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Here is an interesting article from NY Times. I copied it because they usually put these behind a pay wall quickly.

Yes I am shocked it came from the NY Time until the twisting at the end. Note the infection, population and death numbers.

In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart

Christina Anderson and Henrik Pryser Libell​

March 28, 2020

STOCKHOLM — When the coronavirus swept into the Scandinavian countries, Norway and Denmark scrambled to place extensive restrictions on their borders to stem the outbreak. Sweden, their neighbor, took a decidedly different path.

While Denmark and Norway closed their borders, restaurants and ski slopes and told all students to stay home this month, Sweden shut only its high schools and colleges, kept its preschools, grade schools, pubs, restaurants and borders open — and put no limits on the slopes.

In fact, Sweden has stayed open for business while other nations beyond Scandinavia have attacked the outbreak with various measures ambitious in scope and reach. Sweden’s approach has raised questions about whether it’s gambling with a disease, Covid-19, that has no cure or vaccine, or if its tactic will be seen as a savvy strategy to fight a scourge that has laid waste to millions of jobs and prompted global lockdowns unprecedented in peacetime.

By Saturday, Norway, population 5.3 million, had more than 3,770 coronavirus cases and 19 deaths; Denmark, population 5.6 million, reported 2,200 cases and 52 deaths; Sweden, with 10.12 million people, recorded more than 3,060 cases and 105 deaths.

A recent headline in the Danish newspaper Politiken, encapsulates the question ricocheting around Europe, “Doesn’t Sweden take the corona crisis seriously?”

There is no evidence that Swedes are underplaying the enormity of the disease rampaging across the globe. The country’s leader and health officials have stressed hand washing, social distancing and protecting people over the age of 70 by limiting contact with them.

But peer into any cafe in the capital, Stockholm, and groups of two or more people can be seen casually dining and enjoying cappuccinos. Playgrounds are full of running, screaming children. Restaurants, gyms, malls and ski slopes have thinned out but are still in use.

The state epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, said in an interview that Sweden’s strategy is based on science and boiled down to this: “We are trying to slow the spread enough so that we can deal with the patients coming in.”

Sweden’s approach appeals to the public’s self-restraint and sense of responsibility, Mr. Tegnell said. “That’s the way we work in Sweden. Our whole system for communicable disease control is based on voluntary action. The immunization system is completely voluntary and there is 98 percent coverage,” he explained.

“You give them the option to do what is best in their lives,” he added. “That works very well, according to our experience.”

Sweden’s method flies in the face of most other nations’ stricter strategies. India is attempting a lockdown that affects 1.3 billion people. Germany has banned crowds of two or more people, except for families. In France, residents are asked to fill in a form stating the purpose of each errand when they leave their homes; each trip requires a new form. Britain has deployed police officers to remind residents to stay home.

Still, while Sweden may appear to be an outlier in Scandinavia and in much of the wider world, it is too soon to say whether its approach will yield the same results as other countries’. And the Swedish authorities could still take stronger action as coronavirus hospitalizations rise.

In explaining Sweden’s current strategy, experts point to other underlying factors: The country has high levels of trust, according to the historian Lars Tragardh, and a strict law in the Constitution prohibits the government from meddling in the affairs of the administrative authorities, such as the public health agency.

“Therefore, you don’t need to micromanage or control behavior at a detailed level through prohibitions or threat of sanctions or fines or imprisonment,” Mr. Tragardh said in a phone interview. “That is how Sweden stands apart, even from Denmark and Norway.”

The government has deferred to the agency’s recommendations to fight the virus, which has infected more than 600,000 people and killed more than 27,000 worldwide by Saturday. If the health agency were to say that closing borders and shutting down all of society was the best way to go, the government would most likely listen.

Mr. Tragardh said Swedes’ level of trust was manifested in other ways: Not only do citizens have confidence in public institutions and governmental agencies and vice versa, but high social trust exists among citizens, as well.

That is evident in the country’s approach to the virus. Norway did not completely shut its 1,000-mile land border with Sweden, but most people returning from abroad must enter a two-week quarantine (Reindeer herders and daily commuters are exempt.) Finland closed the borders of its most populous region — which has 1.7 million people and includes the capital, Helsinki — for three weeks to fight the outbreak there.

Norway limited groups outdoors to no more than five people, and those indoors must keep a distance of more than six feet (except relatives). Denmark closed its borders, sent public workers home with pay and encouraged all other employees to work from home. It shut nightclubs, bars, restaurants, cafes and shopping centers, and banned gatherings of more than 10 people outdoors.

