Dolores Anne Rollins
Female
It would prove the theory of evolution once and for all.
Hey men! Would like to be Kate's cuck!It would really be great thing for England if Prince William and Prince Henry were cuckolded by big black Africans.
Hi willsrvu again.
Haven't been here for a few weeks so sorry for a slow response.
Regarding believing your dog has the genetic ability to speak English - I suggest you go to your local science teacher and suggest this! Or visit the linguistics department in your local uni - worth it just for the looks you will get! Bacteria can communicate with each other but hell they don't have the genetic ability to speak English! The level of communication possible for dogs, humans and bacteria is different based on their genetic endowment!
Like I said, ask your dog what it intends to do in next Monday or in 46 days time from now - don't just come back and say 'wrong'! Tell us all what your dog has got planned and how it expressed it to you. Your chance for a bit of comedic expression willsrvu.
As for your argument that because an entity (whether it be a black man, white man or kettle) doesn't physically touch you it couldn't have an impact on someones genes it's just wrong! What is vision for (or other senses)?
If you see a tiger running at you you will have an emotional response! What do you think that emotional response is? It's your body reacting to try and save you before you are physically touched. The fight and flight response in which numerous genes are being expressed to increase the release of cortisol and adrenaline to enhance your chances of survival. If you haven't got the genes to react and your likely to be a dead man! This is basic Biology!
There are a high number of men who are interested in cuckoldry (I don't wish it one way or the other) - and I'm interested in the evolutionary reasons for this (I have studied Behaviourism and Evolutionary Theory and believe the latter has more to offer). This can be seen with the rapid growth in cuckoldry videos etc that the porn industry has caught upon. Just because it isn't documented doesn't make it a lie - it's a difficult subject for universities to broach - but they will.
Staggering that you think that interests we develop having nothing to do with genetic endowment. You may as well say that if you put on a lingerie show for a bacterium he may well develop an kink for lingerie.
You mention being homosexual is something you are. Where do you think that came from? Learning? Do not think so! Genes and how they've been expressed. And the evidence is growing all the time.
If you are very clear as to what are the differences between learned and genetic behaviour I suggest you get yourself off this website and down to your local uni as you may be a few steps ahead of science here! Interesting you say natural behaviour too - is that genetic, learned or what?
To state cuckoldry isn't an evolutionary response is just a personal statement and nothing more than that! I'm interested in delving deeper.
As for the Queen I don't give a *******. Interesting though that her hubby's uncle was cuckolded by a black man and Nehru!
I enjoy the subject of interracial cuckoldry but I'm interested in the underlying reasons too.
Thanks willsrvu
Just a few questions as always.
Point 1 I originally made the point that you could spend a lifetime teaching your dog English but if it doesn't have the genetic ability to do so it's not going to speak back to you! Instead of just agreeing you mentioned something else which was off the point. So I'm still waiting to hear that English conversation with your dog about what it plans for 46 days hence! And if you can't why can't you? It's because it hasn't got the genetic endowment!
2 & 3 What you have said above is completely unrelated to the original point below. Originally you made the following statement with capitals!
"Let's try this a bit more basic: neither a rock nor a tree nor a black man nor a tea kettle could have a direct effect on a white man's genetic makeup as NONE OF THEM have a direct physical INTERACTION with his physiology. There is NO genetic influence."
In your response above you have completely gone off the point! Do you still say that 'NONE OF THEM' could not have a genetic influence on a white man's genetic makeup because there's no direct physical INTERACTION?
If a black man cuckold's the white man this effects his genes in the next generation - the very basis of evolution. Doesn't have to be any physical interaction.
Again in your examples (which had no relevance at all to the original point) you mention learning as if you can learn without genes. Even if you go to a university that specialises in operant and classical conditioning (and they're dying out fast!) they will tell you that what a species can learn and the speed it can learn it depends on it's genetic predisposition and the evolutionary and ethological relevance of that behavior! This can be seen in the famous study in conditioning of rats.
4. This is the bottom line here willsrvu. That before they have delved into it you have come out and stated cuckoldry is purely learned behaviour!!! Better to leave the doors open to factual findings! I have made the point I'm interested in looking at cuckoldry from an evolutionary perspective. Now that may lead nowhere, but it is my belief that we may find some interesting facts and there will be an evolutionary reason for this. Even if its an evolutionary aberration we will have learned something!
