"The Donald"

Being a "believer" and being "one" are 2 entirely different things. It's as much of a difference as there is in reality & fantasy in the B2W or Cuckold worlds. Involving ones self requires commitments and sacrifices ... most people aren't willing to do that. Its easier to just sit on the sidelines and "pretend".
 
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People are only going to read what they want to read, or what supports their own position on matters. The old saying "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him *******" couldn't fit better to this.

Just my opinion, but the best way to provide this information is to respond in your own words (expressing your idea or the rebuttal to someone's post in as short of words as you can) and then providing the link that supports your idea or challenge. If the person disagrees with your post or comment that's supported by a link, they'll probably want to discount it anyways as a source of political biasness and it won't matter what the source is ... could be IRS, CBO, whatever. So, you might not change their opinion, but maybe you will shut them up on the subject.

I don't want to discourage your posts, Daphne because you're smart, opinionated, and tend to be unbiased ... that's hard to have all 3 in political type forums.
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A good part of the problems this country faces is that too many people seldom take the time to learn the facts. Most people tend to listen to whatever dogma that agrees with their reasoning or lack there of.
 
Love the newly "woke." It is already terminal velocity though. Most have already stopped caring, already desensitized and have turned a blind eye. It isn't like this is new. It is Trumps all the way down. He is just more cartoonish than they usually are. The People blew it long before now and whatever fate awaits is well deserved.
 
A comedic nuisance; his followers are like people that pull over to watch a roadside accident to see the mess while Trump considers it as more entertainment for, what else, "promoting the Trump" ... could just as well be another one of his new colognes or something.
It was all kewl for ReThugs when he was bashing Obama's birth cert years ago ... now its not so funny anymore. They're actually questioning their own party identity and core values.
Its time the Republicans shed the Reaganomics mentality and rediscover themselves; the T-partiers have helped drag them to a new low. "KARMA" in the making.
 
There's nothing more pathetic than a political party suffering a self inflicted wound and having absolutely no comprehension as to why, how or when it happened or what to do about it! More pathetic still is the GOP echelon are still blaming Obama for their own demise. They are totally devoid of even the minimum sensibilities of simply just going and look into the nearest mirror for the true culprits. In short, they've committed political susicide.
 
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A Trump victory could mean the end of the Republican Party

ref: http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-victory-could-mean-end-for-the-gop-2016-2

Donald Trump’s presidential campaign has put extraordinary strain on the Republican Party, and the cracks, long apparent to anyone paying attention, are starting to widen.


Early Monday morning, freshman Nebraska Sen. Ben Sasse posted a lengthy open letter to Trump voters on his Facebook page explaining that even if Republican voters nominate Trump for the presidency, he will refuse to vote for him.


Sasse posted his letter several hours after Trump declined multiple times to disavow the support of former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke and other white supremacist groups, and vowed that as president he would crack down on the press for reporting he disagrees with.


“If Donald Trump becomes the Republican nominee, my expectation is that I will look for some third candidate — a conservative option, a Constitutionalist,” he wrote. “I do not claim to speak for a movement, but I suspect I am far from alone.”


He continued, "Conservatives understand that all men are created equal and made in the image of God, but also that government must be limited so that fallen men do not wield too much power. A presidential candidate who boasts about what he'll do during his 'reign' and refuses to condemn the KKK cannot lead a conservative movement in America."


Last week, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell reportedly told Republican Senators that if Trump is the nominee, they should feel free to run on a platform opposing him in the general election in order to preserve Republican control of the Senate.


Influential voices in conservative circles are attacking Trump more and more loudly. Commentators like Erick Erickson and Ben Howe have said that they refuse to support him in the general election. Weeks ago, the National Review published an entire issue dedicated to taking down the billionaire former reality television star.


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But nobody has been more vocal about Trump’s threat to the GOP than Republican consultant Rick Wilson, whose angry, impassioned article, “With God as My Witness, I will Never Vote for Donald Trump” went viral last week.


Wilson has been speaking hard truths to the GOP since The Donald entered the race last June, and in an interview Monday, he dished out more: The Republican Party, he said, has to recognize that it may have lost hardcore Trump voters for good.


“Trump voters are informed by fury and alienation,” he said, a lot of which has been manufactured by a hard right conservative talk radio media establishment that, according to Wilson, has “monetized” the creation of outrage.


