudly and I couldn’t help giggling some more myself. Then I put Tom on speakerphone in the hotel , then went back to playing with myself.

There was some more noise in the background, I heard Jamaal’s voice again. Then Tom said “Rachel, I want you to be Jamaal’s bitch”

“Really Tom?” I said “Say that again, I didn’t hear you”

“I, uh, I want you to be Jamaal’s bitch”

I felt like, really nasty, playing with myself and getting off on Tom’s humiliation.

“Do you really mean that, Tom, you’re not just saying that?” I said

“Rachel, uh, no I really want you to be Jamaal’s bitch”

“Really Tom? Say it again”

“I want you to be Jamaal’s bitch”

I heard Jamaal whispering something again. Then I heard a sharp crack and a yowl of pain from Tom.

“What are you doing to him Jamaal” I said but Jamaal didn’t hear me as he was whispering to Tom again.

Actually, I was never quite sure what Jamaal did to Tom, at least physically. When I asked him later, Jamaal said that he “whapped his ass”. At first I thought that he had actually taken a belt to his ass or something. But then I realized that “whapped his ass”” can mean all kind of things in a black man’s parlance.

“Rachel, I won’t ever try to touch your hot body ever again” Tom said. Actually, I thought I heard a little sob when he said that. I think maybe poor Tom had a flashback of how hot I looked in the bar that night. And now I was out of bounds lol

In retrospect I think my logic in humiliating Tom was a little skewed. But you know what, I was still really mad with Tom as it looked like the dress was definitely ruined. I had examined it at the hotel after I took it off.

Also, I think somehow Jamaal’s scent led me away from any real concerns about what Jamaal was doing to Tom. I simply lived in the moment, like Jamaal says we all should do sometimes. This was just Jamaal’s way of establishing his dominance over my husband, I thought, and the idea about not going against the black man’s wishes was still fresh my mind.

Actually, I wanted Jamaal so bad, I thought, I naturally wouldn’t want to displease him and risk not getting fucked by him.
 
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“Tom” I said. “Put me on to Jamaal.”

When Jamaal came on the line I told him I was really getting off masturbating to Tom’s mental beatdown and to carry on making Tom say more things like he has a tiny dick and he’s an ugly bitch loser and more stuff like that. Then I heard Tom going “Noooooo”.

For a moment I was mortified. I had forgotten that the phone had been left on speakerphone and Tom had just heard every word I just said. Oh *******, that might just tip him over the edge of reason, I thought, and then I giggled. You must admit, it was kind of funny.

“Tell her black men are superior and you got a tiny dick” Jamaal said.”You want me to whap your ass again boy?

There was a silence, then of course Tom said it.

That signaled the start of a liturgy of words that Jamaal made Tom say about how black men are the best, white men are inferior, he’s a sissy bitch, all that kind of degrading stuff that you hear in a certain type of porn. Jamaal wasn’t too imaginative to be honest, but he made Tom bitch talk about himself for ages as I played with myself. I don’t know what Jamaal was doing to him but Tom kept yowling in pain too. Was Jamaal caning or belting Tom’s ass, I wondered again? Actually, that would be so nasty I thought.

Then I had a good idea. Tom should apologize for my dress once again, I thought. Given that it was almost ruined. Actually, I was proud of myself for such a good idea. Some people say I am full of good ideas.

I had checked and Tom had also ripped the hem with his horrible grabby hands so it was even more ruined.

I know it sounds bitchy now, but actually I thought Tom’s previous apology wasn’t anywhere good enough for ruining such an expensive DVF dress. Don’t ask why, but it made sense to me at the time that Tom should give a better apology and actually, Jamaal agreed with me.
 
“Make him say sorry for my dress again Jamaal” I said

And guess what? This time Tom’s apology was soooo much better.

All credit to Jamaal, he really made Tom put everything he had into this, his second dress apology of the evening. Actually, Jamaal made Tom give the best dress apology any hot fashion girl could ever wish for. And just think, Jamaal made him do it just for me. Actually, I think it lasted almost half an hour. Jamaal also really whapped Tom’s ass all the time he was apologizing, which was also super hot and made me feel all warm inside.

By the time the apology ended, Tom was in no doubt at all how much the dress was worth and what it meant to me. I even made him learn some new fashion terms so he could apologise in different ways .

Who would have thought that just hours after leaving work that day I would be cumming hard with my face buried in Jamaal’s sweaty T shirt listening to Tom saying “I am a stupid clumsy sissy bitch for ruining your dress that debuted in Fall 2013 during New York Fashion Week” on speakerphone lol. Crazy days for this girl to say the least.

In between his statements, Tom was yowling like a girl. I fantasized about big strong Jamaal whapping Tom’s ass with a cane to make sure he apologized to this hot fashion girl right. Thinking about it, maybe Jamaal really was caning Tom’s ass. But I wasn’t there so I don’t know.

“Really punish him for ruining my ruining my dress Jamaal” I said into the speakerphone and Tom yowled again. Eventually I had a second orgasm listening to Tom’s yelps and yowls. Of course I feel awful now - but at the time it was hot.

Anyway, Tom didn’t even dare disobey Jamaal even after he left for the hotel. Jamaal made the Tom self-humiliation audio show continue for me on my speakerphone as Jamaal drove back to me. It didn’t take him long. Did I mention that Jamaal’s car is really fast? It goes so fast that I am a little scared when Jamaal drives it. But then again, Jamaal is a very confident driver.

Back at the hotel, Jamaal thought that the phone audio was such a good idea that he decided to leave it on so Tom could hear us fuck.

Actually, I was a little worried about the size of Tom’s phone bill. He really complained about the last bill, and made me promise to use it less. But the thing is, my editor is in the USA and I am in England, and sometimes in this industry you just have to swallow the expense of a call. It’s only 2.5p a minute anyway.

But anyway, Tom was still there on the line when Jamaal started power-fucking me, and I didn’t object when Jamaal got me to disrespect Tom yet again and again, this time in the heat of the black power fuck, which is the best thing ever by the way.

Actually, I am very good at vocal sex, especially with black men. I’m telling you. I’m not shy when it comes to sex with black men. Maybe I am good at vocal sex because I am good at writing, Anyway I gave one of my best vocal performances that night, for Tom’s benefit and also for Jamaal’s.

I like to think that Tom might have jerked off to the sound of us fucking while he bitch talked about himself, unable to hang up the phone on Jamaal’s orders.

Well, now I really do feel awful about how things turned out, and am even worried that Tom will file a criminal complaint. Actually, I wondered if “being besotted by a black man’s scent” could even be a real defense in a court of law for a black man’s bitch. It should be, I thought! Actually, I blame it not only on Jamaal’s scent but also my ruined dress.

Ultimately we have both suffered a lot, both Tom and me. I’m sorry that Tom had to go through this thing with Jamaal, but I am a victim too, of course, because I had to witness and participate in it.

Also, guess what? My DVF dress will cost over 200 pounds to repair and fix. Actually I might not even get it fixed and just sacrifice it to Jamaal, because Jamaal says he likes to rip off hot white bitches’ dresses lol.
 
My next comments are assuming this story is true and not just some made up garbage for an essay contest or somebody's wild fantasy. If they are made up, then the author has a seriously twisted mind and should probably seek professional help.

All kinds of things happen in this world, and sometimes the truth really is stranger than fiction. Maybe you think that this is too far-fetched to actually happen. But actually, it does, and it did.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
 
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