Dolores Anne Rollins
Female
It would prove the theory of evolution once and for all.
The Evolution of Interracial Cuckolding
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Dolores Anne Rollins
Female
Survival of the fittest. Big Cole Black Negro Cock beats a little white willie every time. None of the creationists can deny this evidence.
Britwhitecuck
Male
Hi willsrvu again.
Haven't been here for a few weeks so sorry for a slow response.
Regarding believing your dog has the genetic ability to speak English - I suggest you go to your local science teacher and suggest this! Or visit the linguistics department in your local uni - worth it just for the looks you will get! Bacteria can communicate with each other but hell they don't have the genetic ability to speak English! The level of communication possible for dogs, humans and bacteria is different based on their genetic endowment!
Like I said, ask your dog what it intends to do in next Monday or in 46 days time from now - don't just come back and say 'wrong'! Tell us all what your dog has got planned and how it expressed it to you. Your chance for a bit of comedic expression willsrvu.
As for your argument that because an entity (whether it be a black man, white man or kettle) doesn't physically touch you it couldn't have an impact on someones genes it's just wrong! What is vision for (or other senses)?
If you see a tiger running at you you will have an emotional response! What do you think that emotional response is? It's your body reacting to try and save you before you are physically touched. The fight and flight response in which numerous genes are being expressed to increase the release of cortisol and adrenaline to enhance your chances of survival. If you haven't got the genes to react and your likely to be a dead man! This is basic Biology!
There are a high number of men who are interested in cuckoldry (I don't wish it one way or the other) - and I'm interested in the evolutionary reasons for this (I have studied Behaviourism and Evolutionary Theory and believe the latter has more to offer). This can be seen with the rapid growth in cuckoldry videos etc that the porn industry has caught upon. Just because it isn't documented doesn't make it a lie - it's a difficult subject for universities to broach - but they will.
Staggering that you think that interests we develop having nothing to do with genetic endowment. You may as well say that if you put on a lingerie show for a bacterium he may well develop an kink for lingerie.
You mention being homosexual is something you are. Where do you think that came from? Learning? Do not think so! Genes and how they've been expressed. And the evidence is growing all the time.
If you are very clear as to what are the differences between learned and genetic behaviour I suggest you get yourself off this website and down to your local uni as you may be a few steps ahead of science here! Interesting you say natural behaviour too - is that genetic, learned or what?
To state cuckoldry isn't an evolutionary response is just a personal statement and nothing more than that! I'm interested in delving deeper.
As for the Queen I don't give a *******. Interesting though that her hubby's uncle was cuckolded by a black man and Nehru!
I enjoy the subject of interracial cuckoldry but I'm interested in the underlying reasons too.
Haven't been here for a few weeks so sorry for a slow response.
Regarding believing your dog has the genetic ability to speak English - I suggest you go to your local science teacher and suggest this! Or visit the linguistics department in your local uni - worth it just for the looks you will get! Bacteria can communicate with each other but hell they don't have the genetic ability to speak English! The level of communication possible for dogs, humans and bacteria is different based on their genetic endowment!
Like I said, ask your dog what it intends to do in next Monday or in 46 days time from now - don't just come back and say 'wrong'! Tell us all what your dog has got planned and how it expressed it to you. Your chance for a bit of comedic expression willsrvu.
As for your argument that because an entity (whether it be a black man, white man or kettle) doesn't physically touch you it couldn't have an impact on someones genes it's just wrong! What is vision for (or other senses)?
If you see a tiger running at you you will have an emotional response! What do you think that emotional response is? It's your body reacting to try and save you before you are physically touched. The fight and flight response in which numerous genes are being expressed to increase the release of cortisol and adrenaline to enhance your chances of survival. If you haven't got the genes to react and your likely to be a dead man! This is basic Biology!
There are a high number of men who are interested in cuckoldry (I don't wish it one way or the other) - and I'm interested in the evolutionary reasons for this (I have studied Behaviourism and Evolutionary Theory and believe the latter has more to offer). This can be seen with the rapid growth in cuckoldry videos etc that the porn industry has caught upon. Just because it isn't documented doesn't make it a lie - it's a difficult subject for universities to broach - but they will.
