If you let men suck your dick, you's gay, not a bull

The title is probably accurate most of the time as I stated. Since most who are claiming to be Bi especially using the crutch I only do Gay stuff with female present just do not want to face truth they are probably Gay.
You still haven't explained why you believe that, though. Having been in the lifestyle for as many years as we have, my wife and I have met MANY other cuckold couples. We've gone to events specifically for cuckold couples and bulls who like them, as well as cuckold meet-and-greets at bigger functions like Splash Mocha, which is probably the biggest interracial/hotwife related event in the country. I remain in correspondence with tons of them, and run a discussion group for them.

For the most part, these folks are very much like us. The men absolutely WORSHIP their wives. Their wives are not a front that allows them to stay in the closet. Most of them are caged and teased to the edge of sanity by the women they desire. I've seen the lust in their eyes when the sexy women walk into the room. I get non-stop compliments about how sexy and beautiful my wife is. They love buying sexy lingerie to watch their wives wear and help them prepare for playdates or lifestyle events. They are proud of the beautiful women by their side. I'm not sure where you're getting your "most of the time" impression, because these are friends who've in many cases shared their deepest secrets with me, and I know to be either completely straight or bi to some degree, and virtually all of them are more drawn to women than men. They eat pussy with a hunger like you've never seen. If their wives are bi, they love watching them with other women, as much as they love watching them with other men, and it's awesome when two femdom couples with bisexual females find each other, because the women get to team up dominating their men, they get pampered by all involved, and theb men get to watch and help facilitate their wives' pleasure. They find nothing more exciting than a female orgasm, especially when it's for the women they love. I've never met another cuck who wanted any sexual contact with me, but I've known several who are open to varying levels of bi play with bulls. The pseudo-"******"-bi contact I've described is honestly very popular in this crowd, and that's only one dynamic in a sea of different preferences. We have been in situations where no bulls were present, and there was no bi play. All hubbies involved relished in worshipping every single inch of the ladies' bodies. As a cuckold, I don't fuck other women, but I LOVE it when my wife shares me with other dominant women to show off my training or enlist help in driving me absolutely crazy. Having been in these situations many, many times, I know that this type of couple is not uncommon within the cuckold lifestyle. So what about it is so difficult for men like you to believe? Why is there some need to try to convince them all that they're actually wrong about what they think they like and are actually gay?

These men and couples will also be honest with any single male who takes time to get to know them, about exactly how much male contact they've had, and to what extent it's something they are looking for. You said it yourself! If you create a bi profile, it will get innundated! So obviously, people are willing to talk about it! Just be upfront and ask them point blank. Nobody is going to say, "nope, I'm definitely not interested in sucking your dick," and then get you behind closed doors and try to suck your dick. I'd be afraid of being outed, or knocked the fuck out, or having the cops called, etc. if I tried some ******* like that. People share and the word gets out. The couples I know will even ask each other for advice on men they've met, and tell each other when they think a particular bull will be a good fit for another couple. We have a cuckoldress friend who has told several men, "my husband and I are not into XYZ, but we know a couple you should meet," and sent them our way.

But ok. Let's say for a moment that you are correct. Despite the hundreds of people I've met and interacted with on this topic, I'm wrong about all of them. MOST are secretly gay, and lying about how attracted they are to women. In what way are they wasting your time? Why is it so hard to say, "look, I'm happy to meet up and see if there's chemistry between me and your wife, as long as you both realize that I will not, under any circumstances, be touching you?"

It's very possible that there are more fakes on this particular site than there are real couples. But it's not difficult at all to weed them out. Talk to them. Chat for a while and see if there's ACTUAL chemistry. Go beyond "I'm a single male, are you a couple who likes single males?" Ask them about their dynamic. Talk about the things that excite you and see if there's mutual interest. Ask if they're on any of the swingers sites and cross-reference their profiles. See if others in the lifestyle have vouched for them. Have them send pictures or video messages back and forth, or have live video chats to verify everyone is who they say they are. Respect their time as much as you want them to respect yours (not having a fake bi profile would be a very good start there). People are expecting this to be a dating site, and it's not. But it's definitely a place where like-minded people can find each other, and it's not difficult to determine if the people you're talking to are real or not. They might not be plastering their face pics or all of their kinks and desires on a public website, but it doesn't mean that most of the real couples here are here to deceive.
 
