Angelyn’s Article: The difference between male and female fantasies

[Angelyn]

TBH, I absolutely hate cuckold porn.

I kept this to myself because I didn't want to offend the 99% of people on this site who love cuckold porn, but now that I have my own thread I suppose I can say what I like. People who didn't like reading my first few posts would probably not follow me and read all the way down to this post.

CUCKOLD PORN SUCKS

Which woman in her right mind wants to hook up with a useless piece of crap bottom barrel male?

 

[Angelyn]

And another thing, let me stress, anyone reading my previous posts should have seen also: dick size doesn't matter.

I honestly don't mind if my man has a 4 inch dick.

Cuckold porn loves making fun of 4 inch long, 1 inch diameter white and Asian dicks. But they are actually the best for regular anal sex.

Big Black Cocks are NOT good for anal sex. The unattached white male masturbating idiots who watch cuckold porn don't realize this at all because they've never had anal sex or helped their partners prep for anal. But it takes a lot of time to prep for anal, and the process is not fun or romantic.

Once sex play is over, my asshole goes back to normal. In other words, it goes back to keeping itself tightly closed so that my feces don't drop out. That's how everybody's digestive system works. It's normal to have a tight ass. In the ******* kingdom, all complex animals can control their defecation, so that they don't pollute their own dens or nests, and don't signal to nearby predators where they are.

Another way of putting it is this: tight-assed animals have superior evolution.

If your asshole can gape and take on a 3, 4 inch diameter BBC or baseball bat in under 30 mins, there is something very wrong with you. I dare not imagine how much time you have wasted, training your ass to take on baseball bats. Sorry folks, I have a regular job and a regular life, I'm not into circus acts.

 

[Samantha P]

So much insightful, well thought out FEMALE POV. I love it!

Guys always ask me what kind of porn i watch, or they send me stuff but it’s never interesting to me. Now I get why. It’s just never from my POV. Makes total sense now.

 

[Angelyn]

Samantha P, there are real consequences to not making porn covers attractive to women.


Take for example, the entire Chasing the Big Ones series. I think there are 28 or 30 such titles. And it’s all interracial porn, not that much inside that is different from other BBC porn titles. But I don’t own a single CTBO title. I never wanted to buy their stuff.


I have bought lots of other titles. But not CTBO.


Why?


The covers suck. They basically say: don’t buy this if you’re female.


Lots of nubile young women, barely clothed, pose on every single cover for a CTBO title. This is a classic ‘lots of sexy females posing for the male gaze’ approach. Men like it, women don’t. There is no way around this.


Male pornographers, in their MCP single track way of thinking, don’t understand how their covers could have been much more attractive to female buyers if only they made some cheap and easy changes.


For instance, these nubile young women could have been posing like they did in Reverse Interracial Gangbang series. All crouching on a sofa, or just bent over submissively.


Lots of naked female asses exposed to the camera, exactly what men like. Two or three BBC walking around, patting the asses. Lots of women, me included, now want to join the girls in that scene and offer up our own asses for penetration.


Or maybe, you could still have all these lovely young women. But on their knees. And with various sets of male legs/ pants in view. You don’t even need to photograph any part of the black studs above the waist. Really, when I’m doing a blowjob, I have BBC at eye level, not the black man’s face. So our female POV experience does not even require the entire male partner to be captured in frame. What it requires to appeal to our female POV, is to establish what’s going on the video – black male domination of white/ Asian female.


Women mate with SOCIAL RELATIONSHIPS in mind. So an appealing cover must tell us what we expect to see in this video. White females on knees in front of well dressed, stern looking black men? Good. White female goddesses displayed at a distance like models on a catwalk? Yawn.

 

[Angelyn]

OK, I’m gonna link to a few pictures to make my point. I hope it doesn’t violate any rules. I don’t own the copyright to these pictures, but moderators and admins please consider that they come under the realm of fair use, since I’m reviewing and commenting on the pictures.






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Don’t Waste It, Taste It 4.


Picture is very attractive to men because it features a scantily clad young woman with a come hither look. It is mildly interesting to women because we do want to be an attractive woman inviting sexual attention. But it’s not a strong interest from us girls’ perspective – because when I try to seduce men, I don’t look into a mirror. I can’t see myself!






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Black Cravings 7. But pretty much the entire series has covers like this. Vastly superior to CTBO. There are the typical exposed female models, but they aren’t at the center of this video cover. What’s at the center? Women surrounded by dicks, sperm flying out onto female faces, mouths open, etc. Good, that’s what a woman wants to see.






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Big Black Poles in Little White Holes 7. Pretty much the whole series has covers like this. Again, totally pathetically male centered.


Men like to see dicks, and men like to see women’s holes. That’s enough to satisfy the standard male.


And what do I get out of this? Yawn.


Women get minimum sexual satisfaction out of looking at body parts.


Look at the back of this video. https://imgs1cdn.adultempire.com/products/61/593061bh.jpg


That’s a lot of hot action going on. Yes, nice. I like to see this. But why can’t you put the hot action in front, and the frozen poses and body parts behind?


