This was response to our pal @subhub174014 and this is one success I mentioned in the "Go Trump" thread that answers your question @Subby
TAKE THE POLL: HOW LONG BEFORE TRUMP GETS IMPEACHED
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Cast your vote where you can leave an opinion or remain anonymous or not as to whether or not Donald Trump should be re-elected right here:
One vote only once and this poll will last for one week.
One vote only once and this poll will last for one week.
Trump 2020 ... MAGA
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More news, news with hard facts, continues to drip out on an almost daily basis now.
I'm pretty sure impeachment isn't happening. At least not in the context of this thread, which was largely fantasy and emotion. We might however see some indictments. And indictments that don't have much to do with the original thread, but in fact, on the other side of the aisle.
I'm pretty sure impeachment isn't happening. At least not in the context of this thread, which was largely fantasy and emotion. We might however see some indictments. And indictments that don't have much to do with the original thread, but in fact, on the other side of the aisle.
You have to let the Democrats try to pursue this route as there is no one running for the DNC leadership that Donald Trump can't defeat. In 2016 Donald Trump has shown that the election process is like a game of Euchre and Donald has all the TRUMP cards. ????????
HAHA - this ******* ain't over mofos.
No need to apologize about ******* cause I wasn't wrong on ANYTHING. MORE PROOF BELOW COMING!!! And no need to start another poll, this one will do just fine - the idiot in office is still under articles impeachment for being a crooked as a barrel of fish hooks which I knew he was from the outset.
So here we go again. I've been busy enough building my own business empires the legit and non-bankrupt way to worry much about mucking around in the mud with the plebs who are brainwashed by Faux news and this lying ass Pinnochio Nero Piece of crap who will watch the country burn down to save his own ass. His tenure of manure will be shoveled off to an end soon enough here. The Louisiana and Kentucky Gubernatorial elections which he stumped hard for and got a shellacking shows his luster is lacking now.
* * * REPLAY ON FACTS POSTED FROM FEB 2019 * * *
Washington (CNN)Roger Stone is known for hyperbole, but his latest graphic warning should worry Donald Trump.
The political trickster said Tuesday, a day he pleaded not guilty to seven charges laid by special counsel Robert Mueller, that Trump's presidency is in mortal peril because the Russia investigation amounts to a "speeding bullet heading for his head."
Stone's comment, to "Breitbart News Daily" on Sirius XM radio, added to soaring anticipation, fueled by a remark by acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker on Monday, that the probe could soon end with Mueller's final report.
And it raised the question of whether Trump's repeated claim of "no collusion" fired off in scores of tweets and comments to the press, is a sufficiently broad defense to the existential threat that Stone perceives from Mueller's work.
The indictment of Stone, Trump's longest serving political adviser, refocused attention on whether Trump and his team crossed legal and ethical lines during an effort to defeat Hillary Clinton in an election that featured a simultaneous Russian meddling operation.
The key question for Mueller has always been whether there was a criminal conspiracy by members of Trump's team to cooperate with Moscow's bid to make him President.
So far, he has offered no proof of such a bombshell finding, in a forest of indictments, court filings, one trial and convictions of people around the President in a probe that appears to be getting ever closer to the Oval Office.
If Mueller does establish such behavior, it would answer the puzzling question: Why have so many people around Trump -- at great costs to themselves -- repeatedly lied about ties to Russians?
Or, it's conceivable -- if the special counsel could conclude that though there was evidence of a cover-up -- it was not motivated by a desire to hide a crime, but was meant to spare Trump the political embarrassment of noncriminal links to Russia?
But even if that is the case, Mueller's voluminous filings and other publicly available information have established a pattern of behavior by Trump and aides that tore at norms of behavior during campaign season and shows clear disrespect for the integrity of a presidential election -- part of the fabric of US democracy.
It is likely to fall to the Democratic-led House to consider whether such activity is unethical and in such conflict with American values, that it merits further action -- potentially even impeachment.
A record of questionable electioneering
Acting AG Whitaker: Mueller investigation 'close to being completed'
There is already no doubt the Trump team was ready to go to extreme lengths in 2016 to win.
