Immigration

There will always be someone who needs a job and thats who will take those jobs.
true...and we will keep paying them in food stamps and etc
until they finally gather and revolt...and remember you armed them

I would much rather see them get out and vote....but your party is taking that from them also
 
but wait...we are paying and subsidizing their wages....can't have that!
like talking to a fucking rock
Janitors sanitation workers...all jobs no one wants..but we have to have....and they also are entitled to a living wage...they can pay the CEO's millions and can't pay a janitor who cleans up after their sorry ass 20 bucks an hour?
not allot of logic there

Whi says nobody wants those jobs?? And no thwy are not entitled to a living wage. Nobody is entitled to that.

Let me ask you this. If a small company has welders that make 25 dollars an hour and suddenly the janitor who was making 10 now makes 20 what do you think the welders will say. They will want more money. And maybe the company cant afflrd to then pay welders 35 dollars and hour. Its a vicous cycle. There always needs to be a wage gap.
 
true...and we will keep paying them in food stamps and etc
until they finally gather and revolt...and remember you armed them

I would much rather see them get out and vote....but your party is taking that from them also

Gather and revolt. They should use there energy to better themselves
 
Let me ask you this. If a small company has welders that make 25 dollars an hour and suddenly the janitor who was making 10 now makes 20 what do you think the welders will say. They will want more money. And maybe the company cant afflrd to then pay welders 35 dollars and hour. Its a vicous cycle. There always needs to be a wage gap.


you just don't get it and never will...go back to listening to rush Limbaugh the druggie!


how fucking much to you think that company is charging the customer for the welder's services?....over $100 p/h..most closer to 200 buck an hour
look at the auto dealerships....you take your car in for repair...they charge over 90 bucks an hour...and yet most mechanics are paid a lot less than 20 bucks an hour...it's called greed!
again you didn't read the articles I posted so if you want to remain ignorant...don't show it here!
 
you just don't get it and never will...go back to listening to rush Limbaugh the druggie!


how fucking much to you think that company is charging the customer for the welder's services?....over $100 p/h..most closer to 200 buck an hour
look at the auto dealerships....you take your car in for repair...they charge over 90 bucks an hour...and yet most mechanics are paid a lot less than 20 bucks an hour...it's called greed!
again you didn't read the articles I posted so if you want to remain ignorant...don't show it here!

No its called a business and they are there to turn a profit and grow the company....cant pay employees and pay for tools and equipmement and overhead if you dont charge more than people earn.....jesus you really are a socialist.
 
....cant pay employees and pay for tools and equipmement and overhead if you dont charge more than people earn.....jesus you really are a socialist.

then quit crying about paying food stamps and etc....or immigrants coming to take those jobs...I know with your low IQ you won't take the time to read this either...you just want to cry!


1 in 10 Workers at This Big American Company Are On Food Stamps in This State
Jason Rossi,The Cheat Sheet Sat

When you hear the term ‘food stamps,’ what do you think of? In reality, more than 52 million people in the United States receive food stamps or other forms of public assistance every month. As it turns out, one out of every 10 Amazon employees in Ohio relies on food stamps to get by, but Amazon isn’t the only huge company with thousands of employees using SNAP. We’ll talk all about Ohio’s Amazon-related food stamp problem (page 5) and reveal two other major companies with thousands of workers on food stamps (page 7). ...
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/1b2...2139dd3853ef/1-in-10-workers-at-this-big.html
 
PAY VARIANCES Between CEOs & Hourly Employees (if you can't read & understand the grievance, then maybe you can look at the pictures)
I wonder how many of these graphs and reports and articles need to be posted UNTIL someone like Alanm starts understanding the grips of the modern American worker. When it comes to pay, if its not education, its age, or gender, or over-experienced, or some other excuse as to why employees can't be paid a fair, competitive wage that trends UP (as CEO pay) as employees are loyal to their companies.
Employers need to quit trying to bring the pay scales in the US down to that of 3rd world countries, and instead, start valuing & protecting our technologies that have make our country survive the end of the industrial age of economics.
We'd like to give THANKS where a major amount of thanks is due ..."Reagan's & Republican's Supply-Side, Trickle Down, Voodoo Economics"
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If you have no skill and no education then you shouldnt expect to make 20 dollars an hour. Just not how the world works.