5. Just making the point that was is possible to learn depends on our evolutionary history and genetic endowment. The genetic endowments we have will influence what we do and become. If genes don't come into learning then have this conversation with a worm - you can try and teach it English but it won't understand - it hasn't got the genetic endowment.
6. The evidence is in fact growing that homosexuality is influenced by genes. I take it your going back to your stance that homosexuality is learned behaviour. Remember the case of the guy who inadvertently had his penis severed when young? So the behavioural psychologist said if we raise 'him' as a girl then she will become a girl. A catastrophic failure and suicide resulted.
Homosexuals have had to endure a living hell due to many so called behaviourists foisting their fanaticism on them - always resulting in spectacular failure. Explain why a baby growing up in a religious family with no access to porn or encouragement in homosexuality but continual reinforcement to be heterosexual ends up risking it all for a gay lifestyle.
7. Natural behaviour - a term you just made up willsrvu because don't think you want to use the term instinct. Otherwise the only organisms exhibiting 'natural behaviour' would be humans and higher animals who teach through instructional or intentional behaviour.
8. Interesting now that you mention you have reasons for believing cuckoldry to be learned whereas elsewhere you stated it was learned behaviour. You have given your opinions as to why you believe cuckoldry to be learned but they amount to zero.
9. For me this is what I'm most interested in willsrvu. Because from an evolutionary perspective cuckoldry should be an aberration as would be homosexuality. Homosexuality can partly be explained in evolutionary terms via kin selection but it's harder to explain cuckoldry using this.
Now there are 2 things that are interesting from an evolutionary perspective. Firstly, through most of human and proto-human history humans weren't pair-bonded as can be seen from the sex size differential. So in those societies one male mated with numerous females while other males went without issue. So what kind of psychology would best have suited those sexless males? To me it would either be homosexual or where more submissive males get aroused when alpha males take most of the women (a cuckold psyche). Maybe this element of the psyche still exists?
Secondly as I mentioned earlier in this discussion a number of species retain the genetic ability to change sex depending on their social environment. Whether an individual becomes a male or female depends on sex ratio and size of other members.
For me, these 2 facts intimate that there may possibly be some evolutionary reason why certain men find cuckoldry so profound and it may only surface in environments where there are openly alpha males present.
Learning is dependent on genetic endowment and (working in an environment that deals with sexual deviancy) I can tell you now that it's easier to condition and recondition some behaviours than it is others! We have a genetic predisposition to learn some behaviours and not others. The school of behaviourism that disregards this is all but dying out as the fields of ethology, sociobiology and cognitive science take over - all taking into account a species' evolutionary history.
I have a feeling I would probably get on well with you willsrvu because I like your interactive style. We only meet on this website and due to time limitations I can't get to this website that often whereas I know you're one of the main admin guys.
Thanks willsrvu
Just a few questions as always.
Point 1 I originally made the point that you could spend a lifetime teaching your dog English but if it doesn't have the genetic ability to do so it's not going to speak back to you! Instead of just agreeing you mentioned something else which was off the point. So I'm still waiting to hear that English conversation with your dog about what it plans for 46 days hence! And if you can't why can't you? It's because it hasn't got the genetic tendowment!
2 & 3 What you have said above is completely unrelated to the original point below. Originally you made the following statement with capitals!
"Let's try this a bit more basic: neither a rock nor a tree nor a black man nor a tea kettle could have a direct effect on a white man's genetic makeup as NONE OF THEM have a direct physical INTERACTION with his physiology. There is NO genetic influence."
In your response above you have completely gone off the point! Do you still say that 'NONE OF THEM' could not have a genetic influence on a white man's genetic makeup because there's no direct physical INTERACTION?
If a black man cuckold's the white man this effects his genes in the next generation - the very basis of evolution. Doesn't have to be any physical interaction.
Again in your examples (which had no relevance at all to the original point) you mention learning as if you can learn without genes. Even if you go to a university that specialises in operant and classical conditioning (and they're dying out fast!) they will tell you that what a species can learn and the speed it can learn it depends on it's genetic predisposition and the evolutionary and ethological relevance of that behavior! This can be seen in the famous study in conditioning of rats.