Sweden initially banned gatherings of 500.

Early in the outbreak, some event organizers suggested they would try to get around the crowd limit by allowing precisely 499 ticket holders into their venues. (That stopped when cases of Covid-19 were confirmed among staff members.)

Mr. Tegnell, the state epidemiologist, said that is why bans don’t work: “People find ways around the rules.”

He also said he did not believe Sweden was a maverick and did not understand its neighbors’ strategy. “Closing borders at this stage of the pandemic, when almost all countries have cases, to me does not really make sense,” he said. “This is not a disease that is going to go away in the short term or long term. We are not in the containment phase. We are in the mitigation phase.”

He also said that closing schools had not been ruled out.

The Netherlands, which reported more than 9,700 cases of the virus and 639 deaths by Saturday, is taking a similar approach to Sweden’s. On March 16, Prime Minister Mark Rutte said his country of 17.1 million was opting for a “controlled spread” among groups at the least risk of getting seriously ill. He argued that it was too late to shut down the country “completely.”

A majority of Swedes, 52 percent, support the measures to contain the virus, according to a survey conducted by the newspaper Svenska Dagbladet and published on Tuesday. But 14 percent said that too little consideration was being given to public health in order to benefit the economy.

There is growing concern as Swedes prepare to travel to their country houses and to the ski slopes for Easter, even though the public health agency has asked citizens to reconsider such trips. (Norway announced a “cabin ban” to prevent residents from going to their country homes.)

Even Prime Minister Mette Fredriksen of Denmark issued a warning about its neighbor on Monday: “Don’t go on a ski vacation in Sweden!”

Last week, a cluster of Covid-19 cases was traced to an après-ski party at a Swedish alpine center, Are, prompting officials to close an aerial tram and gondola and shut bars and nightclubs. Hundreds of Covid-19 cases in Scandinavia have stemmed from vacationers returning from ski trips in Italy — which has the most cases in Europe — and in Austria.

Now, there is a petition on social media to close the ski slopes.

Some Swedes have suggested that their country is deviating from most other nations’ response to hasten herd immunity, risking lives unnecessarily.

The public health agency denies this.

In the meantime, the infection curve in Sweden has started to rise sharply, and on Friday the government tightened the limit on crowds to no more than 50 people.

Some residents like Elisabeth Hatlem, a hotelier, are of two minds about the Swedish approach. She is grateful that she can keep her business open. But she and her partner do not like sending their six children to school amid the pandemic.

“For us, a total lockdown is a disaster,” she said. “But I am worried Sweden will explode at some point. I feel like I’m living in a huge experiment, and I was never asked if I wanted to sign up.”

Christina Anderson reported from Stockholm, and Henrik Pryser Libell from Oslo. Follow Ms. Anderson on Twitter @candersonSTO and Mr. Libell @hlibell.

 
Not preaching- Mocking your ignorant liberal attempt to pretend like you know what your talking about and your condemnation to Christians about how one should judge sin for your evil intentions.

No one on the right is trying to fuck anyone out of food, money or medical care. That is what socialist do.
Not preaching- Mocking your ignorant liberal attempt to pretend like you know what your talking about and your condemnation to Christians about how one should judge sin for your evil intentions.

No one on the right is trying to fuck anyone out of food, money or medical care. That is what socialist do.



 
Here is an interesting article from NY Times. I copied it because they usually put these behind a pay wall quickly.

Yes I am shocked it came from the NY Time until the twisting at the end. Note the infection, population and death numbers.

In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart

Christina Anderson and Henrik Pryser Libell​

March 28, 2020

STOCKHOLM — When the coronavirus swept into the Scandinavian countries, Norway and Denmark scrambled to place extensive restrictions on their borders to stem the outbreak. Sweden, their neighbor, took a decidedly different path.

While Denmark and Norway closed their borders, restaurants and ski slopes and told all students to stay home this month, Sweden shut only its high schools and colleges, kept its preschools, grade schools, pubs, restaurants and borders open — and put no limits on the slopes.

In fact, Sweden has stayed open for business while other nations beyond Scandinavia have attacked the outbreak with various measures ambitious in scope and reach. Sweden’s approach has raised questions about whether it’s gambling with a disease, Covid-19, that has no cure or vaccine, or if its tactic will be seen as a savvy strategy to fight a scourge that has laid waste to millions of jobs and prompted global lockdowns unprecedented in peacetime.

By Saturday, Norway, population 5.3 million, had more than 3,770 coronavirus cases and 19 deaths; Denmark, population 5.6 million, reported 2,200 cases and 52 deaths; Sweden, with 10.12 million people, recorded more than 3,060 cases and 105 deaths.