Just what we want is a country full of janitors making 20 an hours ....America would go backwards in terms of civilization.

No incentive for education and to better yourself if you can make 20 bucks an hour sweeping a floor.
If we gotta pay all janitors and minimum wage employees $20 bucks then the cost of living will go up, the people they're cleaning for will have higher salaries, everything will get more expensive and taxes will rise to compensate for that.

McDonald's is introducing self-ordered kiosks so what's going to happen to the people demanding 15 an hour? They're going to get laid off because they're not all needed anymore. The higher minimum wage gets, the more layoffs will happen. What do they think is going to happen when AI becomes normal in twenty years?
 
If we gotta pay all janitors and minimum wage employees $20 bucks then the cost of living will go up, the people they're cleaning for will have higher salaries, everything will get more expensive and taxes will rise to compensate for that.

McDonald's is introducing self-ordered kiosks so what's going to happen to the people demanding 15 an hour? They're going to get laid off because they're not all needed anymore. The higher minimum wage gets, the more layoffs will happen. What do they think is going to happen when AI becomes normal in twenty years?


Unfiltered: ‘Raising wages [doesn’t] ******* jobs. It's just a thing rich people say to poor people.’


When Nick Hanauer was just 7, his ******* made sure he and his brother knew every aspect of the family business. Afterschool and summer vacation activities included doing small jobs at the family’s Seattle-based pillow and down comforter company, Pacific Coast Feather. “I’m pretty deeply acquainted with what that kind of work is and what it’s like,” says Hanauer, “but I’ve [also] worked sort of doing all kinds of jobs in a variety of companies.”

Today, Hanauer is a self-made billionaire. He made his money as a serial entrepreneur and venture capitalist and has also created a broad array of companies ranging from e-commerce software to biotechnology. Hanauer’s business acumen has allowed him to become one of the wealthiest Americans — the so-called 1 percent — but it has also made him an unlikely champion of the poor and a passionate advocate for the advancement of economic equality in the U.S.

“If you’re a middle-class person and feel like the country has left you behind, that is an objective truth. That didn’t happen by accident.”


Hanauer is aware that some form of economic inequality is an essential part of a healthy economy. “That’s not in dispute,” he says. The question, however, is how much of it should exist. In the late 1970s, the richest 1 percent of Americans shared only about 8 percent of the national income. By 2007, however, that number had grown to almost 23 percent, while the income share of the bottom 50 percent had fallen from about 20 percent to about 12 percent in 2015.

“It doesn’t take a mathematical genius to see that if that trend continues, we will no longer have really a capitalist economy or a democracy,” notes Hanauer. He believes there are multiple factors contributing to the probleme: trickle-down tax policies, dwindling overtime pay and decreasing wages. “There is no excuse for any company in America to pay their workers so little that they need food stamps, and Medicaid and rent assistance,” explains Hanauer. “This is bulls***.”

“That’s not capitalism. That’s socialism for the rich.”

According to Hanauer, all businesses share the same “econo-erotic fantasy”: “My customers will all be rich and be paid a lot by their employers. My workers, sadly, will not be paid a lot, so my margins are very high. I’ll exist in this world where my workers need food stamps, sadly, but my customers are wealthy enough to both buy my stuff and pay the taxes that will fund the food stamps.” Hanauer appreciates the appeal of the fantasy, but there is one problem: “If everybody gets that deal, then you have no economy anymore.” However, Hanauer believes this crisis is a direct result of “policies enacted by governments from both the right and left.”

When President Trump signed the GOP tax bill on December 20, 2017, he touted it as the coming of “jobs, jobs, jobs.” And while Republicans have said that the bill will benefit the middle class and spark job growth by giving corporations permanent tax cuts, Hanauer says that those claims are far from the truth. “Rich people no more create jobs than farmers create tomatoes. The economy generates jobs, not rich people,” he explains. “The more money consumers have, the more jobs that are created, because people buy things and people like me are required to hire people in order to meet that demand.”