In one of many staggering revelations about Russia in 2017, The New York Times reported that Trump's *******, Donald Trump Jr., wrote in an email "I love it" when told a senior Russian official had "dirt" to hand over on Clinton in a subsequent meeting in Trump Tower in New York.
A more recent bombshell raised more doubts about the Trump camp's observance of electoral propriety. The President's former lawyer Michael Cohen admitted paying adult film actress Stormy Daniels a $130,000 hush payment in violation of campaign finance laws at the direction of the President.
Then, when Cohen pleaded guilty to a charge lodged by Mueller in November, he said he had lied about the duration of a project to build a Trump Tower in Moscow. He originally said discussions ended in January 2016 but corrected that to say they continued as late as June 2016.
That left open the possibility that Trump had not only lied when he told Americans he had no business ties to Russia, but that he saw his campaign -- a form of public trust when he should have been promoting America's interests -- as a way to grease the wheels to a deal worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
Another question that Mueller could clear up is why Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort offered proprietary polling data to Konstantin Kilimnik, a longtime business associate with ties to Russia intelligence.
The episode emerged from a botched campaign filing this month by Manafort's lawyers. It is not known whether the uber lobbyist was acting alone, possibly in an effort to funnel information to Ukrainian oligarchs to whom he was in debt.
There was immediate speculation that Manafort was acting at the behest of other campaign operatives and the polling data might have helped the targeting of social media disinformation campaigns in key swing states by Russian intelligence. Mueller alleged in a separate indictment that a Kremlin-linked troll farm spent millions to influence Americans on social media, though the charges did not describe any coordination with Trump's team.
Trump often showed disdain for accepted standards of behavior in campaigns. For instance, the then-Republican nominee called on Russia to find 30,000 missing emails from the private server Hillary Clinton used while secretary of state.
Later that day, according to a Mueller indictment, Russian intelligence operatives, spent hours trying to hack emails from a domain used by Clinton's private office.
In August 2016, Trump was personally warned by senior US intelligence officials that foreign adversaries including Russia would likely attempt to infiltrate his team or gather intelligence about his campaign.
In October, US intelligence agencies went public with findings that Russia had directed efforts by DCLeaks and WikiLeaks to release Democratic emails stolen by its spies.
Yet the candidate Trump repeatedly praised WikiLeaks for the emails that badly damaged the Clinton campaign from the stump.
"I love WikiLeaks," he said at one point.
The public warning from the intelligence agencies coincided with the release of an "Access Hollywood" tape that contained shocking audio of Trump making lewd comments about women.
Less than an hour later, Wikileaks dumped a new batch of emails that appeared to have been designed to take the sting out of an October surprise that threatened to derail Trump's entire campaign.
Jerome Corsi, a conservative author and conspiracy theorist, told CNN in November that Stone had called him several times that day to ask him to get in touch with WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to get him to release more material. Stone denies this.
Stone pleaded not guilty in court Tuesday to seven criminal charges of false statements, witness tampering and obstruction.
He was not charged with conspiracy, though the indictment described how Stone allegedly coordinated with Trump campaign officials about his outreach to WikiLeaks.
In one intriguing passage, Mueller alleged that "after the July 22, 2016 release of stolen (Democratic National Committee) emails by (WikiLeaks), a senior Trump campaign official was directed to contact STONE about any additional releases and what other damaging information (WikiLeaks) had regarding the Clinton Campaign."
The sentence sparked speculation about whether the person giving that direction, was Trump, or a member of his family. Even if it was Trump, it would not necessarily be a sign of a crime -- but could put him in jeopardy if he solicited information from WikiLeaks he knew was illegally obtained.
Stone is a flashing warning sign
Roger Stone enters not guilty plea
Even without clarity on whether the President directed Stone's activity, his presence close to Trump during the 2016 campaign is casting a suspicious light on the strategy the President pursued to win.
Stone is a link between the Watergate storm, when he worked for President Richard Nixon's notorious dirty tricks gang, and the Russia intrigue -- potentially the biggest Washington scandal since the one that felled the 37th President.
"Stone will do anything to win," Princeton University history professor Julian Zelizer recently said on CNN. "I think a lot of Republicans shudder to see him back in the news right now, literally flashing the Nixon signs and people are making that comparison between President Trump and President Nixon."