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Wow. You can’t find couples to play with because there is this massive critical mass of secretly bi bulls getting all the action ?

That is hilarious.

There’s always been a strain of hotwifing - really cuckolding that incorporates bi play. It has also been a very taboo and not talked about subject / strain of this lifestyle. If you are into it you can find it; if you are not and you are approached - all you need to do is firmly and respectfully decline.

Anything else makes you look inexperienced and insecure in your own sexuality.

I mean even Justin Slayer who started off with hotwives including Hot Yoga Wife and her hubby out of FL was in some scenes that definitely were a bit more bent than straight and he’s on Blacked every month fucking a new gorgeous starlet.
If you’ve actually been in this lifestyle more than 5 minutes and watched and listened you’d know that. It is your job as a Bull to be very clear about your interests, experience, ability and limits.

But there are also other sub cultures in this lifestyle - including the more & more prominent stag vixen movement that is more about voyeurism and exhibitionism.

There are now quite a fww oly hotwives who want more of a long term lover and yes there are classic cucks who get off on both the contrast and the humiliation of watching their wives with a more capable and well endowed lover. And I am seeing a lot more black hotwives as well.

It is absolutely hilarious that this is the hill the OP wants to die on vs a) being very clear about their preferences and b) focusing on the things they can control.

The mere fact that you are policing what people do in the bedroom when we are all on a site dedicated to a mixture of hotwifing, cuckolding, raceplay and swinging is a bit ironic.

If you don’t want to do bi *******; just say no but the reason you might not be getting play may be because of your immature attitude not this secret bisexual mafia bogeyman you’ve created in your head.
What's hilarious is how late you've arrived with this post with the air of someone who's provided something akin to a dissertation on cuckoldry/bi gay dynamics, when all your post is is a rehashing of what's been said on this dead horse thread a zillion times already.

What's not in bold. Nobody was aware of this. (Sarcasm). Everyone here, I'm sure already know this, except perhaps specifics like Justin Slayer.

First bold. A typical point that many bi or gay husbands on this thread have already made a thousand times.

Then here comes the second point in bold. I wasn't aware it was possible to police people in their bedroom, but you learn something new every day, I guess.

People have already stated the obvious about this a thousand times, which is no one here or pretty much anywhere cares what anyone does in their bedrooms.

It doesn't take an Einstein to figure out no matter what anyone thinks or feels, consulting adults will do whatever they chose to behind closed doors, which is, and should rightfully be their business and no one elses. And, THE NEWSFLASH: No one cares (duh) so long as they keep it to themselves.

Yours is yet another tread with points that sound like a broken record, which lends this reply to sound like one, but I bet you're convinced your response was insightful and provided quite an education, when the question to the OP was answered ages ago.
 
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One of the beautiful things about this lifestyle is choice and variety and they go both ways. As a Bull it is 100% my prerogative to engage with Couples I want to play with the same way it is your prerogative to choose who you want to play with. But I don’t *have* to do anything if I am not into it and I communicate that up front. I’ve been in this lifestyle 15+ years and as a straight Bull have and continue to have a lot of success with couples and single ladies - so you may not find me “attractive” but my media, my validations on swinger social sites and my social life say otherwise. 🤷🏿‍♂️
Your validations dont speak of how attractive I find you. And you certainly look to have all that is required on paper. But, if im sat in the room or sat at home and all you are interested in is banging my girl, then pretty soon she will lose interest and wonder why you are not Alpha enough to put her 6ft boyfriend on his knees and push your cock in his mouth. Straight, bi or gay labels should mean very little in this lifestyle. Its all about who is the true Alpha and if Im sat watching and you dont assert and make me look like a sub then at the end of the play ive remained the Alpha throughout. Something to think about 😉
 
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Wow. You can’t find couples to play with because there is this massive critical mass of secretly bi bulls getting all the action ?

