Angelyn’s Article: The difference between male and female fantasies

[eyespy07]

Is there a way we can parachute drop a black male stud to fuck you silly and fufill all your fantasies, Angelyn? I do enjoy reading your in depth analysis about every single minutiae but I'm really starting to think you're just very, very, very, very, VERY sexually frustrated. Like seriously. Any volunteers, fellas?

 

[mussegirl]

Oh, yes, I am

Women are drawn to nuzzling assholes with noses, or licking them, for another deeper reason that is buried within our psyches, which harbors a rational practical need.

 

[TwoLoversInWNY]

Tagging this to make it easier to read later

 

[Angelyn]

I actually think it is normal to be sexually frustrated.

See, I think too much. I think way more than I do. That's me. In every aspect of my life.

So I am very careful.

Just like I did not pick up smoking. Lots of girls started to look 'cool' and 'grown up' - and what happens? Their breath stinks, they cough unromantically during moments of exertion, their teeth are stained.

There is no comparison between me and the cool girls I knew in middle school. Many cool girls looked way better than me at 14. But they picked up smoking. Now in our forties, they can't beat me in attractiveness no matter how much make up they put on.

I have known girls who picked up all kinds of diseases thanks to them pursuing their sexual fantasies. The aftermath is VERY, VERY UGLY.

Fantasizing and masturbating and using toys and watching porn may be uncool, but it sure is safer than taking unnecessary risks.

Unlike men who must be physically stimulated in order to cum, women are all/ mostly capable of mind orgasms.

 

[FrenchSissy2]

amazing

 

[eyespy07]

I actually think it is normal to be sexually frustrated.

See, I think too much. I think way more than I do. That's me. In every aspect of my life.

So I am very careful.

Just like I did not pick up smoking. Lots of girls started to look 'cool' and 'grown up' - and what happens? Their breath stinks, they cough unromantically during moments of exertion, their teeth are stained.

There is no comparison between me and the cool girls I knew in middle school. Many cool girls looked way better than me at 14. But they picked up smoking. Now in our forties, they can't beat me in attractiveness no matter how much make up they put on.

I have known girls who picked up all kinds of diseases thanks to them pursuing their sexual fantasies. The aftermath is VERY, VERY UGLY.

Fantasizing and masturbating and using toys and watching porn may be uncool, but it sure is safer than taking unnecessary risks.

Unlike men who must be physically stimulated in order to cum, women are all/ mostly capable of mind orgasms.

You can still meet a guy to have sex with and still be safe, Angelyn. BBC or otherwise. Why starve yourself?

 

[Angelyn]

who says I don't have the occasional hook up? But it is typically intimacy, not really anything hardcore.

 

[baldkate]

Angelyn. You had a lot to say. With what you said. In a way you turned me on. But I don't think we could partner and have a sexual contact.

You made four remarks, that had my full attention. It made me feel we are very much the same. Those remarks are:

1. What turns on women however, are the SOCIAL
RELATIONSHIPS displayed. It’s a subtle, but telling difference.

2. I want to be dominated, conquered, mastered and
taken. I want to feel feminine, submissive, small.

3. I am not a lesbian at all, yet I really enjoy sexual
contact with women.

4. To me Girl on Girl is a necessary part of all sex.

Let me tell you about myself. I'm a lesbian. Not your ordinary lesbian. I'm a submissive lesbian girl. I need to be dominated by a Mistress.

I have been with a Mistress. That is indeed as you said. We had a sexual relationship and we had a social relationship.

I was not allowed to talk to my Mistress. I could only say something to her if she had a question for me or if she wanted to know something.

Still. We had a very intense social relationship. She dominated me and she was totally in control. She praised me and she punished me.

You talked about your preference for women. You want them to be with a flattish chest and bottom, That is where wed differ.

My Mistress is full sized. Her boob are D's and her bottom is full. I have sucked and licked them both with a lot of satisfaction.

You don't want to surrender to losers and weaklings. I feel the same. My Mistress has a very rewarding position she can handled me.

You were talking about a dirty, demeaning, and degrading talk. That is not what I get from my Mistress. But if she would. I love it.