If Mueller does not establish the activity during 2016 adds up to a criminal conspiracy, Congress will have to decide whether it needs to act in defense of the US electoral system. If it does, it wouldn't be the first time, and lawmakers may look to history for guidance.
In an appendix to the final report of the Senate Select Committee on the Watergate scandal, which he chaired, North Carolina Sen. Sam Ervin defined that drama as an effort "to destroy, insofar as the Presidential election of 1972 was concerned, the integrity of the process by which the President of the United States is nominated and elected."
Should Congress decide Trump is guilty of a similar transgression, with or without a recommendation by Mueller, it must then work out whether it meets the standard of a high crime and misdemeanor, the standard for impeachment.
A debate is likely at that point over whether wrongdoing before a President is elected requires the ultimate sanction against a commander in chief.
After all, Nixon was already in office when the President's men set out to stain the integrity of the 1972 election.
Corey Brettschneider, author of the recent book "The Oath and the Office: a Guide to the Constitution for Future Presidents" says that a candidate who undermines elections cannot be taken seriously when they later take an oath to defend the constitutional system.
"Certainly, cheating in an election or committing illegal acts to influence an election not only undermines a future president's integrity, it represents an existential threat to democracy, especially when it comes to colluding with a foreign government," Brettschneider said.
"If Trump cheated on the way to becoming president, he betrayed his oath to defend the basic law that underlies our system of self government," he said.
CNN's Marshall Cohen contributed to this report.
REF: https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/30/politics/donald-trump-roger-stone-collusion/index.html
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IN THE IMMORTAL WORDS OF NIXON: "I AM NOT A CROOK"
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IN THE IMMORTAL WORDS OF NIXON: "I AM NOT A CROOK"
GUILTY AS INDICTED, CHARGED, AND SOON TO BE CONVICTED!
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The special counsel Robert Mueller's office indicted Stone in January on seven charges — one count of obstruction of justice, five counts of making false statements to the FBI and congressional investigators, and one count of witness tampering — in connection with his contacts with people linked to the radical pro-transparency group WikiLeaks. He was convicted on all seven counts on Friday.
After Mueller formally wrapped up his Russia investigation in March, the US Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia took over and continued to prosecute Stone's case.
Stone, an early informal Trump campaign adviser, had pleaded not guilty. He also emphasized that he would not testify against Trump, but left the door open to cooperating with prosecutors against others on the campaign who could have been ensnared in the Russia investigation.
The charging document against Stone contained a slew of details about Stone's false statements to Congress about his interactions involving WikiLeaks; about his extensive communications with the far-right commentator Jerome Corsi and the radio host Randy Credico about WikiLeaks' document dumps in summer 2016; and about his prolonged efforts to prevent Credico from testifying to Congress or turning over information to the FBI.
Trump reacted to the news of Stone's conviction with anger and dismay, suggesting in a tweet that many of his political opponents had also committed crimes.
As the verdict sheet shows, the five false statements counts the jury convicted Stone on were related to statements he made in a closed-door hearing before the House Intelligence Committee in September of 2017.
Specifically, Stone was found guilty of lying to Congress in the following ways outlined in the indictment:
The first charge against Stone listed on the verdict sheet for obstruction of proceedings included Stone's obstruction of congressional proceedings by lying to the Intelligence Committee both in written and in-person testimony.
Mueller's team scrutinized the many late-night phone calls between Trump and Stone that took place during the 2016 campaign. The calls drew prosecutors' attention as they investigated whether Stone or anyone else served as a conduit between Trump and WikiLeaks during the election.
Stone, whose links to WikiLeaks and its founder, Julian Assange, are well known, has said he never spoke with Trump about either.
Stone had exchanged Twitter direct messages with Guccifer 2.0, the Russian hacker who helped WikiLeaks disseminate stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee, as well as with WikiLeaks' main account in October 2016. And he was corresponding throughout that summer with Corsi and Credico about obtaining the hacked emails that had not been published online from WikiLeaks.