The impression I get from this video cover, is that men’s satisfaction (the front cover) comes first. Women’s satisfaction (the rear cover) is second.






Black in My Ass. https://www.adultdvdempire.com/dvd/search?q=black in my ass


I’m including a link, because it is really about searches. Run a search like this on any DVD selling site, and you get lots of video covers.


Now, I do like watching anal sex, even if I often find the sight of a huge dick in someone’s ass too overwhelming. It makes me nervous because I identify with the anus being penetrated.


But look at all the video covers. They’re all about women making sexy poses. At most 1 out of 10 covers actually shows a black dick in some white or Asian ass. Once again, MCP pornographers are making the cover to attract male buyers not female ones.











Black In The Crack Black In The Back # 2


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I found the cover fairly arousing. Sexy white woman on her knees with black crotches at eye level, black men either holding on to her or her clothes.


It could still be better. The guys could at least have real abs. But this is already a significantly more exciting cover than most others.






I’ve Never Done That Before 16


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What does this cover tell you? Sure, many women including me like to watch other young women being put through things they have never done before. It’s exciting.


But the cover already proclaims that this is male targeted.


Cheerleader upskirt pictures are like, what? Sooooo Sixteeeen? I’ve looked up how many other teenage girls’ skirts since I turned twelve and started having ******* parties? Any woman with girlfriends should have had at least some friend come to her house, get onto her bed, and sit with legs wide apart just because we girls love the sense of release/ sense of freedom it gives us when we’re not under an eternally horny male teenage gaze.


Back of the video shows some decent action, including creampies. I very much like watching creampies on video, since it’s something I dare not personally get. But the front cover has done the damage. Women won’t buy this title.






Dark Meat Lovers 4


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The first 3 titles in this series were the standard MCP cover. Scantily clad woman posing alone on the front.


The next 3 titles, the management of this company seems to have figured out their mistake. Dark Meat Lovers 4-6 all feature women in action next to BBC. Bulging pants in 4 and 5, and outright exposed BBC in Dark Meat Lovers 6.


This makes a HUGE difference. I’d seen the first 3 without caring a damn. Now I got hold of the 4th title just because of Lea Lexis holding that huge cock at her face. The rest of the video isn’t great. Only Lea was great (partly because of her memorable backwards blowjob, which I found great fun in dreaming of doing, but which I can never imitate.)


You know what they say, the cover sells the content, the content sells the next installment of the series. I was sold on this cover.






Dark Meat White Treat


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Not all covers featuring kneeling women are a turn on. Take for example this cover. It doesn’t come off right, and I believe it is because of the guy. Too skinny, not muscular, holding hands behind his back, not seeming dominant, no sight of big black cock menacing Jennifer Dark’s open mouth, kind of a milquetoasty cover.


Just because women aren’t very visual, doesn’t mean that you can produce low quality visuals and expect us girls to give you our money!


No surprise here – I don’t own this video.






Gangbang Squad series


These guys generally have decent covers, but their attempts to give variety by having different covers isn’t completely successful.


They hit it off by the general theme of having multiple blacks surround and *******/ grope a single terrified white or Asian female. The men are dressed and the girl is stripped and sexualized. It’s hot.


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Look at Faye Runaway and the gang about to pounce on her. Exciting cover.


The guys making this porn figured out their missteps pretty early. GBS 5 and 6 feature topless women smiling at the camera, which is boring as hell unless you’re a man.


GBS 7 features the audience participation that women like, two men groping Marybeth shamelessly as she is opened up. Marybeth sucks on one finger invitingly as two other horny men look on with lustful grins. The cover is attractive to me; Marybeth is practically inviting me to be in her skin.


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Although I like GBS7’s cover, I still dislike the way the guys are dressed... caps, t-shirts, bermudas, all crappy casual dress. The pornographers are really oversized ******* at heart and haven’t learned that women like well dressed men. It doesn’t cost much money to dress up your male pornstars, yet most pornographers will avoid dressing their guys well.


Gangbang Squad 13 has the most blatantly sexual cover in the series. I like it very much.


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Orgy Masters series


There are 7 or 8 iterations in this series by now, but I’ve never paid it any attention. Why? Every single cover features 4-5 scantily clad women posing for the male gaze. Doesn’t grab my interest; I just filter it out the same way I ignore sexist advertising and use of the female form.


You want to get my money, you need to pitch to me.

 

[ChicagoPiston]

Women As Sex Objects/ objectified


Women portrayed in submissive poses on porn covers

I find it very arousing to see women in submissive poses, but not in the same way as male porn consumers.

Men like to look at women. Women don’t really care about looking at women. I don’t appreciate breasts and butts at all. Especially since most pornstars have way more butt and breast than me, which I am turned off by.


What turns on men, turns off women. We’re critical of each other’s bodies, as well as our bodies. A man can enjoy watching a man with a bigger dick having fun. But I really can’t enjoy watching women with bigger breasts or butts having fun.



What turns on women however, are the SOCIAL RELATIONSHIPS displayed. It’s a subtle, but telling difference.