She doesn't do that. But if she would call me a slut or a whore. I sure would feel appreciated by her. Maybe I should make a suggestion.

You don't like black girls and white girls performing sexual acts on each other. My Mistress is white. But I would love to have a black Mistress.

I imagine that she is having huge boobs and thick thighs. Would love to suck her nipples and lick her thick thighs.

You have a problem with porn movies. You find the conversations crap. I also find the performance in this movies not real.

If you want. Would love to hear from you. Here I'm known as baldkate. You could open a conversation with me if you want.

 

[baldkate]

Angelyn. You had a lot to say. With what you said. In a way you turned me on. But I don't think we could partner and have a sexual contact.

You made four remarks, that had my full attention. It made me feel we are very much the same. Those remarks are:

1. What turns on women however, are the SOCIAL
RELATIONSHIPS displayed. It’s a subtle, but telling difference.

2. I want to be dominated, conquered, mastered and
taken. I want to feel feminine, submissive, small.

3. I am not a lesbian at all, yet I really enjoy sexual
contact with women.

4. To me Girl on Girl is a necessary part of all sex.

Let me tell you about myself. I'm a lesbian. Not your ordinary lesbian. I'm a submissive lesbian girl. I need to be dominated by a Mistress.

I have been with a Mistress. That is indeed as you said. We had a sexual relationship and we had a social relationship.

I was not allowed to talk to my Mistress. I could only say something to her if she had a question for me or if she wanted to know something.

Still. We had a very intense social relationship. She dominated me and she was totally in control. She praised me and she punished me.

You talked about your preference for women. You want them to be with a flattish chest and bottom, That is where wed differ.

My Mistress is full sized. Her boob are D's and her bottom is full. I have sucked and licked them both with a lot of satisfaction.

You don't want to surrender to losers and weaklings. I feel the same. My Mistress has a very rewarding position she can handled me.

You were talking about a dirty, demeaning, and degrading talk. That is not what I get from my Mistress. But if she would. I love it.

She doesn't do that. But if she would call me a slut or a whore. I sure would feel appreciated by her. Maybe I should make a suggestion.

You don't like black girls and white girls performing sexual acts on each other. My Mistress is white. But I would love to have a black Mistress.

I imagine that she is having huge boobs and thick thighs. Would love to suck her nipples and lick her thick thighs.

You have a problem with porn movies. You find the conversations crap. I also find the performance in this movies not real.

If you want. Would love to hear from you. Here I'm known as baldkate. You could open a conversation with me if you want.

 

[Angelyn]

Baldkate, let me give you my oblique response. I want to talk about Ghostbusters 2016 and how I react with my complex female sexuality.


Really liked that movie. I do identify a whole lot with the character Erin Gilbert.


Am not that big a fan of shallow chick flicks or your traditional woman-centered, relationship-centered movies. After all I am not a traditional housewife or woman in a stereotypically female, relationship -centered job. I have always identified a lot more with nerds who have to struggle to fit in the academic world. People who didn’t have so many connections and friends. The fact that most such characters in media were male didn’t make me happy. So the character Erin Gilbert really drives me nuts. That’s so MEMEMEMEMEME!


Why am I talking about Ghostbusters? Because I actually have sexual fantasies about Erin Gilbert. I want to have sex with her, even though as I’ve said, I am 100% not lesbian.

There was this scene where Erin Gilbert is in bed reading a book. And I find it oddly sexual even if there was no sexual theme and she was perfectly normally dressed. All Erin was doing was relaxing in her own bed at home, trying to find peace because of a stressful public life where she was being denounced as a fraud. But I was thinking: this is the best time to have sex. Two of us playing with each other, relieving stress and forgetting about the unpleasant realities of life. When I am feeling stressed, that’s also what I want – another woman to help me destress, without having any of the complications and emotions that sex with a man bestirs.


I think this reflects certain female sexual inclinations that men can’t really understand. Men don’t have fluid gender preferences. It is either pure hetero or gay. Very rigid, like how patriarchies and male dominated hierarchies are structured. But women have gray areas; a whole gradation of sexual preferences. I can want, and enjoy, sex with other women without actually being sexually attracted to them or loving them. Instead our sex is more about intimacy, mutual reassurance, mutual recognition, that kind of stuff.