In an email dated August 2, 2016, Corsi told Stone he was in Europe and planned to return in mid-August. Corsi wrote: "Word is friend in embassy" — a reference to Assange, who was living in the Ecuadorian Embassy in the UK — "plans 2 more dumps. One shortly after I'm back. 2nd in Oct. Impact planned to be very damaging."
Corsi added that it was "time to let more than" the Clinton campaign chairman, John Podesta, "be exposed as in bed w enemy if they are not ready to drop HRC."
He added: "That appears to be the game hackers are now about. Would not hurt to start suggesting HRC old, memory bad, has stroke — neither he nor she well. I expect that much of next dump focus, setting stage for Foundation debacle."
Stone spoke with Trump on the phone later that day, though it's unclear what their conversation was about, the indictment said.
Stone came onto the political scene in the 1980s, founding a Republican political consulting firm and becoming a well known lobbyist.
He began working with Trump in the 1980s and initially pushed him to run for president in 1988. While Trump declined to run then, Stone was behind Trump's ultimately failed Reform Party presidential bid in 2000 and his successful 2016 presidential campaign.
REF: https://www.businessinsider.com/roger-stone-convicted-false-statements-witness-tampering-2019-11
* * * REPLAY ON FACTS POSTED FROM FEB 2019 * * *
Washington (CNN)Roger Stone is known for hyperbole, but his latest graphic warning should worry Donald Trump.
The political trickster said Tuesday, a day he pleaded not guilty to seven charges laid by special counsel Robert Mueller, that Trump's presidency is in mortal peril because the Russia investigation amounts to a "speeding bullet heading for his head."
Stone's comment, to "Breitbart News Daily" on Sirius XM radio, added to soaring anticipation, fueled by a remark by acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker on Monday, that the probe could soon end with Mueller's final report.
And it raised the question of whether Trump's repeated claim of "no collusion" fired off in scores of tweets and comments to the press, is a sufficiently broad defense to the existential threat that Stone perceives from Mueller's work.
The indictment of Stone, Trump's longest serving political adviser, refocused attention on whether Trump and his team crossed legal and ethical lines during an effort to defeat Hillary Clinton in an election that featured a simultaneous Russian meddling operation.
The key question for Mueller has always been whether there was a criminal conspiracy by members of Trump's team to cooperate with Moscow's bid to make him President.
So far, he has offered no proof of such a bombshell finding, in a forest of indictments, court filings, one trial and convictions of people around the President in a probe that appears to be getting ever closer to the Oval Office.
If Mueller does establish such behavior, it would answer the puzzling question: Why have so many people around Trump -- at great costs to themselves -- repeatedly lied about ties to Russians?
Or, it's conceivable -- if the special counsel could conclude that though there was evidence of a cover-up -- it was not motivated by a desire to hide a crime, but was meant to spare Trump the political embarrassment of noncriminal links to Russia?
But even if that is the case, Mueller's voluminous filings and other publicly available information have established a pattern of behavior by Trump and aides that tore at norms of behavior during campaign season and shows clear disrespect for the integrity of a presidential election -- part of the fabric of US democracy.
It is likely to fall to the Democratic-led House to consider whether such activity is unethical and in such conflict with American values, that it merits further action -- potentially even impeachment.
A record of questionable electioneering
Acting AG Whitaker: Mueller investigation 'close to being completed'
There is already no doubt the Trump team was ready to go to extreme lengths in 2016 to win.
In one of many staggering revelations about Russia in 2017, The New York Times reported that Trump's *******, Donald Trump Jr., wrote in an email "I love it" when told a senior Russian official had "dirt" to hand over on Clinton in a subsequent meeting in Trump Tower in New York.
A more recent bombshell raised more doubts about the Trump camp's observance of electoral propriety. The President's former lawyer Michael Cohen admitted paying adult film actress Stormy Daniels a $130,000 hush payment in violation of campaign finance laws at the direction of the President.
Then, when Cohen pleaded guilty to a charge lodged by Mueller in November, he said he had lied about the duration of a project to build a Trump Tower in Moscow. He originally said discussions ended in January 2016 but corrected that to say they continued as late as June 2016.