In order for those consumers to get the money needed to buy the products, they would have to have that money in the first place — which is why Hanauer believes every state should institute a $15 minimum wage, which he successfully lobbied for in the state of Washington. “The idea that raising wages kills jobs lies in the face of all common sense. If people don’t have any money, who will buy the stuff?” And even though Hanauer was one of the first investors in Amazon, he holds Jeff Bezos to the same standard he would to any CEO who runs a successful business empire. “Until we collectively raise standards so that we require Jeff Bezos to pay his workers enough to get by without food stamps, it’s not his obligation to do that unilaterally,” he says. “Certainly, that’s not what Walmart is doing, or Walgreens, or any of his competitors … and I think that’s a problem.”

The availability of overtime is another area Hanauer believes should be a key labor protection for the middle class: In 1975, more than 65 percent of salaried American workers earned time-and-a-half pay for every hour worked over the week’s allotted 40 hours. By 2013, however, only 11 percent of salaried workers qualified for overtime pay — which means employees can be made to work over 40 hours a week without getting paid their time and a half.

Hanauer says this causes more jobs to be taken out of the economy and a softening of the labor market, making it harder for workers to negotiate higher wages. He explains, “If you do that 30, 40, or 50 million times across the economy, you have turned three jobs at 40 hours a week into two jobs at 60 hours a week, millions of times. That’s a way to … take 20 million jobs out of the economy.”

Ultimately, Hanauer believes people should call their elected representatives and demand policies that create wage-and-overtime increases and reject cutting taxes for wealthy corporations, “[Don’t] get conned by this trickle-down nonsense that raising wages kills jobs — It doesn’t. It’s just a thing rich people say to poor people to keep rich people rich and poor people poor.”

“It’s a lie. Don’t believe it.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/unfilter...ng-rich-people-say-poor-people-184825813.html
 
PAY VARIANCES Between CEOs & Hourly Employees (if you can't read & understand the grievance, then maybe you can look at the pictures)
I wonder how many of these graphs and reports and articles need to be posted UNTIL someone like Alanm starts understanding the grips of the modern American worker. When it comes to pay, if its not education, its age, or gender, or over-experienced, or some other excuse as to why employees can't be paid a fair, competitive wage that trends UP (as CEO pay) as employees are loyal to their companies.
Employers need to quit trying to bring the pay scales in the US down to that of 3rd world countries, and instead, start valuing & protecting our technologies that have make our country survive the end of the industrial age of economics.
We'd like to give THANKS where a major of thanks is due ... "Reagan's & Republican's Supply-Side, Trickle Down, Voodoo Economics"
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That doesn't count bonuses for the CEO's.
 
then quit crying about paying food stamps and etc....or immigrants coming to take those jobs...I know with your low IQ you won't take the time to read this either...you just want to cry!


1 in 10 Workers at This Big American Company Are On Food Stamps in This State
Jason Rossi,The Cheat Sheet Sat

When you hear the term ‘food stamps,’ what do you think of? In reality, more than 52 million people in the United States receive food stamps or other forms of public assistance every month. As it turns out, one out of every 10 Amazon employees in Ohio relies on food stamps to get by, but Amazon isn’t the only huge company with thousands of employees using SNAP. We’ll talk all about Ohio’s Amazon-related food stamp problem (page 5) and reveal two other major companies with thousands of workers on food stamps (page 7). ...
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/1b2...2139dd3853ef/1-in-10-workers-at-this-big.html

I never cried about food stamps what i am worried about is we are turning into a society of uneducated, unskilled workers who think they are entitled to a living wage just because they think they should be.
 
Unfiltered: ‘Raising wages [doesn’t] ******* jobs. It's just a thing rich people say to poor people.’