So I don’t really care if the woman is beautiful or blonde or curvy or what. You guys can look at the woman and lust after her. I actually prefer if the woman is slimmish, with flattish chest and bottom, since I identify more with a woman like that.


Porn appeals to men’s fantasies about being masculine and powerful. But it also appeals to women’s desires to be submissive in the presence of virility and genetic strength. We women won’t be surrending our bodies to receive losers and weaklings’ sperm, would we?

I really find it arousing to see a white woman facing the camera on her elbows and knees, ass up and ass facing a bunch of black men in heavy jeans and boots and huge bulges in their pants.

Or a white woman squatting next to black penises at her eye level.

Or kneeling at some black men’s legs, with her clothes partly in disarray.

I like it when the white woman is being sexualized. She’s naked or scantily clad or being exposed (eg by having her skirt lifted up by black hands). The black men should be dressed in power – either suits or construction worker outfits or military uniforms.

What I don’t like is the sight of a woman alone – eg with her legs wide apart, or bent over submissively, or taking part of her clothes off. That’s wrong. It’s not that I don’t fantasize about posing or exposing myself to men when I want sex. But women generally do not like the idea of being merely looked at. Men will sit in a dark room and watch women strip, but women want audience participation when we are doing the stripping. When we want sex, we want a response. We want to be catcalled or something.

Too many porn covers feature some woman alone, posing. To turn on women, you need to show the woman posing with legs wide apart at the feet of strong black men. Or a white woman bent over as a black man gropes her. Or a white woman whose clothes are being removed by a black gang. That gives it social context. Women want social context. I don’t enjoy the thought of spreading my legs in some empty room. I want to imagine that room is full of lustful black men. So I want the porn cover to show this white woman spreading in front of these black men!

Social context is subtle, but it makes the difference between selfish male centered porn, and porn that women will enjoy.

To deem what you refer to as "selfish male centered porn" may not your preferred genre of porn, but that doesn't mean that it deserves to be pigeonholed as "selfish." That is your subjective opinion.
What I'd call selfish would be if the males or males didn't care whether or not the woman or women was experiencing pleasure during the sexcapades.
From what I can tell, the men are hyper vigilant to provide as much pleasurable stimulus to to female via fingers, tongue, penis, or vocally. Which is far from being selfish.

Maybe like fantasies, the genders use of verbs and adjectives differs as well. Not necessarily in kind but in degree.

I do find your observations a fine addition to exploring and understanding human sexual dynamics.

 

[ChicagoPiston]

Dick Size

I’m not a size queen. And a lot of women are not size queens. Seriously, how many who post on this site are real women? If you are real, do you have some kind of pain fetish, or have you had so much sex that your pussies are loose? We like to be filled and stretched by dominant men. We don’t like to be hurt. I’m sorry, but talk about tearing holes apart is an enormous turn-off. When you are the asshole being penetrated, if the man isn’t good, it really hurts, and not in an erotic way at all.

Yet women also are excited by big cocks. These represent male sexual desire for us. It makes us feel wanted. It establishes male domination and power and virility. I love porn scenes where white women are kneeling in front of BBC. Especially when there are many BBC pointing at her from all directions. I would be so horny!

I can’t claim to speak for all women, but I definitely have my preferences.


I prefer small dicks in my ass. It takes too long to prep for big dicks that it loses all its fun. You can ‘ream’ me fast if your dick is small. And I really mean small. You guys can laugh, but 4 inch dicks are great for anal sex. The sight of a monster black cock stuffed in a tiny white anus is exciting to me, but it’s hard for me to identify with the white victim of such penetration because I would be imagining myself in extreme pain. And remember, women IDENTIFY with the female actress. You can’t turn us on if we identify with discomfort and pain.

I’m ok with midsize dicks in my vagina. Not really particular about size, since really the technique is far more important than the dick size.

But I’m crazy about sucking and licking big dicks and balls. I love cocks that are very big in my hands and at face level. They are very exciting. You guys need to understand that when you watch porn which is normally made by male directors, you can often see a big dick penetrating a woman. Well, that’s the male POV. What’s my POV? I can’t see anything. Sex for a woman is a moving ceiling. Or a male chest. Or the bed or pillow that my face is being mashed against. Moreover, if a man has poor technique a woman often can’t tell how big his dick actually is/ she doesn’t get that much enjoyable sensation. So the only way for me to appreciate a big dick, is when I’m holding and licking it or being dickslapped.

While on a book signing tour in the mid aughts, I spoke to legendary adult actress Nina Hartley, and she would agree with you about not all women are "size queens."
She said that her preferred cock size was 6 inches. Nina didn't specify, if she meant length or girth, but most likely she was talking about length. And while she didn't deny the existence of 'size queens" in and out of the industry, she said that the vast majority of her female friends and colleagues prefer an "average" size dick.

My hypothesisis that's why natural selection and genetic drift forces produced what has become to known as "average/median" sized cocks. Women prefer that size, so form follows function.