That is hilarious.

There’s always been a strain of hotwifing - really cuckolding that incorporates bi play. It has also been a very taboo and not talked about subject / strain of this lifestyle. If you are into it you can find it; if you are not and you are approached - all you need to do is firmly and respectfully decline.

Anything else makes you look inexperienced and insecure in your own sexuality.

I mean even Justin Slayer who started off with hotwives including Hot Yoga Wife and her hubby out of FL was in some scenes that definitely were a bit more bent than straight and he’s on Blacked every month fucking a new gorgeous starlet.
If you’ve actually been in this lifestyle more than 5 minutes and watched and listened you’d know that. It is your job as a Bull to be very clear about your interests, experience, ability and limits.

But there are also other sub cultures in this lifestyle - including the more & more prominent stag vixen movement that is more about voyeurism and exhibitionism.

There are now quite a fww oly hotwives who want more of a long term lover and yes there are classic cucks who get off on both the contrast and the humiliation of watching their wives with a more capable and well endowed lover. And I am seeing a lot more black hotwives as well.

It is absolutely hilarious that this is the hill the OP wants to die on vs a) being very clear about their preferences and b) focusing on the things they can control.

The mere fact that you are policing what people do in the bedroom when we are all on a site dedicated to a mixture of hotwifing, cuckolding, raceplay and swinging is a bit ironic.

If you don’t want to do bi *******; just say no but the reason you might not be getting play may be because of your immature attitude not this secret bisexual mafia bogeyman you’ve created in your head.
This guy gets it.
 
It doesn't take an Einstein to figure out no matter what anyone thinks or feels, consulting adults will do whatever they chose to behind closed doors, which is, and should rightfully be their business and no one elses. And, THE NEWSFLASH: No one cares (duh) so long as they keep it to themselves.
Right? Clearly you don't care! You don't care SO MUCH, you started a whole thread to talk ******* about people. That's how much you DON'T CARE what other people do in their bedrooms. You don't care what they're doing, as long as they know that YOU think it's gay. And what's this "as long as they keep it to themselves" nonsense? In other posts you say they should just be honest. Well, which is it? Be honest and try to find the right people to connect with? Or "keep it to themselves" and keep getting flamed by narrow-minded people in threads like these?

Stop trying to pretend you don't care what people do. If you didn't care, you wouldn't need them to "keep it to themselves." You'd be perfectly capable of overlooking whatever it is you're not into and going on about your own business. You know, like a secure adult. And you damn sure wouldn't have to start threads to convince people they're wrong about their own sexual identities.

But I guess you won't see this message. You started the thread. You deal with the fallout. Put us all on ignore. There will be plenty of others to keep pointing out your insecurities, inconsistencies, and nastiness.

"Keep it to themselves!" Psh! Maybe that's something you ought to try.
 
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What's hilarious is how late you've arrived with this post with the air of someone who's provided something akin to a dissertation on cuckoldry/bi gay dynamics, when all your post is is a rehashing of what's been said on this dead horse thread a zillion times already.

What's not in bold. Nobody was aware of this. (Sarcasm). Everyone here, I'm sure already know this, except perhaps specifics like Justin Slayer.

First bold. A typical point that many bi or gay husbands on this thread have already made a thousand times.

Then here comes the second point in bold. I wasn't aware it was possible to police people in their bedroom, but you learn something new every day, I guess.

People have already stated the obvious about this a thousand times, which is no one here or pretty much anywhere cares what anyone does in their bedrooms.

It doesn't take an Einstein to figure out no matter what anyone thinks or feels, consulting adults will do whatever they chose to behind closed doors, which is, and should rightfully be their business and no one elses. And, THE NEWSFLASH: No one cares (duh) so long as they keep it to themselves.