Staggering that you think that interests we develop having nothing to do with genetic endowment. You may as well say that if you put on a lingerie show for a bacterium he may well develop an kink for lingerie.
You mention being homosexual is something you are. Where do you think that came from? Learning? Do not think so! Genes and how they've been expressed. And the evidence is growing all the time.
If you are very clear as to what are the differences between learned and genetic behaviour I suggest you get yourself off this website and down to your local uni as you may be a few steps ahead of science here! Interesting you say natural behaviour too - is that genetic, learned or what?
To state cuckoldry isn't an evolutionary response is just a personal statement and nothing more than that! I'm interested in delving deeper.
As for the Queen I don't give a *******. Interesting though that her hubby's uncle was cuckolded by a black man and Nehru!
I enjoy the subject of interracial cuckoldry but I'm interested in the underlying reasons too.
Britwhitecuck
Male
Hey men! Would like to be Kate's cuck!
"Dogs have the genetic ability to communicate with each other and generally learn to do so.
They can also learn basic communication with humans. All of my dogs learned what English I required them to learn and I don't consider that to have been a waste of time. Especially the command to protect."
Where in this did I say my dogs have a genetic ability to speak English?
Having vision, hearing, etc. is genetic. Understanding what you are seeing, hearing smelling, etc and how you act in regard to that information is learned.
If you do not know that a tiger is dangerous, you will have no reason to fear it and run. Flight or fight is an emotional response to perceived danger which is learned. Your body does not produce adrenaline or other chemicals until the brain tells it to based on what it has learned through experience.
As a ch ild, if one experiences other children, pets or inanimate objects approach rapidly and make some sort of painful contact or startle one, this now becomes learned. Seeing a tiger, real or stuffed, a dog, an automobile or anything approaching at a rapid rate will incur an emotional response. This is not genetics, it is learned.
The exact same nerve endings, neurotransmitters/synapses are used by the human body to inform the brain that something pleasurable or something painful is effecting the body. Until the brain determines which of the two is correct, you don't completely process the sensation. This is why a masochist enjoys the physical sensation of what most of us would consider pain, their brain processes the sensation as pleasure.
Nor does it make it true, so until some geneticist discovers a "cuckold gene", I will maintain it being a learned sexual fantasy preference. Especially as most cuckolded men never have an interest in experiencing it, they just happen to be unknowing victims of a wandering wife.
Your analogy of using the porn industry as a reliable barometer for genetic behavior would then have us believe that most men are genetically predisposed to become transsexuals and masochists and that women will develop a craving for having their faces covered in semen as these themes are also experiencing rapid growth as well.
I just figured it was a case of what's the latest kink we can cater to in order to sell smut.
So you are saying that there are bacterium which are genetically predisposed to lingerie as a kink?
Here on this website is the ongoing argument about men with small genetic endowments being predisposed to desiring their women to cuckold them. If having a small penis is the genetic cause for cuckolding, why then do men with average and large penises also have these desires? Why do men with small penises not have these desires?
Sorry, but I haven't read or seen any documented findings of a "homosexuality gene" as yet. In fact, the theory has been pretty much discounted by numerous sets of identical twins who share the same genetic makeup, but who have totally different personalities and sexual preferences.
No need, the local uni is thus far in agreement as to which is which.
Natural behavior is that which is exhibited free of instruction or intentional influence. It is pure emotion and curiosity unsullied by experience, that which is exhibited prior to learning.
A ch ild is fascinated with watching a fire, it does not know the fire is dangerous and harmful. It comes near the flame and feels the warmth which is pleasing. It reaches out and grabs the burning ember, is burnt, experiences pain and learns that fire can be harmful.
Although it has the genetic ability to see, hear, smell and feel the fire, none of these has provided an inbred influence on it's understanding of fire until it has a learning experience which changes it's natural behavior from simply observing the fire and enjoying its warmth and beauty, to also fearing it.
As is claiming there is any sort of genetic cause for it. However, I have repeatedly shown reason for believing it to be learned whereas you have shown zero reason to believe it to be genetic.
I wonder how many of his male descendants, if he had any, were desirous of being cuckolded, assuming he enjoyed being cuckolded as well.
I'm sure that is the commonality for all of us here.