What is so attractive about the character Erin Gilbert anyway? In Ghostbusters 2016 did you see her dressed in any skimpy or sexy clothes? Nope. It was dirty old jumpsuits all the way. Nothing that plays up her sexuality or even reveals much skin. Did she flirt or talk about sexual topics or try to seduce anyone? Nope. I have no sexual attraction to this character. Yet she still turns me on. Because women’s need for sex is not just for physical attraction and pleasure – but also for intimacy and affirmation.


I really identify with Kristen Wiig’s character Erin Gilbert. Her needs and fears are mine.


Kristen’s character didn’t have much in the way of curves. Her body type doesn’t threaten me. It is quite close to my own body type.


So there is nothing physical about me desiring Erin Gilbert. She is quite nice to look at, something I could say for myself, but beyond that very general observation which overlaps with how men desire women, my desire for her is a very feminine need that doesn’t have to be lesbian in origin.

 

[Angelyn]

And to go back to your observation about partnering up, yes baldkate, I don’t think we can partner up for sex. But the reason doesn’t lie in you being lesbian vs me not being lesbian. I think it lies in our different personalities and inclinations.


I like the idea of sexually exploring another peer woman, another academic. I have no great interest in exploring a totally different woman. This is because my desire for women is not a reproductive need. During orgies, women make better sex partners than men because they are more considerate of other women and know how to play with our bodies better, that's all.


In contrast, I could desire men who are very different from me – eg construction laborers, action heroes, top athletes. That’s because sexual desire has an inbuilt need for diversity in genes.

 

[Angelyn]

Recently a lot of guys have been sending me pictures of their dicks.

I'm pretty sure all the dating websites should tell you this, but if you're too ignorant, let me repeat this. DO NOT SEND WOMEN PICTURES OF YOUR PENIS! Dominant men establish domination in a mature way!

BTW some of the guys who sent me their dicks really have yummy looking dicks.

Problem is, women don't get turned on by the sight of static, social-context free dicks. We get turned on by men who are dominant. We really do not need to see any skin to get turned on by a man.

You want to be dominant? Take a look at this youtube video of Obama making a speech. It literally hits all the right notes.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=obama+sings+amazing+grace

You compare this sensitive and intelligent and all-in-charge alpha male talking and literally having everyone cling to his every word, and you compare the bluster and cheap tricks of some other white male, and who do you think we girls wanna suck off?

 

[eyespy07]

Hi Angelyn. Eh, save any political stuff for another thread. Btw, I'm curious, which country are you in?

 

[Angelyn]

Hi Angelyn. Eh, save any political stuff for another thread. Btw, I'm curious, which country are you in?

Whether or not you think this is talking politics, there is still no doubt that there are men who are genuinely dominant, and there are men whose dominance is very fragile and/or limited to certain demographics.

Ronald Reagan for instance, was dominant. Much more than the guy he beat, Jimmy Carter. No matter how much you love Carter for his compassionate politics, no woman would mistake Reagan's alpha attraction. Hence the clear mandate for Reagan. Dumb as Reaganomics was, you knew you could trust this guy to negotiate for your country vs another superpower.

Bush vs Clinton on the other hand, was less certain. I would have described Clinton as much more attractive than Bush, but Bush more dominant than Clinton. Bush was the ******* and patriarch and church goer who spanked you. Clinton was the easygoing and smart grad student who played saxophone to seduce you. Hence the split vote.

Bush II vs Gore was also a split vote. Neither was that dominant. Gore was a less attractive and nerdier version of Clinton, and Bush II was an inferior and stupider version of his dad.

Lets put it this way, nitty gritty of individual policies aside, people vote for leaders. Top dogs, to lead their government. Women always look out for these. I disagree with lots of Obama's policies and am happy Trump took actions to change the course, but I would never be mistaken as to who is a superior dog.

Same applies everywhere.

I've read a paper about P u t i n's attraction to Russian women voters. He basically represents a Russian man that they want, and who is not actually available in Russia where most men are ******* most of the time. In the 1990s Yeltsin was attractive because he was an easygoing, average Russian man who got ******* and enjoyed life - in contrast to the colorless apparatchiks who preceded him. But since the chaotic 90s, Russian women now want men who are in control of their lives. And I have no doubt that whatever his negative politics, Vladimir P u t i n is a man in charge.