That left open the possibility that Trump had not only lied when he told Americans he had no business ties to Russia, but that he saw his campaign -- a form of public trust when he should have been promoting America's interests -- as a way to grease the wheels to a deal worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
Another question that Mueller could clear up is why Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort offered proprietary polling data to Konstantin Kilimnik, a longtime business associate with ties to Russia intelligence.
The episode emerged from a botched campaign filing this month by Manafort's lawyers. It is not known whether the uber lobbyist was acting alone, possibly in an effort to funnel information to Ukrainian oligarchs to whom he was in debt.
There was immediate speculation that Manafort was acting at the behest of other campaign operatives and the polling data might have helped the targeting of social media disinformation campaigns in key swing states by Russian intelligence. Mueller alleged in a separate indictment that a Kremlin-linked troll farm spent millions to influence Americans on social media, though the charges did not describe any coordination with Trump's team.
Trump often showed disdain for accepted standards of behavior in campaigns. For instance, the then-Republican nominee called on Russia to find 30,000 missing emails from the private server Hillary Clinton used while secretary of state.
Later that day, according to a Mueller indictment, Russian intelligence operatives, spent hours trying to hack emails from a domain used by Clinton's private office.
In August 2016, Trump was personally warned by senior US intelligence officials that foreign adversaries including Russia would likely attempt to infiltrate his team or gather intelligence about his campaign.
In October, US intelligence agencies went public with findings that Russia had directed efforts by DCLeaks and WikiLeaks to release Democratic emails stolen by its spies.
Yet the candidate Trump repeatedly praised WikiLeaks for the emails that badly damaged the Clinton campaign from the stump.
"I love WikiLeaks," he said at one point.
The public warning from the intelligence agencies coincided with the release of an "Access Hollywood" tape that contained shocking audio of Trump making lewd comments about women.
Less than an hour later, Wikileaks dumped a new batch of emails that appeared to have been designed to take the sting out of an October surprise that threatened to derail Trump's entire campaign.
Jerome Corsi, a conservative author and conspiracy theorist, told CNN in November that Stone had called him several times that day to ask him to get in touch with WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to get him to release more material. Stone denies this.
Stone pleaded not guilty in court Tuesday to seven criminal charges of false statements, witness tampering and obstruction.
He was not charged with conspiracy, though the indictment described how Stone allegedly coordinated with Trump campaign officials about his outreach to WikiLeaks.
In one intriguing passage, Mueller alleged that "after the July 22, 2016 release of stolen (Democratic National Committee) emails by (WikiLeaks), a senior Trump campaign official was directed to contact STONE about any additional releases and what other damaging information (WikiLeaks) had regarding the Clinton Campaign."
The sentence sparked speculation about whether the person giving that direction, was Trump, or a member of his family. Even if it was Trump, it would not necessarily be a sign of a crime -- but could put him in jeopardy if he solicited information from WikiLeaks he knew was illegally obtained.
Stone is a flashing warning sign
Roger Stone enters not guilty plea
Even without clarity on whether the President directed Stone's activity, his presence close to Trump during the 2016 campaign is casting a suspicious light on the strategy the President pursued to win.
Stone is a link between the Watergate storm, when he worked for President Richard Nixon's notorious dirty tricks gang, and the Russia intrigue -- potentially the biggest Washington scandal since the one that felled the 37th President.
"Stone will do anything to win," Princeton University history professor Julian Zelizer recently said on CNN. "I think a lot of Republicans shudder to see him back in the news right now, literally flashing the Nixon signs and people are making that comparison between President Trump and President Nixon."
If Mueller does not establish the activity during 2016 adds up to a criminal conspiracy, Congress will have to decide whether it needs to act in defense of the US electoral system. If it does, it wouldn't be the first time, and lawmakers may look to history for guidance.
In an appendix to the final report of the Senate Select Committee on the Watergate scandal, which he chaired, North Carolina Sen. Sam Ervin defined that drama as an effort "to destroy, insofar as the Presidential election of 1972 was concerned, the integrity of the process by which the President of the United States is nominated and elected."
Should Congress decide Trump is guilty of a similar transgression, with or without a recommendation by Mueller, it must then work out whether it meets the standard of a high crime and misdemeanor, the standard for impeachment.
A debate is likely at that point over whether wrongdoing before a President is elected requires the ultimate sanction against a commander in chief.