4. This is the bottom line here willsrvu. That before they have delved into it you have come out and stated cuckoldry is purely learned behaviour!!! Better to leave the doors open to factual findings! I have made the point I'm interested in looking at cuckoldry from an evolutionary perspective. Now that may lead nowhere, but it is my belief that we may find some interesting facts and there will be an evolutionary reason for this. Even if its an evolutionary aberration we will have learned something!
5. Just making the point that was is possible to learn depends on our evolutionary history and genetic endowment. The genetic endowments we have will influence what we do and become. If genes don't come into learning then have this conversation with a worm - you can try and teach it English but it won't understand - it hasn't got the genetic endowment.
6. The evidence is in fact growing that homosexuality is influenced by genes. I take it your going back to your stance that homosexuality is learned behaviour. Remember the case of the guy who inadvertently had his penis severed when young? So the behavioural psychologist said if we raise 'him' as a girl then she will become a girl. A catastrophic failure and suicide resulted.
Homosexuals have had to endure a living hell due to many so called behaviourists foisting their fanaticism on them - always resulting in spectacular failure. Explain why a baby growing up in a religious family with no access to porn or encouragement in homosexuality but continual reinforcement to be heterosexual ends up risking it all for a gay lifestyle.
7. Natural behaviour - a term you just made up willsrvu because don't think you want to use the term instinct. Otherwise the only organisms exhibiting 'natural behaviour' would be humans and higher animals who teach through instructional or intentional behaviour.
8. Interesting now that you mention you have reasons for believing cuckoldry to be learned whereas elsewhere you stated it was learned behaviour. You have given your opinions as to why you believe cuckoldry to be learned but they amount to zero.
9. For me this is what I'm most interested in willsrvu. Because from an evolutionary perspective cuckoldry should be an aberration as would be homosexuality. Homosexuality can partly be explained in evolutionary terms via kin selection but it's harder to explain cuckoldry using this.
Now there are 2 things that are interesting from an evolutionary perspective. Firstly, through most of human and proto-human history humans weren't pair-bonded as can be seen from the sex size differential. So in those societies one male mated with numerous females while other males went without issue. So what kind of psychology would best have suited those sexless males? To me it would either be homosexual or where more submissive males get aroused when alpha males take most of the women (a cuckold psyche). Maybe this element of the psyche still exists?
Secondly as I mentioned earlier in this discussion a number of species retain the genetic ability to change sex depending on their social environment. Whether an individual becomes a male or female depends on sex ratio and size of other members.
For me, these 2 facts intimate that there may possibly be some evolutionary reason why certain men find cuckoldry so profound and it may only surface in environments where there are openly alpha males present.
Learning is dependent on genetic endowment and (working in an environment that deals with sexual deviancy) I can tell you now that it's easier to condition and recondition some behaviours than it is others! We have a genetic predisposition to learn some behaviours and not others. The school of behaviourism that disregards this is all but dying out as the fields of ethology, sociobiology and cognitive science take over - all taking into account a species' evolutionary history.
I have a feeling I would probably get on well with you willsrvu because I like your interactive style. We only meet on this website and due to time limitations I can't get to this website that often whereas I know you're one of the main admin guys.
Again, I never claimed that the dog could speak English. However, the dog certainly learned the meaning of the words I trained it to respond to.
The reason the dog can't tell me his plans for the next 46 days is simply because I haven't learned to speak or understand dog. No different than a Chinese person who only knows his particular dialect of Chinese isn't going to be able to tell me his plans either as I also don't understand Chinese.
Yet all three of us have the genetic abilities to make sound and hear sound and are capable of communicating with others of our own kind.
Again, you miss the point of how genes adapt. It requires a constant physical change in environment for the body to respond on the molecular level.
Conditioning rats to behave in a particular manner is creating circumstance by which they learn. This does not physically change the rats genes.
That in order to learn requires physical capability (genetics) is true. That physical capability transmits the actual knowledge that can be learned on to future generations, is not.
You still have not explained how a rock, a tree, a black man or a tea kettle can possibly have a direct effect on a white man's genes if there is no physical interaction with them or on them.
My door is always open to new knowledge and should someone discover a gene mutation that corresponds with men consistently developing an irresistible craving to be cuckolded, I will certainly be excited to learn all about it.
Unfortunately, while such mutations are responsible for modifying physical traits, so far no one has made a connection to specific psychological traits.