Yours is yet another tread with points that sound like a broken record, which lends this reply to sound like one, but I bet you're convinced your response was insightful and provided quite an education, when the question to the OP was answered ages ago.
Bro - you’re the one who started a whole damn thread to complain about Bisexual cuckolds and blame your apparent lack of play on them. If you were getting laid more this would clearly be a moot point🤷🏿‍♂️
 
Today, I peepsed a couple pages of the Media section to see if any Real People on here posted anything new since I have my favorites whose stuff I check out, and to my surprise, I saw one person whose name I shall keep to myself, letting a husband suck him off. This was the second time I saw something like this in about two weeks.

I saw it one time here and while watching a vid from this guy called Black Panther XXX on pornhub.

On both occasions, I was shocked beyond measure and thought, so is that what a bull is?

I guess I had the definition wrong all along. I thought a bull was a straight male who was a dominant figure in a cuckold couple's sex life. By dominant, somehow being the recipient of a blow job from another man never struck me as being truly alpha male.

I guess that's why so many gay men flock to this website and fake being a woman or a couple. Comments about the definition of a bull welcome.
Straight facts so many fakes being couple or women
 
Some mom fuckas try to get sneaky with it...they'll let you fuck his wife but they gotta suck yo dick.. It's mom fucking package deal... If not its a deal breaker....Fuck that! I aint that hard up for sum pussy to let a dude suck my dick...🤣🤣🤣
agreed bruh, if you gotta suck my dick to let me fuck your wife then I'll pass, I'm not desperate lmao
 
Bro - you’re the one who started a whole damn thread to complain about Bisexual cuckolds and blame your apparent lack of play on them. If you were getting laid more this would clearly be a moot point🤷🏿‍♂️
Complain? More like ask a question, but I get it, the basic reading and comprehension thing is an issue. My last response to you. Keep typing into the abysss if you care to. I won't be reading or seeing it, and do enjoy having your cock sucked on by a man or stinging another man's bung hole, or perhaps vice versa. :ROFLMAO:
 
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You're hung up about labels. A black guy who allows a punk ass white boy to suck his dick is a stud. A guy who likes to dominate. A guy who fucks other guys wives and girlfriends. And on occasion, turns hubby out too. Runs the total show at another man's house. The real man of the house.
Nope, no hang ups. My interest was in discovering what this lifestyle is largely about. Based on your response and several others here, now I know for sure. Thanks for the insight.

You're response really is interesting. Had me grinning from ear to ear. Thanks for it again.
 
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Wow,,,just fuck’n wow!!! My definition of gay is when one person is capable of living a normal relationship with another of the same sex,,,and that goes for bi too. Meaning whichever sex you developed a relationship with to you it’s just like a hetero relationship, only between two people of the same sex. While it’s true most “date” and fly from person to person, but so do heteros,,,eventually most human beings want a life partner, gays chose someone of the same sex, Bi chose one or the other, and heteros go with what comes natural to them. What amazes me is how this whole discussion revolves around who’s what! No one has even considered something that’s as plan as the nose on your face,,,they’ve even created a resort for it,,,it’s called “hedonism”,,,everyone’s so busy trying to categorize everyone, put them in a box that makes you feel good. Speaking f feeling good, that’s basically what hedonism is designed around,,,doing anything that feels good. Which by the way doesn’t include conversing other people to do something they don’t like. Maybe a gay man or a bi man’s idea of a good time is trying to seduce a straight man, but a hedonist is all about pleasure. If you didn’t want my hub to touch you, he wouldn’t, cause that would do nothing to encourage a good time,,,to us that’s not a deal breaker, it only heightens the experience,,,a condom, now that’s a deal breaker, so is pulling out,,,I rather not fuck if that’s what was proposed. I don’t see the problem if a couple insists on contact with the hub, then move on like I do if a guy wants to use a condom,,,if a guy doesn’t have a problem with it, then it doesn‘t necessarily have anything to do with being gay, he’s just going with the flow,,,if it feels good do it! My hubs not gay, he’s not even bi, he has an involuntary gag reflex that kicks when he sees two men kissing, but he could suck their dicks if he didn’t have to see that, especially if he was getting them hard to fuck me,,,it’s all just skin touching skin.
 