After all, Nixon was already in office when the President's men set out to stain the integrity of the 1972 election.
Corey Brettschneider, author of the recent book "The Oath and the Office: a Guide to the Constitution for Future Presidents" says that a candidate who undermines elections cannot be taken seriously when they later take an oath to defend the constitutional system.
"Certainly, cheating in an election or committing illegal acts to influence an election not only undermines a future president's integrity, it represents an existential threat to democracy, especially when it comes to colluding with a foreign government," Brettschneider said.
"If Trump cheated on the way to becoming president, he betrayed his oath to defend the basic law that underlies our system of self government," he said.
CNN's Marshall Cohen contributed to this report.
REF: https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/30/politics/donald-trump-roger-stone-collusion/index.html
* * * ANOTHER FACT * * *
FRIENDS OF FEATHER FLOCK & FLY TOGETHER.
IN THE IMMORTAL WORDS OF NIXON: "I AM NOT A CROOK"
GUILTY AS INDICTED, CHARGED, AND SOON TO BE CONVICTED!
* * * FACTS TO SLAP-YA IN THE FACE * * *
FRIENDS OF FEATHER FLOCK & FLY TOGETHER.
IN THE IMMORTAL WORDS OF NIXON: "I AM NOT A CROOK"
YOUR BOY TRUMP AND ALL HIS CRONIES ARE ALL CROOKS & WILL ALL BE CONVICTED.
NOVEMBER 15, 2019: TRUMP'S LONGEST TERM POLITICAL ADVISOR ROGER STONE WAS INDICTED & FOUND GUILTY ON ALL 7 COUNTS THE MUELLER TEAM CHARGED HIM WITH ON OBSTRUCTION, FALSE STATEMENTS, WITNESS TAMPERING RELATED TO CONNECTIONS WITH WIKI-LEAKS & RUSSIAN TROLL FACTORIES.
FRIENDS OF FEATHER FLOCK & FLY TOGETHER.
IN THE IMMORTAL WORDS OF NIXON: "I AM NOT A CROOK"
YOUR BOY TRUMP AND ALL HIS CRONIES ARE ALL CROOKS & WILL ALL BE CONVICTED.
NOVEMBER 15, 2019: TRUMP'S LONGEST TERM POLITICAL ADVISOR ROGER STONE WAS INDICTED & FOUND GUILTY ON ALL 7 COUNTS THE MUELLER TEAM CHARGED HIM WITH ON OBSTRUCTION, FALSE STATEMENTS, WITNESS TAMPERING RELATED TO CONNECTIONS WITH WIKI-LEAKS & RUSSIAN TROLL FACTORIES.
- Roger Stone was convicted on Friday in federal court in Washington, DC, of obstructing justice, making false statements to investigators, and tampering with witness testimony.
- The special counsel Robert Mueller's office indicted Stone in January on one count of obstruction of justice, five counts of making false statements to the FBI and congressional investigators, and one count of witness tampering.
- The initial charging document contained a slew of details about Stone's false statements to Congress about his interactions involving WikiLeaks.
- Mueller's team scrutinized the many late-night phone calls between Trump and Stone that took place during the 2016 campaign.
The special counsel Robert Mueller's office indicted Stone in January on seven charges — one count of obstruction of justice, five counts of making false statements to the FBI and congressional investigators, and one count of witness tampering — in connection with his contacts with people linked to the radical pro-transparency group WikiLeaks. He was convicted on all seven counts on Friday.
After Mueller formally wrapped up his Russia investigation in March, the US Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia took over and continued to prosecute Stone's case.
Stone, an early informal Trump campaign adviser, had pleaded not guilty. He also emphasized that he would not testify against Trump, but left the door open to cooperating with prosecutors against others on the campaign who could have been ensnared in the Russia investigation.
The charging document against Stone contained a slew of details about Stone's false statements to Congress about his interactions involving WikiLeaks; about his extensive communications with the far-right commentator Jerome Corsi and the radio host Randy Credico about WikiLeaks' document dumps in summer 2016; and about his prolonged efforts to prevent Credico from testifying to Congress or turning over information to the FBI.
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· Nov 15, 2019
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here's my verdict form. will try to report count by count.