 

[ChicagoPiston]

This interraction with the cuckold in professional porn. I would be interested to know if anyone at all is turned on by it. It’s so staged it’s just a joke to me. At least with the black guy and white woman, you know that pussy is being stretched regardless of whether it’s pro or amateur. Perhaps the cucks on the forum are into it, but I don’t need to see white guys when I watch interracial porn.
It’s all about the black master, white slut dynamic for me, and your turn ons from a female perspective are not so far from what works for me.
A savvy director could easily satisfy all of us.

As an alpha male, I shy away from the "cuckold" scene in porn and real life experiences.
Its a major turn off to see a so-called man behave in that way. This my subjective reaction, but that doesn't mean that I am alone in that opinion.

 

[ChicagoPiston]

I’ve written about this in a post that I haven’t posted. (I write on Word first.)


But basically, there is substantial overlap between male POV and female POV that could be arousing to both sexes. By default all DVDs or feeds could be programmed to show this mainstream content.


Then there is stuff that is arousing to only one sex. And very often, a turnoff to the other sex.


In our digital world it is now possible to produce porn from, say, 10 different cameras discreetly hidden at different angles. Then channel the different POVs to different markets or use different selections to organize them.


For instance, the ‘look up the skirt market’.


The ‘upskirt underlings’, as I like to call them, are one porn subsection that is a huge turn off to most women.


Voyeurs are losers and cowards. Women hate losers and cowards. Even the most dominant women hate losers and cowards. There are many porn covers which feature men kneeling at women’s feet looking up at her crotch, and it is just wrong. A turn off. Creepy.


This doesn’t mean that it’s always wrong to have scenes where men are positioned lower than women. But you need to set up the scene correctly. EG I can imagine a very thrilling scene where a black general or African dictator snaps at a bunch of white maids, who snap to attention immediately. The general announces that his top officers have all rights to inspect the maids, and in due course skirts are lifted and pussies licked. The white or Asian women are still in a submissive role, even if they are standing while uniformed black men kneel and lick them from below. That’s because they are standing to attention/ standing in anticipation of commands/ standing and waiting.


There are many women who fantasize about forceful or degrading sex. But almost none fantasize about having their skirts peeked up by men who are too timid to make their sexual demands known. If you want to look, duh, make it known to me. With a strong male-gaze look full of cocky confidence that I will submit. Do the right thing, and I’ll open my legs and give you all the upskirt you want.

I think you could make your case without all the generalizations and ad hominum epithets.

 

[eyespy07]

Greetings, Angelyn. It's been a long time since I've posted on the site; however, I just so happen to come across your post and I had to respond. First of all, I must say you are quite the meticulous person and very detail oriented! You obviously have thought long and hard about what you wanted to share with us. And we are so much the better for it. Second, I could feel the seething sexual tension and frustration with every keystroke you made. Wow! You need a powerful black stud to make you his subby mixed Asian (you look all Asian to me) drooling, cum dump fuck slave ASAP! Can you give us the faintest of clues where in the world you might be located that has you so deprived of any earthly and well deserved perverted pleasures? Inquiring minds want to know. Lastly, thank you so much for revealing what every man has wanted to hear or know: that women the world over CRAVE being sexually dominated, made to do the most depraved/wild sex acts to please their man or men, and that sometimes they just want a good rough FUCKING. Amen to that. I'm very interested in learning more about your sexual exploits. Women always have the best stories to tell.

On a site note, do you have any hot pics to share with the group? I know we're all eager to see how a petite lady like you can handle all that chocolate. And I'm quite sure you can!

Keep us posted.


E~

 

[Angelyn]

To deem what you refer to as "selfish male centered porn" may not your preferred genre of porn, but that doesn't mean that it deserves to be pigeonholed as "selfish." That is your subjective opinion.
What I'd call selfish would be if the males or males didn't care whether or not the woman or women was experiencing pleasure during the sexcapades.
From what I can tell, the men are hyper vigilant to provide as much pleasurable stimulus to to female via fingers, tongue, penis, or vocally. Which is far from being selfish.

Maybe like fantasies, the genders use of verbs and adjectives differs as well. Not necessarily in kind but in degree.

I do find your observations a fine addition to exploring and understanding human sexual dynamics.

Your response is exactly what I don’t like in MCP-created male centered porn. Your ‘hyper vigilant’ male actors seem to think that poking fingers a few times, or talking unbeliveable crap, will make women excited.


I’m far from being the only woman who turns off the sound in porn because everyone is saying the dumbest and most off-putting things.


There was this series many years ago when I was young: the Big Black Monster Cocks series. It was very hot. But the sounds are tailored for a male audience, so women must turn off the sound to enjoy the action.


Sexual excitement for women works very differently from men. There are women who can cum without being touched. But the situation needs to be right. Hence I talk a lot about the social dynamics. Even a socially incompetent nerd like me can cum without being penetrated, but there is no way I can cum when I hear dumb stuff being spoken.

 

[Angelyn]

While on a book signing tour in the mid aughts, I spoke to legendary adult actress Nina Hartley, and she would agree with you about not all women are "size queens."
She said that her preferred cock size was 6 inches. Nina didn't specify, if she meant length or girth, but most likely she was talking about length. And while she didn't deny the existence of 'size queens" in and out of the industry, she said that the vast majority of her female friends and colleagues prefer an "average" size dick.