“They’ve been sold on ‘the stab in the back’ — the idea that the evil elites are betraying you over and over again,” he said.


“They’re a lost cause and may be lost forever,” he continued. Trump supporters, he said, “assertively reject” key conservative principles like limited government and checks on executive authority. “They want a strongman, they want a caudillo.”


He added, “They may be gone for good in terms of being part of the coalition.”


At this point, the Republican candidates that are left in the race, Wilson said, are not even trying to take away Trump’s voters anymore, but rather to consolidate the remainder behind a single candidate. That includes Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, who Wilson, a Floridian himself, supports.


To a longtime GOP activist like Wilson, watching Trump tear the party apart is obviously painful.


“This election, up on the debate stage we had two Cuban-Americans, an African-American, a woman,” he said. “This could have been a year when people were looking at the Republican Party as the aspirational mirror of what America is.”


Instead, he said, Trump has “distorted” the face of the party with appeals to bigotry, fear, and a sense of betrayal.


“I got in so much trouble last year when I said there is a ‘whiff of fascism’ about Trump,” Wilson says with grim humor. “Now, when people ask, ‘Is Trump a fascist?’ everyone says, ‘Of course he is.’”


This story was originally published by The Fiscal Times.
 
Nebraska GOP senator won't vote for Trump in general election

story on CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/29/politics/ben-sasse-donald-trump-endorsement/

Benjamin E. Sasse
Member of the United States Senate
Benjamin Eric "Ben" Sasse is a member of the Republican Party and a United States Senator from the state of Nebraska.

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Ben Sasse
AN OPEN LETTER TO TRUMP SUPPORTERS
*posted on his facebook page*

To my friends supporting Donald Trump:

The Trump coalition is broad and complicated, but I believe many Trump fans are well-meaning. I have spoken at length with many of you, both inside and outside Nebraska. You are rightly worried about our national direction. You ache about a crony-capitalist leadership class that is not urgent about tackling our crises. You are right to be angry.

I’m as frustrated and saddened as you are about what’s happening to our country. But I cannot support Donald Trump.

Please understand: I’m not an establishment Republican, and I will never support Hillary Clinton. I’m a movement conservative who was elected over the objections of the GOP establishment. My current answer for who I would support in a hypothetical matchup between Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton is: Neither of them. I sincerely hope we select one of the other GOP candidates, but if Donald Trump ends up as the GOP nominee, conservatives will need to find a third option.

Mr. Trump’s relentless focus is on dividing Americans, and on tearing down rather than building back up this glorious nation. Much like President Obama, he displays essentially no understanding of the fact that, in the American system, we have a constitutional system of checks and balances, with three separate but co-equal branches of government. And the task of public officials is to be public “servants.” The law is king, and the people are boss. But have you noticed how Mr. Trump uses the word “Reign” – like he thinks he’s running for King? It’s creepy, actually. Nebraskans are not looking for a king. We yearn instead for the recovery of a Constitutional Republic.

At this point in Nebraska discussions, many of you have immediately gotten practical: “Okay, fine, you think there are better choices than Trump. But you would certainly still vote for Trump over Clinton in a general election, right?”

Before I explain why my answer is “Neither of them,” let me correct some nonsense you might have heard on the internet of late.

WHY I RAN FOR SENATE

***No, I’m not a career politician. (I had never run for anything until being elected to the U.S. Senate fifteen months ago, and I ran precisely because I actually want to make America great again.)
***No, I’m not a lawyer who has never created a job. (I was a business guy before becoming a college president in my hometown.)
***No, I’m not part of the Establishment. (Sheesh, I had attack ads by the lobbyist class run against me while I was on a bus tour doing 16 months of townhalls across Nebraska. Why? Precisely because I was not the preferred candidate of Washington.)
***No, I’m not concerned about political job security. (The very first thing I did upon being sworn in in January 2015 was to introduce a constitutional amendment for term limits – this didn’t exactly endear me to my new colleagues.)
***No, I’m not for open borders. (The very first official trip I took in the Senate was to observe and condemn how laughably porous the Texas/Mexican border is. See 70 tweets from @bensasse in February 2015.)
***No, I’m not a “squishy,” feel-good, grow-government moderate. (I have the 4th most-conservative voting record in the Senate: https://www.conservativereview.com/members/benjamin-sasse/ http://www.heritageactionscorecard.com/members/member/S001197 )

In my very first speech to the Senate, I told my colleagues that “The people despise us all.” This institution needs to get to work, not on the lobbyists’ priorities, but on the people’s: https://youtu.be/zQMoB4aUn04?t=3m8s

Now, to the question at hand: Will I pledge to vote for just any “Republican” nominee over Hillary Clinton?