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Trump reacted to the news of Stone's conviction with anger and dismay, suggesting in a tweet that many of his political opponents had also committed crimes.
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So they now convict Roger Stone of lying and want to jail him for many years to come. Well, what about Crooked Hillary, Comey, Strzok, Page, McCabe, Brennan, Clapper, Shifty Schiff, Ohr & Nellie, Steele & all of the others, including even Mueller himself? Didn’t they lie?....
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As the verdict sheet shows, the five false statements counts the jury convicted Stone on were related to statements he made in a closed-door hearing before the House Intelligence Committee in September of 2017.
Specifically, Stone was found guilty of lying to Congress in the following ways outlined in the indictment:
- Claiming hadn't exchanged emails with Wikileaks with third-parties like Credico and Corsi.
- Saying that Corsi was his only intermediary with Wikileaks.
- Denying that he asked Credico to be an envoy between himself and Wikileaks founder Julian Assange.
- Denying he communicated with Credico regarding Wikileaks altogether.
- Denying that he relayed his communications with Credico to Trump campaign officials.
The first charge against Stone listed on the verdict sheet for obstruction of proceedings included Stone's obstruction of congressional proceedings by lying to the Intelligence Committee both in written and in-person testimony.
Mueller's team scrutinized the many late-night phone calls between Trump and Stone that took place during the 2016 campaign. The calls drew prosecutors' attention as they investigated whether Stone or anyone else served as a conduit between Trump and WikiLeaks during the election.
Stone, whose links to WikiLeaks and its founder, Julian Assange, are well known, has said he never spoke with Trump about either.
Stone had exchanged Twitter direct messages with Guccifer 2.0, the Russian hacker who helped WikiLeaks disseminate stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee, as well as with WikiLeaks' main account in October 2016. And he was corresponding throughout that summer with Corsi and Credico about obtaining the hacked emails that had not been published online from WikiLeaks.
In an email dated August 2, 2016, Corsi told Stone he was in Europe and planned to return in mid-August. Corsi wrote: "Word is friend in embassy" — a reference to Assange, who was living in the Ecuadorian Embassy in the UK — "plans 2 more dumps. One shortly after I'm back. 2nd in Oct. Impact planned to be very damaging."
Corsi added that it was "time to let more than" the Clinton campaign chairman, John Podesta, "be exposed as in bed w enemy if they are not ready to drop HRC."
He added: "That appears to be the game hackers are now about. Would not hurt to start suggesting HRC old, memory bad, has stroke — neither he nor she well. I expect that much of next dump focus, setting stage for Foundation debacle."
Stone spoke with Trump on the phone later that day, though it's unclear what their conversation was about, the indictment said.
Stone came onto the political scene in the 1980s, founding a Republican political consulting firm and becoming a well known lobbyist.
He began working with Trump in the 1980s and initially pushed him to run for president in 1988. While Trump declined to run then, Stone was behind Trump's ultimately failed Reform Party presidential bid in 2000 and his successful 2016 presidential campaign.
REF: https://www.businessinsider.com/roger-stone-convicted-false-statements-witness-tampering-2019-11
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To quote the Great James Todd Smith:
"Don't call it a comeback
I been here for years
Rockin my peers and puttin' suckas in fear
Makin' the tears rain down like a monsoon
Listen to the bass go boom!
Explosion, overpowerin"
* FLASH REPORT FROM THE FUTURE *
LETS MAGA
To quote the Great James Todd Smith:
"Don't call it a comeback
I been here for years
Rockin my peers and puttin' suckas in fear
Makin' the tears rain down like a monsoon
Listen to the bass go boom!
Explosion, overpowerin"
* FLASH REPORT FROM THE FUTURE *
LETS MAGA
As long as POTUS Donald Trump follows the rules of the corporatocracies and others of influence just as Justin Trudeau did with severe political scandals plaguing his recent successful election campaign Trump will be re-elected just as much to the astonishment Justin Trudeau did as well despite discovering him in blackface on several occasions, despite being a self-declared feminist and a champion of women yet he fired 2 of his female MP's that did their best to protect his best interests, and of course SNC Lavalin.