A recent headline in the Danish newspaper Politiken, encapsulates the question ricocheting around Europe, “Doesn’t Sweden take the corona crisis seriously?”

There is no evidence that Swedes are underplaying the enormity of the disease rampaging across the globe. The country’s leader and health officials have stressed hand washing, social distancing and protecting people over the age of 70 by limiting contact with them.

But peer into any cafe in the capital, Stockholm, and groups of two or more people can be seen casually dining and enjoying cappuccinos. Playgrounds are full of running, screaming children. Restaurants, gyms, malls and ski slopes have thinned out but are still in use.

The state epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, said in an interview that Sweden’s strategy is based on science and boiled down to this: “We are trying to slow the spread enough so that we can deal with the patients coming in.”

Sweden’s approach appeals to the public’s self-restraint and sense of responsibility, Mr. Tegnell said. “That’s the way we work in Sweden. Our whole system for communicable disease control is based on voluntary action. The immunization system is completely voluntary and there is 98 percent coverage,” he explained.

“You give them the option to do what is best in their lives,” he added. “That works very well, according to our experience.”

Sweden’s method flies in the face of most other nations’ stricter strategies. India is attempting a lockdown that affects 1.3 billion people. Germany has banned crowds of two or more people, except for families. In France, residents are asked to fill in a form stating the purpose of each errand when they leave their homes; each trip requires a new form. Britain has deployed police officers to remind residents to stay home.

Still, while Sweden may appear to be an outlier in Scandinavia and in much of the wider world, it is too soon to say whether its approach will yield the same results as other countries’. And the Swedish authorities could still take stronger action as coronavirus hospitalizations rise.

In explaining Sweden’s current strategy, experts point to other underlying factors: The country has high levels of trust, according to the historian Lars Tragardh, and a strict law in the Constitution prohibits the government from meddling in the affairs of the administrative authorities, such as the public health agency.

“Therefore, you don’t need to micromanage or control behavior at a detailed level through prohibitions or threat of sanctions or fines or imprisonment,” Mr. Tragardh said in a phone interview. “That is how Sweden stands apart, even from Denmark and Norway.”

The government has deferred to the agency’s recommendations to fight the virus, which has infected more than 600,000 people and killed more than 27,000 worldwide by Saturday. If the health agency were to say that closing borders and shutting down all of society was the best way to go, the government would most likely listen.

Mr. Tragardh said Swedes’ level of trust was manifested in other ways: Not only do citizens have confidence in public institutions and governmental agencies and vice versa, but high social trust exists among citizens, as well.

That is evident in the country’s approach to the virus. Norway did not completely shut its 1,000-mile land border with Sweden, but most people returning from abroad must enter a two-week quarantine (Reindeer herders and daily commuters are exempt.) Finland closed the borders of its most populous region — which has 1.7 million people and includes the capital, Helsinki — for three weeks to fight the outbreak there.

Norway limited groups outdoors to no more than five people, and those indoors must keep a distance of more than six feet (except relatives). Denmark closed its borders, sent public workers home with pay and encouraged all other employees to work from home. It shut nightclubs, bars, restaurants, cafes and shopping centers, and banned gatherings of more than 10 people outdoors.

Sweden initially banned gatherings of 500.

Early in the outbreak, some event organizers suggested they would try to get around the crowd limit by allowing precisely 499 ticket holders into their venues. (That stopped when cases of Covid-19 were confirmed among staff members.)

Mr. Tegnell, the state epidemiologist, said that is why bans don’t work: “People find ways around the rules.”

He also said he did not believe Sweden was a maverick and did not understand its neighbors’ strategy. “Closing borders at this stage of the pandemic, when almost all countries have cases, to me does not really make sense,” he said. “This is not a disease that is going to go away in the short term or long term. We are not in the containment phase. We are in the mitigation phase.”

He also said that closing schools had not been ruled out.

The Netherlands, which reported more than 9,700 cases of the virus and 639 deaths by Saturday, is taking a similar approach to Sweden’s. On March 16, Prime Minister Mark Rutte said his country of 17.1 million was opting for a “controlled spread” among groups at the least risk of getting seriously ill. He argued that it was too late to shut down the country “completely.”

A majority of Swedes, 52 percent, support the measures to contain the virus, according to a survey conducted by the newspaper Svenska Dagbladet and published on Tuesday. But 14 percent said that too little consideration was being given to public health in order to benefit the economy.