NOTE, I HAVE JUST DISCOVERED THAT SOMEONE WITH EDITING RIGHTS, THE MODS OR SOMETHING, CHANGED ALL MY REFERENCES TO THE RUSSIAN LEADER WHO HAS WORLD IMPACT INTO THE UKRAINIAN LEADER WHOM MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW. THAT'S NOT COOL. I AM NOT RUSSIAN AND I AM NOT A TROLL, BUT KINDLY DO NOT MESS WITH PEOPLE'S POSTS. THAT IS UNBECOMING OF A MODERATOR!

 

[eyespy07]

You make some good points, Angelyn and seem very adept at geopolitical landscape. Impressive. Alpha/dominant men will always be in demand worldwide no matter what. However, some may feign "dominance" to get their way or some may be more subtle in their approach. It's all very fascinating.

 

[zvega]

My Favorite Themes in sex, no particular order and not exhaustive list:






1. humiliation in all forms.






2. crawling. The sight of a white woman with upper body on floor and ass up, crawling between legs of black thugs, is extremely arousing to me. I really do get wet looking at a certain website’s blowbang series where there are a bunch of angry black men in suits chanting slogans, a filthy floor, a wall covered with sexual murals featuring white sexual submission, and every white girl (victim) in a new episode always gets the full benefit of crawling across this line of black men in some state of humiliating undress even as the black men add to the verbal abuse.


The crawling, more than any bukkake or actual sexual contact in this website’s flicks, turns me on.






3. leash, handcuffs, restraints. Possible chaining to various forms of BDSM equipment, but I have very little real experience with actual BDSM props. (But some experience being chained or tied to gym equipment, construction equipment.)


I also like this Czech series where women are stuck in walls, helpless, as other men take them by their bottom holes or compel them to perform oral sex (or both taking place at the same time). The combo of helplessness, humiliation, inability to see/ unknowing what is going on at one’s loins but being able to feel physical sensations – extremely exciting!






4. forbidden-place to mouth contact. Pretty much all forms of ATM and PTM and ATOGM and PTOGM.


I very much like scenes where the pornstar is on all fours on a couch with buttplug stuck up her ass. She looks at the camera and is issued commands by some offscreen master. She eagerly smiles submissively, then pulls out the buttplug and proceeds to suck on it like candy while looking into the camera.


There may be no female POV in actions like this, but it drives me crazy all the same. As long as there is adequate domination, of course. As expressed in the sound effects. This kind of scene DOES NOT WORK if the pornographer has left the woman to perform in silence or to accompanying music without a male master with a forceful voice. Who’s going to suck their own ass-flavored butt plugs alone? You need a nasty master to please, DUH!


I hate to link to this website, and don’t want to promote it. But there is a site called HeatherGangxxxxGirls/ HeatherCreamxxxGirls which has done an incredible job in doing promotional marketing for their website. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to promote them. I had purchased some of their work before. Their actual films are much, much, much less hot (and poorly produced, with bad production values and even worse directing and the worst sounds in the industry) than the web pages promoting their films.


Anyway, this website has interracial oral enemas as a feature in many of its films. I don’t know why the mainstream porn or humiliation movies on kink.com haven’t done this yet, but surely there is a substantial market for films where some white bitch is captured by black thugs, taken to a motel room, tossed onto the bed, gangbanged and creampied and mudpied, and then made to clean her holes free of sperm using an ******* tube after which more black thugs get to pump sperm into this bitch?


This kind of stuff gets me off all the time, anytime. (Including when I masturbated in my office in school during office hours! I have really creamed my panties very badly before, just surfing Heather’s website. Let me stress, don’t buy their stuff, it’s gonna be a gigantic disappointment.)






5. Social relations that are a total inverse of my daily existence.


The way I put this sounds oddly academic and formal, but I suppose that’s exactly the point. I am an academic. In daily life I lecture men, nearly all of whom are much darker than me. I debate with men. I am treated with respect. I have status. I speak and people listen. My life is led ritually, formally, governed by social norms which do not permit my sexual fantasies.