When Nick Hanauer was just 7, his ******* made sure he and his brother knew every aspect of the family business. Afterschool and summer vacation activities included doing small jobs at the family’s Seattle-based pillow and down comforter company, Pacific Coast Feather. “I’m pretty deeply acquainted with what that kind of work is and what it’s like,” says Hanauer, “but I’ve [also] worked sort of doing all kinds of jobs in a variety of companies.”

Today, Hanauer is a self-made billionaire. He made his money as a serial entrepreneur and venture capitalist and has also created a broad array of companies ranging from e-commerce software to biotechnology. Hanauer’s business acumen has allowed him to become one of the wealthiest Americans — the so-called 1 percent — but it has also made him an unlikely champion of the poor and a passionate advocate for the advancement of economic equality in the U.S.

“If you’re a middle-class person and feel like the country has left you behind, that is an objective truth. That didn’t happen by accident.”


Hanauer is aware that some form of economic inequality is an essential part of a healthy economy. “That’s not in dispute,” he says. The question, however, is how much of it should exist. In the late 1970s, the richest 1 percent of Americans shared only about 8 percent of the national income. By 2007, however, that number had grown to almost 23 percent, while the income share of the bottom 50 percent had fallen from about 20 percent to about 12 percent in 2015.

“It doesn’t take a mathematical genius to see that if that trend continues, we will no longer have really a capitalist economy or a democracy,” notes Hanauer. He believes there are multiple factors contributing to the probleme: trickle-down tax policies, dwindling overtime pay and decreasing wages. “There is no excuse for any company in America to pay their workers so little that they need food stamps, and Medicaid and rent assistance,” explains Hanauer. “This is bulls***.”

“That’s not capitalism. That’s socialism for the rich.”

According to Hanauer, all businesses share the same “econo-erotic fantasy”: “My customers will all be rich and be paid a lot by their employers. My workers, sadly, will not be paid a lot, so my margins are very high. I’ll exist in this world where my workers need food stamps, sadly, but my customers are wealthy enough to both buy my stuff and pay the taxes that will fund the food stamps.” Hanauer appreciates the appeal of the fantasy, but there is one problem: “If everybody gets that deal, then you have no economy anymore.” However, Hanauer believes this crisis is a direct result of “policies enacted by governments from both the right and left.”

When President Trump signed the GOP tax bill on December 20, 2017, he touted it as the coming of “jobs, jobs, jobs.” And while Republicans have said that the bill will benefit the middle class and spark job growth by giving corporations permanent tax cuts, Hanauer says that those claims are far from the truth. “Rich people no more create jobs than farmers create tomatoes. The economy generates jobs, not rich people,” he explains. “The more money consumers have, the more jobs that are created, because people buy things and people like me are required to hire people in order to meet that demand.”

In order for those consumers to get the money needed to buy the products, they would have to have that money in the first place — which is why Hanauer believes every state should institute a $15 minimum wage, which he successfully lobbied for in the state of Washington. “The idea that raising wages kills jobs lies in the face of all common sense. If people don’t have any money, who will buy the stuff?” And even though Hanauer was one of the first investors in Amazon, he holds Jeff Bezos to the same standard he would to any CEO who runs a successful business empire. “Until we collectively raise standards so that we require Jeff Bezos to pay his workers enough to get by without food stamps, it’s not his obligation to do that unilaterally,” he says. “Certainly, that’s not what Walmart is doing, or Walgreens, or any of his competitors … and I think that’s a problem.”

The availability of overtime is another area Hanauer believes should be a key labor protection for the middle class: In 1975, more than 65 percent of salaried American workers earned time-and-a-half pay for every hour worked over the week’s allotted 40 hours. By 2013, however, only 11 percent of salaried workers qualified for overtime pay — which means employees can be made to work over 40 hours a week without getting paid their time and a half.

Hanauer says this causes more jobs to be taken out of the economy and a softening of the labor market, making it harder for workers to negotiate higher wages. He explains, “If you do that 30, 40, or 50 million times across the economy, you have turned three jobs at 40 hours a week into two jobs at 60 hours a week, millions of times. That’s a way to … take 20 million jobs out of the economy.”