However, I'm quite certain that those causes are relatively the same as why some men are excited by the sight of women's feet, the smell of leather, the feel of rope, the sound of a whip cracking or the taste of a women's vagina and it's not because they have the genetic ability to experience those things.
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Britwhitecuck
Male
Thanks willsrvu
Just a few questions as always.
Point 1 I originally made the point that you could spend a lifetime teaching your dog English but if it doesn't have the genetic ability to do so it's not going to speak back to you! Instead of just agreeing you mentioned something else which was off the point. So I'm still waiting to hear that English conversation with your dog about what it plans for 46 days hence! And if you can't why can't you? It's because it hasn't got the genetic endowment!
2 & 3 What you have said above is completely unrelated to the original point below. Originally you made the following statement with capitals!
"Let's try this a bit more basic: neither a rock nor a tree nor a black man nor a tea kettle could have a direct effect on a white man's genetic makeup as NONE OF THEM have a direct physical INTERACTION with his physiology. There is NO genetic influence."
In your response above you have completely gone off the point! Do you still say that 'NONE OF THEM' could not have a genetic influence on a white man's genetic makeup because there's no direct physical INTERACTION?
If a black man cuckold's the white man this effects his genes in the next generation - the very basis of evolution. Doesn't have to be any physical interaction.
Again in your examples (which had no relevance at all to the original point) you mention learning as if you can learn without genes. Even if you go to a university that specialises in operant and classical conditioning (and they're dying out fast!) they will tell you that what a species can learn and the speed it can learn it depends on it's genetic predisposition and the evolutionary and ethological relevance of that behavior! This can be seen in the famous study in conditioning of rats.
4. This is the bottom line here willsrvu. That before they have delved into it you have come out and stated cuckoldry is purely learned behaviour!!! Better to leave the doors open to factual findings! I have made the point I'm interested in looking at cuckoldry from an evolutionary perspective. Now that may lead nowhere, but it is my belief that we may find some interesting facts and there will be an evolutionary reason for this. Even if its an evolutionary aberration we will have learned something!
5. Just making the point that was is possible to learn depends on our evolutionary history and genetic endowment. The genetic endowments we have will influence what we do and become. If genes don't come into learning then have this conversation with a worm - you can try and teach it English but it won't understand - it hasn't got the genetic endowment.
6. The evidence is in fact growing that homosexuality is influenced by genes. I take it your going back to your stance that homosexuality is learned behaviour. Remember the case of the guy who inadvertently had his penis severed when young? So the behavioural psychologist said if we raise 'him' as a girl then she will become a girl. A catastrophic failure and suicide resulted.
Homosexuals have had to endure a living hell due to many so called behaviourists foisting their fanaticism on them - always resulting in spectacular failure. Explain why a baby growing up in a religious family with no access to porn or encouragement in homosexuality but continual reinforcement to be heterosexual ends up risking it all for a gay lifestyle.
7. Natural behaviour - a term you just made up willsrvu because don't think you want to use the term instinct. Otherwise the only organisms exhibiting 'natural behaviour' would be humans and higher animals who teach through instructional or intentional behaviour.
8. Interesting now that you mention you have reasons for believing cuckoldry to be learned whereas elsewhere you stated it was learned behaviour. You have given your opinions as to why you believe cuckoldry to be learned but they amount to zero.
9. For me this is what I'm most interested in willsrvu. Because from an evolutionary perspective cuckoldry should be an aberration as would be homosexuality. Homosexuality can partly be explained in evolutionary terms via kin selection but it's harder to explain cuckoldry using this.
Now there are 2 things that are interesting from an evolutionary perspective. Firstly, through most of human and proto-human history humans weren't pair-bonded as can be seen from the sex size differential. So in those societies one male mated with numerous females while other males went without issue. So what kind of psychology would best have suited those sexless males? To me it would either be homosexual or where more submissive males get aroused when alpha males take most of the women (a cuckold psyche). Maybe this element of the psyche still exists?
Secondly as I mentioned earlier in this discussion a number of species retain the genetic ability to change sex depending on their social environment. Whether an individual becomes a male or female depends on sex ratio and size of other members.
For me, these 2 facts intimate that there may possibly be some evolutionary reason why certain men find cuckoldry so profound and it may only surface in environments where there are openly alpha males present.