My hypothesisis that's why natural selection and genetic drift forces produced what has become to known as "average/median" sized cocks. Women prefer that size, so form follows function.

Visuals work differently from actual penetration. That's why I like to see porn featuring big dicks, and I prefer to blow or see bigger dicks. But for actual vaginal and anal penetration, not only do I not care for big dicks, I even prefer smaller dicks for anal.

 

[Angelyn]

I think you could make your case without all the generalizations and ad hominum epithets.

That's ok, upskirt underlings are often the very type who enjoy being verbally degraded and insulted by women anyway.

And pls don't feel insulted, I don't mean to suggest that alpha males are underlings just because they get pleasure from forbidden thrills like looking up skirts. Just that true alphas know what they want, and demand for it. Instead of sneaking around, hiding cameras in their shoes, crawling on the floor and what not.

I can imagine a scene in Kink.com where dominant black men lounge in their chairs, and command a white woman to get up on stage in a short skirt and start posing for them. They're still looking up skirts, but it sure isn't from the POV of an upskirt underling because they're in control.

 

[Samantha P]

Samantha P, there are real consequences to not making porn covers attractive to women.


Take for example, the entire Chasing the Big Ones series. I think there are 28 or 30 such titles. And it’s all interracial porn, not that much inside that is different from other BBC porn titles. But I don’t own a single CTBO title. I never wanted to buy their stuff.


I have bought lots of other titles. But not CTBO.


Why?


The covers suck. They basically say: don’t buy this if you’re female.


Lots of nubile young women, barely clothed, pose on every single cover for a CTBO title. This is a classic ‘lots of sexy females posing for the male gaze’ approach. Men like it, women don’t. There is no way around this.


Male pornographers, in their MCP single track way of thinking, don’t understand how their covers could have been much more attractive to female buyers if only they made some cheap and easy changes.


For instance, these nubile young women could have been posing like they did in Reverse Interracial Gangbang series. All crouching on a sofa, or just bent over submissively.


Lots of naked female asses exposed to the camera, exactly what men like. Two or three BBC walking around, patting the asses. Lots of women, me included, now want to join the girls in that scene and offer up our own asses for penetration.


Or maybe, you could still have all these lovely young women. But on their knees. And with various sets of male legs/ pants in view. You don’t even need to photograph any part of the black studs above the waist. Really, when I’m doing a blowjob, I have BBC at eye level, not the black man’s face. So our female POV experience does not even require the entire male partner to be captured in frame. What it requires to appeal to our female POV, is to establish what’s going on the video – black male domination of white/ Asian female.


Women mate with SOCIAL RELATIONSHIPS in mind. So an appealing cover must tell us what we expect to see in this video. White females on knees in front of well dressed, stern looking black men? Good. White female goddesses displayed at a distance like models on a catwalk? Yawn.

You’re like a porn research scientist

 

[Angelyn]

Can't help it. Realistically, in 2018 I can only enjoy visual/ aural porn.

Maybe in 2118 women would be enjoying smells, tastes and touches in their porn. When that happens we won't need men anymore, heh.

You’re like a porn research scientist

 

[Angelyn]

Here's another fantasy of mine.

I'm at a bukkake party. There are lots of big black men. All the men have been ****** to be celibate for the past 2 weeks, so they have plenty of sperm ready. There are a few other white girls, and they are all playing the part of hoes (holes). Fluffers generally use their mouths, but these girls are really surrendering everything, so everyone is being penetrated in all directions. I would prefer these girls to be fairly near me, just so that the smell of sex and sweat is stronger. I can't see anyone but I would like to feel the sexy vibrations coming from the fucking that is taking place so close to me.

I'm tied to a rocking chair with my legs wide apart. I'm in handcuffs and blindfolded. I have to suck and swallow nonstop, and I don't know where each cock has been previously. To make things nastier, every white asshole being fucked has been lubricated with lube of a different flavor, whereas all girls use the same tasteless lube in their pussies, so I kinda can tell if a dick has just been in someone's butt and even whose butt it is.

[Here's another hint, my dear pornographers. Women are nowhere as visual as men because most of our sex POV consists of looking at some wall, ceiling, bed or male chest. So we get stimulated by the environment. If I was making porn, I won't use a fixed chair. I would use a rocking chair, so that the female pornstar can sense the vibrations around herself.]

As the final target, I have to blow every black man to completion, and then clean every black man after he's cum on my face or in my mouth. The guys can dry their cocks on my hair when they're done.

I liked Dina Pearl's performance in Gangbang Girl 18. I really like the 'sexy spy cornered and thoroughly interrogated' fantasy. That bukkake scene on Dina at the end was really hot. If only someone could make a video, except entirely shot from Dina's POV instead. Wow, spurting cocks everywhere I turn, fresh cum fed to me by being scraped off my body... I would probably have the same mindlessly horny expression on my face.