Again, genetics give you the physical ability to learn, but the actual knowledge gleaned by using those physical abilities does not get passed on via the genes to subsequent generations.
I never said homosexuality was learned, it is natural behavior. That is why you can't raise someone born male to be female or vice versa. It is what it is.
Before accusing me of making something up, try 'googling' it or use whatever search engines you have available.
However, instinct will suffice and thank you for agreeing with me that "... the only organisms exhibiting 'natural behaviour' would be humans and higher animals who teach through instructional or intentional behaviour." and not that all this knowledge was contained in their genetic make up.
Cuckoldry in terms of how you are applying it to white men IS a behavior and it is learned. Just as wolf packs have an alpha male and the other males learn to put up with his leading the pack until he becomes weak and one of them kicks his ass and takes over being the alpha.
Again, we are going around in circles.
We agree that one must have the physical abilities to learn. Genetics provides for those abilities and is directly effected by environment: cold will encourage growth of hair, living in water encourages the development of fins and so on.
Where we differ is that I say behavior is either natural or learned, whereas you feel it is inherent of the actual genes that one will predictably act in a certain way because their genes are programmed for such behavior.
I'm sure we could spend many hours debating over a pint or three.
Intellectual discussions are very valuable. The more intellectual a discussion is the more white it is, and the more time I get to spend with my black lover as my stupid white hubby reads this thread. Ohhh! How I laugh at him! He'd rather be intellectualizing and doing other white things rather than fucking me good and hard and bareback.
I noticed "she" has'nt responded to you yet, all i hear is crickets.What exactly are you trying to say- that anything intellectual is inherently "white"? So does that mean intelligent black men aren't real black men or are "acting white"?
Well, yes. White men are stupid because they believe in romance and stuff. Black men are amazing lovers because they are abusive and don't give a fuck what other people think. So, yes, intellect is white.
Again, I never claimed that the dog could speak English. However, the dog certainly learned the meaning of the words I trained it to respond to.
The reason the dog can't tell me his plans for the next 46 days is simply because I haven't learned to speak or understand dog. No different than a Chinese person who only knows his particular dialect of Chinese isn't going to be able to tell me his plans either as I also don't understand Chinese.
Yet all three of us have the genetic abilities to make sound and hear sound and are capable of communicating with others of our own kind.
Again, you miss the point of how genes adapt. It requires a constant physical change in environment for the body to respond on the molecular level.
Conditioning rats to behave in a particular manner is creating circumstance by which they learn. This does not physically change the rats genes.
That in order to learn requires physical capability (genetics) is true. That physical capability transmits the actual knowledge that can be learned on to future generations, is not.
You still have not explained how a rock, a tree, a black man or a tea kettle can possibly have a direct effect on a white man's genes if there is no physical interaction with them or on them.
My door is always open to new knowledge and should someone discover a gene mutation that corresponds with men consistently developing an irresistible craving to be cuckolded, I will certainly be excited to learn all about it.
Unfortunately, while such mutations are responsible for modifying physical traits, so far no one has made a connection to specific psychological traits.
Again, genetics give you the physical ability to learn, but the actual knowledge gleaned by using those physical abilities does not get passed on via the genes to subsequent generations.
I never said homosexuality was learned, it is natural behavior. That is why you can't raise someone born male to be female or vice versa. It is what it is.
Before accusing me of making something up, try 'googling' it or use whatever search engines you have available.
However, instinct will suffice and thank you for agreeing with me that "... the only organisms exhibiting 'natural behaviour' would be humans and higher animals who teach through instructional or intentional behaviour." and not that all this knowledge was contained in their genetic make up.
Cuckoldry in terms of how you are applying it to white men IS a behavior and it is learned. Just as wolf packs have an alpha male and the other males learn to put up with his leading the pack until he becomes weak and one of them kicks his ass and takes over being the alpha.
Again, we are going around in circles.
We agree that one must have the physical abilities to learn. Genetics provides for those abilities and is directly effected by environment: cold will encourage growth of hair, living in water encourages the development of fins and so on.
Where we differ is that I say behavior is either natural or learned, whereas you feel it is inherent of the actual genes that one will predictably act in a certain way because their genes are programmed for such behavior.
I'm sure we could spend many hours debating over a pint or three.
Porn plays a part.