"The power principle" , a documentary to absolutely watch so you a better understanding of what's going on. Take people's focus away from serious issues so leaders and corporate organizations have free pass to achieve their personal goals.
Download the video if you can so you can watch it and pause it whenever you want. It's not less then 4 hours.
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Download the video if you can so you can watch it and pause it whenever you want. It's not less then 4 hours.
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Impeachment is imminent.
Removal from office isn't going to happen.
Removal from office isn't going to happen.
Angelyn
Female
BBB76, I really loved your description of Trump's rule as 'tenure of manure'.
That said, I quite doubt that he will be removed from office.
I even do not want Trump to be removed from office and replaced with Pence. Because a Christian fanatic (I am not Christian) scares me more than a standard crude blowhard.
That said, I quite doubt that he will be removed from office.
I even do not want Trump to be removed from office and replaced with Pence. Because a Christian fanatic (I am not Christian) scares me more than a standard crude blowhard.
Angelyn
Female
I suspect only the democrats really want Trump removed.
The Republicans of course do not want that.
The right-leaning voters (eg Libertarians) probably agree that Trump may be dislikeable but he hasn't committed any crimes.
The left leaning voters (Green party types like me) are more scared of true religious nuts like Pence than of greedy conmen like Trump, so even if Trump shot someone on 5th Avenue, I would still not want Trump removed and Pence put in his place.
(Unless it is Pence who was the one that got shot, in which case Pelosi would be President, and that's quite ok with me and probably most Green party types. But if it was Pelosi that was shot by Trump, I would not want Trump impeached because that would make Pence president and Grassley next to succeed. The police can always arrest Trump the day he leaves office.)
You call Pence a religious nut! I will not debate this subject with you but I am a Christian, if this makes me a nut in your view than so be it.
first off….trump has very little to do with religion....broke about every commandment in the bible....so for anyone to say I am religious and support him for that....you are just deceiving your self
second he is being impeached for corruption and high crimes and misdemeanors…...throw in bribery and obstruction...something he is very guilty of
third as for making this some kind of practice for future presidents....we have laws supposedly against this already....and he has just done what he wants to fatten his own wallet...he has several lawsuits on breaking this law now.....No other president or administration has been as corrupt as this one
even the Reagan administration that saw several serve time in jail....none of it was done for personal gain..in their own twisted way they thought they were doing what need be done....even though congress had told them no
and the same people who are talking about blocking this and blocking that are the SAME ones that said the pres can't do that during the Clinton impeachment......Pompeo and graham are just 2
we have tried people for treason and sent them to the chair/gas chamber for a lot less than what this guy has done
second he is being impeached for corruption and high crimes and misdemeanors…...throw in bribery and obstruction...something he is very guilty of
third as for making this some kind of practice for future presidents....we have laws supposedly against this already....and he has just done what he wants to fatten his own wallet...he has several lawsuits on breaking this law now.....No other president or administration has been as corrupt as this one
even the Reagan administration that saw several serve time in jail....none of it was done for personal gain..in their own twisted way they thought they were doing what need be done....even though congress had told them no
and the same people who are talking about blocking this and blocking that are the SAME ones that said the pres can't do that during the Clinton impeachment......Pompeo and graham are just 2
we have tried people for treason and sent them to the chair/gas chamber for a lot less than what this guy has done
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Regarding Trump's impeachment process I'll leave that to America to sort out. Regarding Trump's breaking of commandments, haven't we all come short of the Glory? Haven't we all sinned at one point? Just being on this site damages all our halos to some extent? But of course somehow and someway Democrats are somehow exempt from Biblical condemnation and Republicans are somehow and in some fashion always guilty?
we are different....we have always held that office to a higher esteem...….and more so than most...….he has bragged lied and etc about all of it....and I think most on here have age limits...he doesn't and has bragged about that also.....and there was always a saying...if you can't believe the president who can you believe....so his breaking of whatever commandments and etc.....far out do what most on here have ever done or considered....that is not even going into his corruptions and etc.....so for any church member to say they support this man...….they are not a real religious person....I even posted a couple articles where people are breaking away from their church over support of this man....some call him the anti-Christ...some say he is a dema god.....whatever he is...it is not something people should look up to!