Thus far a lot of women's fantasies are not properly accounted for in porn, even by female porn directors. I think that's because a big part of our fun is plain impossible to replicate using current technology. Men can be 100% visually stimulated, but a huge chunk of what I want, is the smell and the taste and the texture.

I rarely see the guys clean sperm off the girls after they've cummed on her. But it is very thrilling to have a spoon gently travel over my body. No, better still, multiple hard spoons travelling over my body after I've been cummed on like 100 times. By the time they reach my mouth, each spoon carries a heaping spoonful of semen. MMM...

 

[Angelyn]

Another grouse: in a lot of hardcore IR porn, the cleanup is too brief and then screen fades to black. Damn it. Again selfish men doing the MCP thing. Once they've cummed, they want to walk off. Really a very male thing.

But i love the feeling of submission as I gently clean a man's slowly shrinking post-coital cock with my tongue, face or hair. I lick off all the secretions. I clean every drop off the tip of his dick and kiss it. Ground zero for male scent, right next to my nose. Cleanup is very important to me and not having a good cleanup after sex is unacceptable.

I’m mixed about cleaning the woman after sex. On one hand, I really enjoyed the cleanup sessions (Tony Leung bathing Jane March) in The Lover. It was erotic and lovely. It’s how I want post-sex cleanup to be, if I was married.

On the other hand, when going for the hardcore sub-dom sessions, I really want to remain filthy. I want to feel fucked. I want to be paraded around in a state of humiliation, to go home with sperm drying on face and hair and clothes and the thrill of more sperm leaking out of pussy and ass. The lingering smell is important to me.

Men can just finish cumming, zip up, and walk off. But I find that it doesn't work for me. I take time to get aroused, and when aroused I prefer to stay aroused and cool down slowly.

 

[Angelyn]

Angelyn’s fantasies


I’ve opened a thread to discuss the difference between male and female fantasies, although I got sidetracked a lot. So here I am, discussing my personal fantasies on a different thread. Hopefully would have no problem getting thread approved.


This thread will be edited over time.






Things I crave to see


I love orgies and anything with multiple partners.






Sperm.


I like my face covered in sperm, and my mouth full of spunk. Yummy!


To clarify: I should add that it is not the actual taste of sperm that turns me on. Just like it is not the actual sight of a skimpily clad female body on a porn cover that turns me on. It is something more sophisticated than that.


It’s about the social relationships taking place, the information that the smell of sperm brings, etc.






Whites on knees, crouching, or other submissive positions.


Humiliation


I get two-way arousal, my face reddens a lot and so does my pussy. If anything, I think that white and light-skinned Asian women are the best because there is a clear visual change when we are aroused. If you have very dark skin I just don’t see how others can see that you are aroused.


Mouth-pussy wetness/ arousal, craving attention on both ends at the same time.


In this male-dominated world, I normally do not feel that men have it worse than women. But in a few limited areas, I do prefer to be a woman. One of which is this: in being spitroasted.


I love having mouth and pussy/ ass stimulated at the same time. I’m very turned on by these disgusting videos where men take a woman in mouth and ass, then change positions without cleaning off. It’s so humiliating.


It’s awesome. Men just can’t enjoy such things.


As they say, Power is an aphrodisac. I think it mainly applies to women. But sometimes I swear I can taste it in the sperm or sweat. I don’t know why. Maybe it is actually just the mood – a psychological thing. Whatever it is, women like Channeled Male Aggression. We savor it. I like being told what to do by a powerful, confident, self-aware man.


I must make it clear: CMA, Channeled Male Aggression, is not the same as Worthless Male Aggression, WMA. WMA is what most nihilistic teens do. Smash things, burn cars, vandalize stuff. CMA comes from the guys that did survive from their teens and are now attaining positions of power and responsibility in their 40s and 50s. CMA is from dominant men, the leaders of the pack, the rulers of the roost. I have zero interest in WMA, and the same goes for practically all intelligent women.


If you’re a WMA type, you can still find molls and other women on the bottom of the ladder who accept your worthless ways. But you won’t net the top 10% of women.


This is particularly true of something like anal sex. The anus is incredibly sensitive, but also incredibly easy to hurt. A CMA type knows how to dominate a woman’s ass the right way, which makes for incredible sex. A WMA type will just blindly and roughly poke, and cause injuries and pain.






Leashes


I love leashes. They make me feel very feminine.


Handcuffs/ restraints, oral attention, blindfolds.


Blindfolds really turn me on a lot. I think it is the deprivation of visual stimulation, which happens too much in sex because pretty much all porn is visual. That allows me to concentrate on the different types of stimulation.


Smells, secretions, tactile sensations without accompanying visuals, vibrations, the general ‘vibe’.






Things I hate to see, feel or smell:


Cuckolds and the entire Cuckold Porn theme. I only want to mate with superior males. I get no pleasure from being hitched to a loser that I make fun of all the time.


No woman I know enjoys watching cuckold porn. It’s bizarre why this theme keeps getting promoted. The white men we look up to don’t like cuckold porn, and neither do we. So who actually likes cuckold porn? Black men? The herbivore guys lurking in their mom’s basements?