Anything that turns on this upside down, turns me on.


One of the tropes that I don’t see much of in any porn, but which is very arousing, is the sight of a white actress being stepped on by black men. I’m not talking about the stepper putting any weight on his foot of course. I’m not there to get hurt. One foot on the floor, one foot on the whitey’s face or body part, preferably ass. I never understand why when extreme porn is so commonly available for free online, someone does not shoot at least a few takes’ worth of black men wearing dress shoes stepping on white whores’ faces, or some white cunt crouching at an entire platoon of black soldiers’ feet as the commanding black officer puts his foot on her ass in a triumphant gesture.

I love everything you’ve written

You could find posts I’ve written where I say “the best sex is in a woman’s head”. And you’ve exposed exactly that to us. Thank you

 

[Kitty Fache]

Women As Sex Objects/ objectified


Women portrayed in submissive poses on porn covers

I find it very arousing to see women in submissive poses, but not in the same way as male porn consumers.

Men like to look at women. Women don’t really care about looking at women. I don’t appreciate breasts and butts at all. Especially since most pornstars have way more butt and breast than me, which I am turned off by.


What turns on men, turns off women. We’re critical of each other’s bodies, as well as our bodies. A man can enjoy watching a man with a bigger dick having fun. But I really can’t enjoy watching women with bigger breasts or butts having fun.



What turns on women however, are the SOCIAL RELATIONSHIPS displayed. It’s a subtle, but telling difference.

So I don’t really care if the woman is beautiful or blonde or curvy or what. You guys can look at the woman and lust after her. I actually prefer if the woman is slimmish, with flattish chest and bottom, since I identify more with a woman like that.


Porn appeals to men’s fantasies about being masculine and powerful. But it also appeals to women’s desires to be submissive in the presence of virility and genetic strength. We women won’t be surrending our bodies to receive losers and weaklings’ sperm, would we?

I really find it arousing to see a white woman facing the camera on her elbows and knees, ass up and ass facing a bunch of black men in heavy jeans and boots and huge bulges in their pants.

Or a white woman squatting next to black penises at her eye level.

Or kneeling at some black men’s legs, with her clothes partly in disarray.

I like it when the white woman is being sexualized. She’s naked or scantily clad or being exposed (eg by having her skirt lifted up by black hands). The black men should be dressed in power – either suits or construction worker outfits or military uniforms.

What I don’t like is the sight of a woman alone – eg with her legs wide apart, or bent over submissively, or taking part of her clothes off. That’s wrong. It’s not that I don’t fantasize about posing or exposing myself to men when I want sex. But women generally do not like the idea of being merely looked at. Men will sit in a dark room and watch women strip, but women want audience participation when we are doing the stripping. When we want sex, we want a response. We want to be catcalled or something.

Too many porn covers feature some woman alone, posing. To turn on women, you need to show the woman posing with legs wide apart at the feet of strong black men. Or a white woman bent over as a black man gropes her. Or a white woman whose clothes are being removed by a black gang. That gives it social context. Women want social context. I don’t enjoy the thought of spreading my legs in some empty room. I want to imagine that room is full of lustful black men. So I want the porn cover to show this white woman spreading in front of these black men!

Social context is subtle, but it makes the difference between selfish male centered porn, and porn that women will enjoy.

So true. My female friends tell me this often. As I became more feminine I felt these same feelings as well. Wanting to be taken, dominated, ravished by strong virile males.

 

[Kitty Fache]

Ass to mouth and other fun stuff


I’m intensely turned on by ass to mouth. I fantasize about it all the time. I literally drool when I see some white actress position her face next to another white girl’s ass, then the black man fucks the other white girl’s ass and puts the BBC into the white girl’s mouth for periodic cleaning. It's gotten to the point where I expect to see ATM every flick I watch.

Ass to mouth is one of the most humiliating and submissive things possible. It’s really submissive and intimate at the same time. You really know another white girl when you rim her or do ATOGM on her. This is what it means to have intimate female friendships and sisterhood – to be one of a pair or group of white and Asian girls who suck black cocks out of their friends’ assholes!