Learning is dependent on genetic endowment and (working in an environment that deals with sexual deviancy) I can tell you now that it's easier to condition and recondition some behaviours than it is others! We have a genetic predisposition to learn some behaviours and not others. The school of behaviourism that disregards this is all but dying out as the fields of ethology, sociobiology and cognitive science take over - all taking into account a species' evolutionary history.
I have a feeling I would probably get on well with you willsrvu because I like your interactive style. We only meet on this website and due to time limitations I can't get to this website that often whereas I know you're one of the main admin guys.
Just a few questions as always.
Point 1 I originally made the point that you could spend a lifetime teaching your dog English but if it doesn't have the genetic ability to do so it's not going to speak back to you! Instead of just agreeing you mentioned something else which was off the point. So I'm still waiting to hear that English conversation with your dog about what it plans for 46 days hence! And if you can't why can't you? It's because it hasn't got the genetic endowment!
2 & 3 What you have said above is completely unrelated to the original point below. Originally you made the following statement with capitals!
"Let's try this a bit more basic: neither a rock nor a tree nor a black man nor a tea kettle could have a direct effect on a white man's genetic makeup as NONE OF THEM have a direct physical INTERACTION with his physiology. There is NO genetic influence."
In your response above you have completely gone off the point! Do you still say that 'NONE OF THEM' could not have a genetic influence on a white man's genetic makeup because there's no direct physical INTERACTION?
If a black man cuckold's the white man this effects his genes in the next generation - the very basis of evolution. Doesn't have to be any physical interaction.
Again in your examples (which had no relevance at all to the original point) you mention learning as if you can learn without genes. Even if you go to a university that specialises in operant and classical conditioning (and they're dying out fast!) they will tell you that what a species can learn and the speed it can learn it depends on it's genetic predisposition and the evolutionary and ethological relevance of that behavior! This can be seen in the famous study in conditioning of rats.
4. This is the bottom line here willsrvu. That before they have delved into it you have come out and stated cuckoldry is purely learned behaviour!!! Better to leave the doors open to factual findings! I have made the point I'm interested in looking at cuckoldry from an evolutionary perspective. Now that may lead nowhere, but it is my belief that we may find some interesting facts and there will be an evolutionary reason for this. Even if its an evolutionary aberration we will have learned something!
5. Just making the point that was is possible to learn depends on our evolutionary history and genetic endowment. The genetic endowments we have will influence what we do and become. If genes don't come into learning then have this conversation with a worm - you can try and teach it English but it won't understand - it hasn't got the genetic endowment.
6. The evidence is in fact growing that homosexuality is influenced by genes. I take it your going back to your stance that homosexuality is learned behaviour. Remember the case of the guy who inadvertently had his penis severed when young? So the behavioural psychologist said if we raise 'him' as a girl then she will become a girl. A catastrophic failure and suicide resulted.
Homosexuals have had to endure a living hell due to many so called behaviourists foisting their fanaticism on them - always resulting in spectacular failure. Explain why a baby growing up in a religious family with no access to porn or encouragement in homosexuality but continual reinforcement to be heterosexual ends up risking it all for a gay lifestyle.
7. Natural behaviour - a term you just made up willsrvu because don't think you want to use the term instinct. Otherwise the only organisms exhibiting 'natural behaviour' would be humans and higher animals who teach through instructional or intentional behaviour.
8. Interesting now that you mention you have reasons for believing cuckoldry to be learned whereas elsewhere you stated it was learned behaviour. You have given your opinions as to why you believe cuckoldry to be learned but they amount to zero.
9. For me this is what I'm most interested in willsrvu. Because from an evolutionary perspective cuckoldry should be an aberration as would be homosexuality. Homosexuality can partly be explained in evolutionary terms via kin selection but it's harder to explain cuckoldry using this.
Now there are 2 things that are interesting from an evolutionary perspective. Firstly, through most of human and proto-human history humans weren't pair-bonded as can be seen from the sex size differential. So in those societies one male mated with numerous females while other males went without issue. So what kind of psychology would best have suited those sexless males? To me it would either be homosexual or where more submissive males get aroused when alpha males take most of the women (a cuckold psyche). Maybe this element of the psyche still exists?
Secondly as I mentioned earlier in this discussion a number of species retain the genetic ability to change sex depending on their social environment. Whether an individual becomes a male or female depends on sex ratio and size of other members.