Let’s begin by rejecting naïve purists: Politics has no angels. Politics is not about creating heaven on earth. Politics is simply about preserving a framework for ordered liberty – so that free people can find meaning and happiness not in politics but in their families, their neighborhoods, their work.

POLITICAL PARTIES

Now, let’s talk about political parties: parties are just tools to enact the things that we believe. Political parties are not families; they are not religions; they are not nations – they are often not even on the level of sports loyalties. They are just tools. I was not born Republican. I chose this party, for as long as it is useful.

If our Party is no longer working for the things we believe in – like defending the sanctity of life, stopping ObamaCare, protecting the Second Amendment, etc. – then people of good conscience should stop supporting that party until it is reformed.

VOTING

Now, let’s talk about voting: Voting is usually just about choosing the lesser evil of the most viable candidates.

“Usually…” But not always. Certain moments are larger. They cause us to explicitly ask: Who are we as a people? What does the way we vote here say about our shared identity? What is actually the president’s job?

THE PRESIDENT’S CORE CALLING

The president’s job is not about just mindlessly shouting the word “strong” – as if Vladimir Poroshenko, who has been strongly bombing civilian populations in Syria the last month, is somehow a model for the American presidency. No, the president’s core calling is to “Preserve, Protect, and Defend the Constitution.”

Before we ever get into any technical policy fights – about pipelines, or marginal tax rates, or term limits, or Medicare reimbursement codes – America is first and fundamentally about a shared Constitutional creed. America is exceptional, because she is at her heart a big, bold truth claim about human dignity, natural rights, and self-control – and therefore necessarily about limited rather than limitless government.

THE MEANING OF AMERICA

America is the most exceptional nation in the history of the world because our Constitution is the best political document that’s ever been written. It said something different than almost any other government had said before: Most governments before said that might makes right, that government decides what our rights are and that the people are just dependent subjects. Our Founders said that God gives us rights by nature, and that government is not the author or source of our rights. Government is just our shared project to secure those rights.

Government exists only because the world is fallen, and some people want to take your property, your liberty, and your life. Government is tasked with securing a framework for ordered liberty where “we the people” can in our communities voluntarily build something great together for our ******* and grandkids. That’s America. Freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom of association, freedom of speech – the First Amendment is the heartbeat of the American Constitution, of the American idea itself.

WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT TO MR. TRUMP?

So let me ask you: Do you believe the beating heart of Mr. Trump’s candidacy has been a defense of the Constitution? Do you believe it’s been an impassioned defense of the First Amendment – or an attack on it?

Which of the following quotes give you great comfort that he’s in love with the First Amendment, that he is committed to defending the Constitution, that he believes in executive restraint, that he understands servant leadership?

Statements from Trump:
***“We’re going to open up libel laws and we’re going to have people sue you like you’ve never got sued before.”
***“When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. They were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak…”
***Poroshenko, who has killed journalists and is pillaging Ukraine, is a great leader.
***The editor of National Review “should not be allowed on TV and the FCC should fine him.”
***On whether he will use executive orders to end-run Congress, as President Obama has illegally done: "I won't refuse it. I'm going to do a lot of things." “I mean, he’s led the way, to be honest with you.”
***“Sixty-eight percent would not leave under any circumstance. I think that means *******. It think it means anything.”
***On the internet: “I would certainly be open to closing areas” of it.
***His lawyers to people selling anti-Trump t-shirts: “Mr. Trump considers this to be a very serious matter and has authorized our legal team to take all necessary and appropriate actions to bring an immediate halt...”
***Similar threatening legal letters to competing campaigns running ads about his record.

And on it goes…

IF MR. TRUMP BECOMES THE NOMINEE...

Given what we know about him today, here’s where I’m at: If Donald Trump becomes the Republican nominee, my expectation is that I will look for some third candidate – a conservative option, a Constitutionalist.