While I can’t claim to have perfect social judgment, I’m pretty sure I can tell most losers apart from most winners. And I don’t want to waste my time dating any inferior types who fantasize about cuckoldry.


Fat Black Men. (Or Fat Men of any race). It’s not so much the presence of body fat that bothers me; it’s the lack of grooming, or lack of self-control, or lack of care. Women want men who are in charge, and if you can’t even take charge of your personal life, forget about ever raising a family.


Unhealthy men who eat a lot of junk food. Strictly speaking, I can’t always know if they smell bad if they eat junk food. But what I do know is that men who keep their bodies in top condition, almost always smell much better than men who don’t.






Rimming


What is it about Rimming and ass licking that turns on women so much?


I don’t think it is the actual taste, or smell.


Women are drawn to nuzzling assholes with noses, or licking them, for another deeper reason that is buried within our psyches, which harbors a rational practical need.


I think it is all about information.


Men can always put up their dramatic displays of reproductive fitness. Driving a borrowed Ferrari, wearing a rented tuxedo, sitting in a borrowed office, talking loudly, acting like a smart aleck in front of the President, etc.


But their bodies can’t hide the truth.


Their feces/ assholes will reveal what kind of food they eat. What kinds of ailments they suffer from. Whether they are actually healthy guys or whether they are suffering hidden illnesses.


Vegan assholes will just smell musty. Like rotting vegetables, compost, other kinds of natural dirt and muck. It’s not smelling of roses or anything, more like natural fertilizers and manures used in my retired mom’s garden. It’s not enjoyable, but it is Natural! But some men’s butts smell terrible, and I mean in a nasty, unnatural way. Probably too much meat and processed foods and preservatives. These men are probably stuffed full of toxins.


Modern women don’t have this ability to detect truths by smell anymore, yet we are drawn to doing the same thing as females from 1 million years ago.

 

[Angelyn]

let me briefly discuss one of the hot scenes I’ve watched and loved for many years. This should hopefully identify more of the subtle differences between what men want, and what women want from porn.


Dina Pearl, in Gangbang Girl 18.


For the past 20 years I’ve craved to see someone make a scene like this, except with split screens. That way I can enjoy the female POV without losing the information that the male POV brings.


See, from the female POV, a lot of what is going on, isn’t going to be that visual. EG part of the time Dina is looking down at the ground, part of the time she’s looking up at the ceiling because her ass is being impaled on a dick. If I were in her skin of course that would be what was happening to me. But it doesn’t quite make for good porn, so not surprisingly the male POV must be used. And that’s fine, we’re not at the stage where porn can be scented or computers deliver tactile sensations, so we can’t really use the female POV where not enough information is being conveyed.


This scene is hot for so many reasons, that I wanna talk about it.






ONE: The sexy spy being ‘interrogated’ theme.


Everyone loves this theme, men and women. I love the thrill of being in powerful, dominant men’s thrall. Helpless, the focus of attention and spotlights, not knowing what the men in charge might say or do. The vague menace in the background.






TWO: Dina flashing her panties.


I’m crazy about this, even if I am coming from a female POV.


Men plain like to look at panties. They get turned on by the sight.


For me it is not so much the panties, but the action. The social implication.


Dina is wearing a black skirt and white panties. When she opens her legs and flashes, it is a very clear, black and white signal that triggers something very important in my brain. It marks the START. It marks the BEGINNING of what is going to happen. To me, the woman who identifies with Dina Pearl.


See, up to now, we have been watching an interrogation. My heart rate is going up. I don’t know what is going to happen to me (aka Dina Pearl). Dina sometimes grips the chair with her hands. I would be doing the same too, getting increasingly nervous and not knowing fully what the men want from me. They seem to have singled me out unfairly, and I don’t know their intentions...


It is totally correct that Diana Pearl is not dressed like a slut. That’s more fun. Could have been any businesswoman crossing borders. There is a thin veneer of plausibility – your standard career woman crossing borders is sucked into an alternative world of official interrogations, and her only way out is to dip into her fantasy imagination and act like a porn star, so that the men decide she’s not a spy and let her go. I can buy that!


From a woman’s POV, one has to be very careful when under interrogation by immigration officers. A lot of things could go very wrong in a foreign country. Women are far more vulnerable than men to being sexually propositioned, abused, mistreated, etc.


Yet at the same time, we girls know that we have a weapon that men don’t. Sex. We know that in many cases, we women can buy our way out of trouble by using this universal currency. We know that by trading some dignity and self respect, we can avert a more serious situation. So to us, sex is always a possibility. When under suspicion for some immigration offence, sex is a very realistic and viable option. We girls know that in real life, when an innocent woman is being detained and roughly questioned, very often the interrogators are actually out for sex. We just need to figure out the right social cues – are the interrogators looking for sex, or are they genuinely investigating something and it was just a case of mistaken identity?


In all interactions with powerful men, we have to be cautious. Men can cause women much grief. It goes without saying that my default reaction in all interrogations, would be to keep my knees firmly pressed together and to give off no sex signals.