For me, these 2 facts intimate that there may possibly be some evolutionary reason why certain men find cuckoldry so profound and it may only surface in environments where there are openly alpha males present.
Learning is dependent on genetic endowment and (working in an environment that deals with sexual deviancy) I can tell you now that it's easier to condition and recondition some behaviours than it is others! We have a genetic predisposition to learn some behaviours and not others. The school of behaviourism that disregards this is all but dying out as the fields of ethology, sociobiology and cognitive science take over - all taking into account a species' evolutionary history.
I have a feeling I would probably get on well with you willsrvu because I like your interactive style. We only meet on this website and due to time limitations I can't get to this website that often whereas I know you're one of the main admin guys.
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Dolores Anne Rollins
Female
If they can talk about inventing a "Gay bomb" to infect soldiers, I would think that inventing a Cuckold Bomb would be even more useful, since white males are already innately cuckold ready.
Again, I never claimed that the dog could speak English. However, the dog certainly learned the meaning of the words I trained it to respond to.
The reason the dog can't tell me his plans for the next 46 days is simply because I haven't learned to speak or understand dog. No different than a Chinese person who only knows his particular dialect of Chinese isn't going to be able to tell me his plans either as I also don't understand Chinese.
Yet all three of us have the genetic abilities to make sound and hear sound and are capable of communicating with others of our own kind.
Again, you miss the point of how genes adapt. It requires a constant physical change in environment for the body to respond on the molecular level.
Conditioning rats to behave in a particular manner is creating circumstance by which they learn. This does not physically change the rats genes.
That in order to learn requires physical capability (genetics) is true. That physical capability transmits the actual knowledge that can be learned on to future generations, is not.
You still have not explained how a rock, a tree, a black man or a tea kettle can possibly have a direct effect on a white man's genes if there is no physical interaction with them or on them.
My door is always open to new knowledge and should someone discover a gene mutation that corresponds with men consistently developing an irresistible craving to be cuckolded, I will certainly be excited to learn all about it.
Unfortunately, while such mutations are responsible for modifying physical traits, so far no one has made a connection to specific psychological traits.
Again, genetics give you the physical ability to learn, but the actual knowledge gleaned by using those physical abilities does not get passed on via the genes to subsequent generations.
I never said homosexuality was learned, it is natural behavior. That is why you can't raise someone born male to be female or vice versa. It is what it is.
Before accusing me of making something up, try 'googling' it or use whatever search engines you have available.
However, instinct will suffice and thank you for agreeing with me that "... the only organisms exhibiting 'natural behaviour' would be humans and higher animals who teach through instructional or intentional behaviour." and not that all this knowledge was contained in their genetic make up.
Cuckoldry in terms of how you are applying it to white men IS a behavior and it is learned. Just as wolf packs have an alpha male and the other males learn to put up with his leading the pack until he becomes weak and one of them kicks his ass and takes over being the alpha.
Again, we are going around in circles.
We agree that one must have the physical abilities to learn. Genetics provides for those abilities and is directly effected by environment: cold will encourage growth of hair, living in water encourages the development of fins and so on.
Where we differ is that I say behavior is either natural or learned, whereas you feel it is inherent of the actual genes that one will predictably act in a certain way because their genes are programmed for such behavior.
I'm sure we could spend many hours debating over a pint or three.
two threads going off into intelligent directions on the same day on this site, we are seriously over quota.
Dolores Anne Rollins
Female
Intellectual discussions are very valuable. The more intellectual a discussion is the more white it is, and the more time I get to spend with my black lover as my stupid white hubby reads this thread. Ohhh! How I laugh at him! He'd rather be intellectualizing and doing other white things rather than fucking me good and hard and bareback.
What exactly are you trying to say- that anything intellectual is inherently "white"? So does that mean intelligent black men aren't real black men or are "acting white"?
Dom22
Male
I noticed "she" has'nt responded to you yet, all i hear is crickets.
Strange is'nt it? Apperantly people who think that way, think they are'nt racist. Yet their actions prove otherwise. I would have more respect for the KKK, at least they are honest that they are racist, unlike some alledgedly "anti-racist'' people. Who see black men solely as walking dildo's.