I do not claim to speak for a movement, but I suspect I am far from alone. After listening to Nebraskans in recent weeks, and talking to a great many people who take oaths seriously, I think many are in the same place. I believe a sizable share of Christians – who regard threats against religious liberty as arguably the greatest crisis of our time – are unwilling to support any candidate who does not make a full-throated defense of the First Amendment a first commitment of their candidacy.

Conservatives understand that all men are created equal and made in the image of God, but also that government must be limited so that fallen men do not wield too much power. A presidential candidate who boasts about what he'll do during his "reign" and refuses to condemn the KKK cannot lead a conservative movement in America.

TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT

Thank you for listening. While I recognize that we disagree about how to make America great again, we agree that this should be our goal. We need more people engaged in the civic life of our country—not fewer. I genuinely appreciate how much many of you care about this country, and that you are demanding something different from Washington. I’m going to keep doing the same thing.

But I can’t support Donald Trump.

Humbly,

Ben Sasse
Nebraska

ref: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=561073597391141&id=207425149422656
 
Personally, I'm PULLING for TRUMP ... Trump will totally destroy the existing ideology of the current Republican party. Just possibly, by getting majorly creamed in the next couple elections Republicans will review their platform and come up with something better than their "Trickle Down-Tax Cutting-Deficit Creating-Job Killing" economics.

Republicans USE TO BE a party that you could at least respect their views ... now they're a conglomeration of clowns ... and an embarrassment to the entire WORLD.
 
Trump is a ingenious political opportunist. I for one don't think he holds true to any of the so called hard-line policies he professes. He is a master of maneuvering the attention to focus on him, all the while distracting everyone from the fact he does not have an actual idea on how to implement them. He is an opportunist bc right now he has a pulse on the on the america populace and just how fed up they are with the GOP. They are so blinded by their in consolable rage towards the establishment that they are willing to pick someone who is the complete opposite; even if that complete opposite will regress our country 54 more years back
 
Donald is most definitely "playing" the Republicans, but they're the ones that created this clown; they had no problems when it was Obama ... I think its hilarious.
He's just another vulture capitalist doing what he does best ... I imagine they may pay him to get out of the race. But, he doesn't want the POTUS, he's just playing the hell out of the ReThugs.
 
MacNFries...I'm sorry to alarm you and everyone in this post, but consider the possibility as we did when he announced his presidential bid; that he is actually...wait for it...serious. Granted that sounds like a great opening to a end of the world scenario but seriously, we seem like intelligent folks here, how many times can we count the the donald out?! maybe its time we seriously starting thinking that clearly Rubio, and Cruz ( I won't even mention Caron, and Kasich whom I like) can fend him off. He will definitely be the republican presidential nominee and we go head to head with Hillary. You see Donald Trump is a textbook narcissist, in other words he isn't as difficult to read its just that we still hold out on this hope or optimism that the American people are truly that fed up. Never mind that his rhetoric is divisive and that he will ultimately break the hearts of those who believed in him; PEOPLE ARE PISSED!! Donald Trump as I agree with you is the antidotical response to an inadept congress and senate, a GOP who are more worried about job security than the american people, ultimately resulting in the perfect storm creating a lane for the ego-maniac sideshow known as Donald J. Trump to waltz right into the oval office.
 
Donald is most definitely "playing" the Republicans, but they're the ones that created this clown; they had no problems when it was Obama ... I think its hilarious.
He's just another vulture capitalist doing what he does best ... I imagine they may pay him to get out of the race. But, he doesn't want the POTUS, he's just playing the hell out of the ReThugs.

I'm afraid Jericodidthis3 may be right Mac. I think Trump wants to get the title President Trump.

Looks like you've got a pretty bad history of projections on this one. Here's one of yours from back in Oct telling us how he'll drop out before new years:

These words will still be here when Trump drops out of the Presidential race before New Year, so I WILL BE saying ... "I told you so!"

I predict Carson & Fiorina will be the GOP ticket because Republicans have NO IMAGINATION! And that is scary, for sure, as there are so many sheep voters these days.


Wait....just which year's new years were you thinking???

That was post 30 in the Why vote for Trump thread if you want to go edit/cover your tracks.
 
Yea....lol I have to look to january 20th 2017 to see Donald J. Trump sworn into office as president. The upside is perhaps from the ash and rubble will emerge a re-energized, refocused and inclusive republican party that will include, minority, women, and gay vote; or continue to see democracy decay and erode from the caricature who is on air ******* one.
 
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