Opening one’s legs and flashing panties is a choice and a definitive judgment call. This single action has enormous consequence. As a woman, I know that it practically casts the die, though. You offer sex, you are taking the short cut out. Short cut could be dangerous, but you have lost control and now all initiative is in the hands of the men.


So that’s what porn is like for me. It lets me live vicariously in a situation which could be too dangerous to live in real life.


Dina flashing her panties doesn’t do anything for me, per se. Not as if I can’t see the same view in my own bedroom mirror.


But Dina flashing her panties in the right social situation; when under pressure from menacing males in authority... that’s the stuff of porn fantasy. That’s what I fantasize about doing when under pressure. Don’t bother with answering difficult questions; just use sex to buy my way out of trouble. The easiest possible solution that can’t be applied in real life because our brains tell us that the consequences are too problematic...


In charged situations like these where the woman is at the mercy of powerful men in quasi-military authority, we don’t have much agency. If we consent to sex, most things will take place outside our control. It is tremendously intimidating and terrifying.


I get so aroused by the sight of Dina opening her legs and flashing her panties, yet it is not her inner thighs or her crotch that turn me on. I daresay if the camera had been stationed over Dina’s head – ie we only got to see her opening her legs, without a glimpse of panty – it would just have been as intensely exciting to me, if less visually striking than the sight of white panty in black dress.


It is the presence of a definitive sexual signal that excites me so much.


All women know that this is a choice we can make, whenever attending job interviews, making a statement at the police station, when trying to wheedle the insurance broker to sign off on your coverage, etc. But once you choose to do something like that, you surrender a lot of your agency. So opening her legs, essentially saying ‘fuck me’, is also very menacing in its own way!


Many times in my life I just want to say ‘fuck me’, and get over the difficult situation. I have known girls who employed this strategy. But the longer term consequences have been very doubtful. Some women are good with the ‘fuck me’ strategy, but I am not. So someone I know made it to a seven figure income working for an investment bank, but I am an academic drawing a five figure income. Hence ‘fuck me’ is not a great way to be living my life. That’s what porn is for me; a way to live alternative lives, to be the woman I can’t be in real life.


In real life if I got jizzed on by lots of men at some adult theater, I would be afraid that someday one of these men will see me living my private life. My academic career would be one hundred percent finished. So I can never have that hot situation at the end of Dina’s scene where all these men jizz on her and scoop sperm off her body and feed it to her.

 

[Angelyn]

More about what turns me on.

here’s something that maybe some women can relate to.

I am turned on by the sight of women in shirt sleeves and panties. More than by the sight of men in just about anything, be it uniform or speedos.

So you ask me, why?

I like to analyze. Here’s my answer, maybe not everyone would agree.

Firstly, I am not that turned on by pictures of men. Somehow for men, I really care a lot more about texture and smell than actual static pictures. For instance, men must be FIRM. HARD. I don’t just mean the penises. I mean when I touch his bicep, I want to feel firm and hard. When I press against his chest, I want to feel firm and hard. I kind of crave this, kind of like security, protection, strength. So I don’t really have a particular ‘men in gym shorts’ or ‘men in spandex’ or ‘men in overalls’ desire. What I want from men isn’t really as much visual, as it is a tactile concept. Firm and Hard.

A good part of any sexual contact with men, I close my eyes. I feel him. And I want to feel him firm and hard.

The sight of women in shirt sleeves and panties on the other hand, is immensely exciting to me.

I think that’s because I feel it personally as well.

Pictures of women in shirt sleeves and panties are scarce because they don’t fit male desires so much. Men tend to like to see women more scantily clad than that, eg in bikinis, or something focusing on breasts. So most images of women found publicly would show breasts.

But I have small breasts, and I totally loathe male focus on breasts. And most women, regardless of breast size, do not like being sized up by the male gaze.

Shirt sleeves are business dress. Not really sexual. It takes sexual attention away from our tops. Baring our panties on the other hand, is an invitation for male hands to check out thighs and butt and feel around. And come on, I want to get fucked in my vagina, not breastfeed oversized *******!

So long before sex, during foreplay or in preparation of foreplay, we can take bottoms off to indicate consent to sexual advances. But a lot of us aren’t that keen to display our tops. The sense that my breasts might be compared to other women’s and found wanting, is a strong turn off. So I don’t really want that much attention paid to my breasts. But by dropping my bottom, I want the man to touch my thighs and explore higher. It is only when I feel more comfortable, do I take off my top.

Pornstars are never self conscious. That’s because they always know they’re gonna get fucked, no matter how their tops look. Real women are almost always conscious about their breasts. No matter how fanatically feminist we are, somehow we always fear being judged by our breasts and found wanting and unable to bestir the guy into a raging hard on.

Male oriented porn almost never shows women in shirt sleeves and bottoms off, being given sexual attention by men. Almost always, the top is a skimpy one and gets taken off most quickly. In porn, men start often by given the breasts attention, instead of reaching down and playing with pussies. But I definitely get wet faster if I’m still wearing a top and the guy gives me some good loving attention through my panties.