Ultimately, Hanauer believes people should call their elected representatives and demand policies that create wage-and-overtime increases and reject cutting taxes for wealthy corporations, “[Don’t] get conned by this trickle-down nonsense that raising wages kills jobs — It doesn’t. It’s just a thing rich people say to poor people to keep rich people rich and poor people poor.”

“It’s a lie. Don’t believe it.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/unfilter...ng-rich-people-say-poor-people-184825813.html

15 dollars an hour for minimum wage is blasphemy.....thats absolutely ridiculous.

Of course this guy has no problem advocating for a 15 dollar min wage...he is a billionaire. I would like to know if the min wage was raised to 15 dollars an hour in washington did all corresponding salaries that were not min wage go up accordingly....i doubt it. All that did was drive people making 18 or 19 dollars an hour that much closer to min. Wage. How do you think those people feel now....probably not to fucking happy.
 
I never cried about food stamps what i am worried about is we are turning into a society of uneducated, unskilled workers who think they are entitled to a living wage just because they think they should be.

who makes all those education cuts?...keep them uneducated and un skilled and they can compete with the immigrants is that it?
 
....Damn, subhub, you beat me to the response on that one. In NC the Republican run legislators have started robbing the lottery money being channeled to the public school system and putting it in a voucher/private schools program. Over $800,000 robbed from the public coffer thus far THIS YEAR alone. And guess what, most all the private schools are religiously run schools, thus Republicans have managed to trash the "separation of church & state" government here. Now a poor, single/divorced mom with 2 ******* not only has to cough up the difference of what the voucher doesn't pay for in tuition, they have to DRIVE their children to the schools (no buses), or move near them, comply to the school's religious requirements, buy uniforms, and to add insult to injury, most of the teachers are not even state accredited or licensed to teach.
....The ones that NEED to get educated are in Washington, I think, starting at the very top.
 
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who makes all those education cuts?...keep them uneducated and un skilled and they can compete with the immigrants is that it?

No no no....dont cry about the republicans and budget cuts. Thats a cop out. Its not the governments responsibility to educate and teach skills....its the individuals responsiblity to do it for themselves. No matter what. That kind of thinking is so backwards to me.
 
....Damn, subhub, you beat me to the response on that one. In NC the Republican run legislators have started robbing the lottery money being channeled to the public school system and putting it in a voucher/private schools program. Over $800,000 robbed from the public coffer thus far THIS YEAR alone. And guess what, most all the private schools are religiously run schools, thus Republicans have managed to trash the "separation of church & state" government here. Now a poor, single/divorced mom with 2 ******* not only has to cough up the difference of what the voucher doesn't pay for in tuition, they have to DRIVE their children to the schools (no buses), or move near them, comply to the school's religious requirements, buy uniforms, and to add insult to injury, most of the teachers are not even state accredited or licensed to teach.
....The ones that NEED to get educated are in Washington, I think, starting at the very top.

Sounds like a state problem.....need to get out of that state.
 
....Damn, subhub, you beat me to the response on that one. In NC the Republican run legislators have started robbing the lottery money being channeled to the public school system and putting it in a voucher/private schools program. Over $800,000 robbed from the public coffer thus far THIS YEAR alone. And guess what, most all the private schools are religiously run schools, thus Republicans have managed to trash the "separation of church & state" government here. Now a poor, single/divorced mom with 2 ******* not only has to cough up the difference of what the voucher doesn't pay for in tuition, they have to DRIVE their children to the schools (no buses), or move near them, comply to the school's religious requirements, buy uniforms, and to add insult to injury, most of the teachers are not even state accredited or licensed to teach.
....The ones that NEED to get educated are in Washington, I think, starting at the very top.

I am not gonna pretend i know all the problems that are going on in NC. But i have family there. And they live not far from a public school and they have buses. Not sure whats all going on in the rest of the state but your response seems very much like i expected. You guys always have an excuse and its always someone elses fault.

If you dont like the government in NC well your not alone. I dont like the one in PA either but it is what it is.
 
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