Dolores Anne Rollins
Female
Well, yes. White men are stupid because they believe in romance and stuff. Black men are amazing lovers because they are abusive and don't give a fuck what other people think. So, yes, intellect is white.
On second thought, maybe you shouldn't have replied. If you had stayed quiet, everybody would have just assumed you were an idiot, but by responding you've confirmed it.
Britwhitecuck
Male
Hi again willsrvu
Haven't been on the site for a few weeks as I've been busy with work etc, etc. Yes, I'd love to get together with you for a ******* to bash out our ideas as we've gone round the block a few times here. Like I said you seem a decent guy and are a credit to this site.
Just to set a few things straight though willsrvu.
I've been lucky enough to have studied psychology, biology and behavioral ecology at university so in no way do I believe in a kind of genetic determinism whereby genes directly control all behaviour. Coming from an ecological as well as genetically trained background I am hugely interested in the effect the environment has upon animals (humans included) and their behaviour. As I stated when I first made my comments getting to the route of cuckoldry probably is an admixture of evolutionary history, social history and cultural history. Sorry if I get a bit boring here but I have a passion for these subjects and can get a bit abstruse and carried away with findings and studies etc!
So what I and other behavioral ecologists are interested in is what strategies or behaviours is an ******* using in its natural and social environment to maximise its inclusive fitness. This entails studying the ******* in its environment and also tracing its phylogenetic and evolutionary history. This can be at an individual or species level. So we might ask why do 2 species of monkey have completely different mating strategies - why is one species pair-bonded and another polygynous? What selection pressures have pushed species' down different ecological and behavioural routes? Also within a species what strategies are available to different individuals to maximise their inclusive fitness?
Genes unquestionably have an influence on the behaviour and psychology of both humans and animals. At a basic level this can be shown by the web spinning of a spider - this requires no learning or prior experience.
Modern geneticists use a process called 'knockout' whereby they 'knockout' a single gene to see if it has any effect on the *******'s behaviour. To give a few famous examples from knockout experiments:
One gene in female mice can be 'scrambled' so that the females will ignore their pups. Another gene can be 'scrambled' so that the mouse has no desire for social contact. Another gene in male mice can be 'scrambled' so that they no longer remember females who they have interacted with.
Interestingly 2 species of vole differ in their mating behaviour with 1 species being monogamous and the other not. By transferring a gene from the monogamous species to the non-monogamous species changes the latter's mating behaviour to monogamy.
Regarding humans studies of twins have proved invaluable in getting some idea of genetic influence on personality compared to the environment. Of most interest have been studies of identical (monozygotic) twins raised apart and children adopted by non-biological parents and these give some of the most famous results in psychology.
Identical twins raised in different homes are still more similar in personality traits than are fraternal twins raised in the same household. Adopted children start of being like their adoptive parents on cognitive abilities but as they grow older they become more like their biological parents - basically the more time they spend with their adoptive parents the less they become like them!
Of the main personality traits there is on average a variance for heritability of 0.5 meaning that 50% of the variance is due to genetic effects. That genes have an effect on behaviour and learning is without doubt! The selective breeding of dogs for specific behaviours and temperaments shows that these traits have a genetic influence. Down's Syndrome is a genetic disorder that causes major behavioural and learning disabilities - you would never try to explain the differential with 'normal' people by learning alone.
Like I say in no way do I believe in genetic determinism but it's rather about how a specific genotype interacts with the environment. And the environment starts influencing the genes as soon as the sperm penetrates the egg - after that it's gene-environment interaction all the way. In fact behavioural ecologists are not necessarily interested in disentangling the two, nor are we always interested in the proximate mechanisms that underlie a behaviour, rather we are interested in whether the behaviour is adaptive or not. Is it optimal in terms of inclusive fitness? Is it maladaptive and a consequence of the modern environment exploiting our evolutionary predispositions etc.
Often different strategies are available and effective for different individuals based on their genotype and the environment and this is what I'm interested in exploring here. Whenever you see something that seems to be working against maximising inclusive fitness (an individual's own genetic contribution to the next generation or helping relatives' genetic contribution) then the first thought is it's maladaptive but this is not always the case. Makes exploring the cuckolding (and especially interracial) phenomenon incredibly interesting.