I could care even less what consenting adults do in their private time but I agree with the thread creator on the basis of gay/bisexual men trying to solicit sexual favors from straight men by "pretending" to be a straight married man, the fact is there are many of those gay/bisexual guys on this site.

I have nothing against gay/bisexual men but you should state your intentions from the start and communicate with who you're planning to engage with that you desire those things, if the person is not for it and it's a deal breaker for you just move on, the denial and justification for doing oral or any other sexual activity with a man just because your wife is there doesn't change the fact that not everyone is comfortable with that.

In all honesty though, this is to be expected on the internet, bound to find weirdos that are delusional especially since they can hide behind a computer screen, just ignore them and filter your inbox or profile to block out as much as them as you can, I made the decision to limit my inbox to verified real people only and this problem is virtually non-existent for me now, I also limit my interactions on forums and threads with a user if their not verified to prevent the likelihood of a gay fake pretending to be a couple to get sexual favors.
 
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Complain? More like ask a question, but I get it, the basic reading and comprehension thing is an issue. My last response to you. Keep typing into the abysss if you care to. I won't be reading or seeing it, and do enjoy having your cock sucked on by a man or stinging another man's bung hole, gay boy, or perhaps vice versa. :ROFLMAO:
Dude. You have 6 pieces of media - all screen caps that may not even be you. You aren’t verified. You say you’re from NYC but you are clearly one of these new guys on the scene because there are a lot of NYC veterans on this site who have done and continue to do very well and you resort to insults when your “logic” is challenged. I think you’ve done a great job of flagging yourself so your drought will most likely continue but hey… 🤷🏿‍♂️
 
Wow,,,just fuck’n wow!!! My definition of gay is when one person is capable of living a normal relationship with another of the same sex,,,and that goes for bi too. Meaning whichever sex you developed a relationship with to you it’s just like a hetero relationship, only between two people of the same sex. While it’s true most “date” and fly from person to person, but so do heteros,,,eventually most human beings want a life partner, gays chose someone of the same sex, Bi chose one or the other, and heteros go with what comes natural to them. What amazes me is how this whole discussion revolves around who’s what! No one has even considered something that’s as plan as the nose on your face,,,they’ve even created a resort for it,,,it’s called “hedonism”,,,everyone’s so busy trying to categorize everyone, put them in a box that makes you feel good. Speaking f feeling good, that’s basically what hedonism is designed around,,,doing anything that feels good. Which by the way doesn’t include conversing other people to do something they don’t like. Maybe a gay man or a bi man’s idea of a good time is trying to seduce a straight man, but a hedonist is all about pleasure. If you didn’t want my hub to touch you, he wouldn’t, cause that would do nothing to encourage a good time,,,to us that’s not a deal breaker, it only heightens the experience,,,a condom, now that’s a deal breaker, so is pulling out,,,I rather not fuck if that’s what was proposed. I don’t see the problem if a couple insists on contact with the hub, then move on like I do if a guy wants to use a condom,,,if a guy doesn’t have a problem with it, then it doesn‘t necessarily have anything to do with being gay, he’s just going with the flow,,,if it feels good do it! My hubs not gay, he’s not even bi, he has an involuntary gag reflex that kicks when he sees two men kissing, but he could suck their dicks if he didn’t have to see that, especially if he was getting them hard to fuck me,,,it’s all just skin touching skin.
Always insightful Mary thanks
 
Making the husband put a dick in his mouth in front of his wife is a sign of submission. It sends a powerful message to the wife about who is strong and who is weak. It's far more gay for the guy with a cock in his mouth than it is for the guy trying to show dominance over the husband before he fucks the wife.
But all I need to do is fuck and cum in his wife’s pussy and make him sit and watch is good enough for me! Hahahahaha
 
I ask up front! I had a person couple try and pull a fast one like that. I got up and walked out! I’m here for your wife’s pussy not your dick… lol
Now that is just disrespectful. No dick sucking on the first date, at least date three, right, lol. Nah, just playing, yeah, you were right to leave.
 
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