Yet despite how crazy I am about ATM, I would never say in the middle of a sex session, “I want to taste my own ass”.

I want to taste my own ass? ARE YOU KIDDING?

Who in her right mind wants to taste her own ass? No matter how clean it is, it is still so nasty! The idea of doing such a forbidden thing is, eeuu, irkkk, yucckks!

No girl will ever tell her girlfriends that she loves tasting her own ass. Even the cleanest asses taste really nasty because of the lube.

Ass to mouth is so exciting because it is about submission and domination!

EG, a scene where two white girls are on all fours in front of two or more BBC. The girls are facing opposite ways and have submissive, receptive looks in their eyes. The black men get to do as they please to the girls, no matter how humiliating. The girls do not resist PTM and ATM. They do not protest as a bunch of dominant black men go around (round robin fashion), invading all their holes without limit. The girls do not fight their superiors. They are anxious to satisfy their masters and have surrendered all self respect.

That is what Ass to Mouth represents. The white girls surrender their individuality and become just holes to be penetrated (And satisfied). They give up any hope of self respect. It’s not about tasting your own waste. ATM is great when you’ve really cleaned out your entire system via enemas and are ready for humiliation in a safe, non freaky way.

That’s what I love so much about ass to mouth. I love the look of surrender in the actresses’ eyes. I fantasize about being in her skin, being the girl kneeling in front of black dick and cleaning it orally. It’s about being feminine and submissive. Doing ATM for a black dick, confirms my white/ Asian womanhood in the face of black domination!

The correct way to do ATM, is to simply order the white bitch to do it. Or to pull out and just walk in front of her and push her head down towards the ass tasting dick. To act as though degrading herself completely is the most normal thing in sex between black men and white cunts.

Agency is very important here. The white pussies should act like pussies – receptive and obedient. I absolutely hate and despise the scenes where white women are being assfucked, then they get off, say with faux eagerness ‘I want to taste my own ass’, and move to put the cocks into their mouths. That’s so wrong. In good ATM the black men must be absolutely dominant and make it such that the white women are unable to resist their sexual initiatives. The BBC do as they please, and the white girls submit and do their best to satisfy, no matter how nasty and humiliating. Be passive, not active if you’re the white pussy!

Ass to mouth and rimming and assplay and felching and cumfart cocktail eating are all the same here: it’s about humiliation and complete surrender with no inhibitions remaining. I love the intense scenes where white assholes are cummed in and other white girls clean the sperm out of their sisters’ rectums. Because when you do something so disgusting, you have really surrendered yourself to satisfy black men's dirty fantasies.

I certainly do not fantasize about ATM because I have any desire to taste my own feces!

Yes!!!

 

[Angelyn]

I love everything you’ve written

You could find posts I’ve written where I say “the best sex is in a woman’s head”. And you’ve exposed exactly that to us. Thank you

A man's best sex comes when he is erect. Or, because he gets erect.

I can't say this for every woman, but among the intelligent women I know, a woman's best sex often does not come from her erection.

What erection am I talking about? Of course my clit's erection.

I find humiliation orgasms more intense. These tend to involve my face and upper body. My cheeks are red, I feel my upper body burning, my chest (not breasts) is burning, my shoulders are burning, my ears feel ultrasensitive.

That's why I am all nuts about humiliation and degradation.

If I am in a sufficiently intense and humiliating situation, I can cum without touching my lower parts or having my genitals stimulated at all.

That said, I understand how men feel about erections. It is a lot easier to cum by just playing with your genitals. No social context nor suitable environment required. Men have it easy that way. To give women really good orgasms is a very complicated thing.

 

[Angelyn]

NOTE, I HAVE JUST DISCOVERED THAT SOMEONE WITH EDITING RIGHTS, THE MODS OR SOMETHING, CHANGED ALL MY REFERENCES TO THE RUSSIAN LEADER WHO HAS WORLD IMPACT INTO THE UKRAINIAN LEADER WHOM MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW. THAT'S NOT COOL. I AM NOT RUSSIAN AND I AM NOT A TROLL, BUT KINDLY DO NOT MESS WITH PEOPLE'S POSTS. THAT IS UNBECOMING OF A MODERATOR!