There is growing concern as Swedes prepare to travel to their country houses and to the ski slopes for Easter, even though the public health agency has asked citizens to reconsider such trips. (Norway announced a “cabin ban” to prevent residents from going to their country homes.)

Even Prime Minister Mette Fredriksen of Denmark issued a warning about its neighbor on Monday: “Don’t go on a ski vacation in Sweden!”

Last week, a cluster of Covid-19 cases was traced to an après-ski party at a Swedish alpine center, Are, prompting officials to close an aerial tram and gondola and shut bars and nightclubs. Hundreds of Covid-19 cases in Scandinavia have stemmed from vacationers returning from ski trips in Italy — which has the most cases in Europe — and in Austria.

Now, there is a petition on social media to close the ski slopes.

Some Swedes have suggested that their country is deviating from most other nations’ response to hasten herd immunity, risking lives unnecessarily.

The public health agency denies this.

In the meantime, the infection curve in Sweden has started to rise sharply, and on Friday the government tightened the limit on crowds to no more than 50 people.

Some residents like Elisabeth Hatlem, a hotelier, are of two minds about the Swedish approach. She is grateful that she can keep her business open. But she and her partner do not like sending their six children to school amid the pandemic.

“For us, a total lockdown is a disaster,” she said. “But I am worried Sweden will explode at some point. I feel like I’m living in a huge experiment, and I was never asked if I wanted to sign up.”

Christina Anderson reported from Stockholm, and Henrik Pryser Libell from Oslo. Follow Ms. Anderson on Twitter @candersonSTO and Mr. Libell @hlibell.




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Here is an interesting article from NY Times. I copied it because they usually put these behind a pay wall quickly.

Yes I am shocked it came from the NY Time until the twisting at the end. Note the infection, population and death numbers.

In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart

Christina Anderson and Henrik Pryser Libell​

March 28, 2020

STOCKHOLM — When the coronavirus swept into the Scandinavian countries, Norway and Denmark scrambled to place extensive restrictions on their borders to stem the outbreak. Sweden, their neighbor, took a decidedly different path.

While Denmark and Norway closed their borders, restaurants and ski slopes and told all students to stay home this month, Sweden shut only its high schools and colleges, kept its preschools, grade schools, pubs, restaurants and borders open — and put no limits on the slopes.

In fact, Sweden has stayed open for business while other nations beyond Scandinavia have attacked the outbreak with various measures ambitious in scope and reach. Sweden’s approach has raised questions about whether it’s gambling with a disease, Covid-19, that has no cure or vaccine, or if its tactic will be seen as a savvy strategy to fight a scourge that has laid waste to millions of jobs and prompted global lockdowns unprecedented in peacetime.

By Saturday, Norway, population 5.3 million, had more than 3,770 coronavirus cases and 19 deaths; Denmark, population 5.6 million, reported 2,200 cases and 52 deaths; Sweden, with 10.12 million people, recorded more than 3,060 cases and 105 deaths.

A recent headline in the Danish newspaper Politiken, encapsulates the question ricocheting around Europe, “Doesn’t Sweden take the corona crisis seriously?”

There is no evidence that Swedes are underplaying the enormity of the disease rampaging across the globe. The country’s leader and health officials have stressed hand washing, social distancing and protecting people over the age of 70 by limiting contact with them.

But peer into any cafe in the capital, Stockholm, and groups of two or more people can be seen casually dining and enjoying cappuccinos. Playgrounds are full of running, screaming children. Restaurants, gyms, malls and ski slopes have thinned out but are still in use.

The state epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, said in an interview that Sweden’s strategy is based on science and boiled down to this: “We are trying to slow the spread enough so that we can deal with the patients coming in.”

Sweden’s approach appeals to the public’s self-restraint and sense of responsibility, Mr. Tegnell said. “That’s the way we work in Sweden. Our whole system for communicable disease control is based on voluntary action. The immunization system is completely voluntary and there is 98 percent coverage,” he explained.

“You give them the option to do what is best in their lives,” he added. “That works very well, according to our experience.”

Sweden’s method flies in the face of most other nations’ stricter strategies. India is attempting a lockdown that affects 1.3 billion people. Germany has banned crowds of two or more people, except for families. In France, residents are asked to fill in a form stating the purpose of each errand when they leave their homes; each trip requires a new form. Britain has deployed police officers to remind residents to stay home.

Still, while Sweden may appear to be an outlier in Scandinavia and in much of the wider world, it is too soon to say whether its approach will yield the same results as other countries’. And the Swedish authorities could still take stronger action as coronavirus hospitalizations rise.

In explaining Sweden’s current strategy, experts point to other underlying factors: The country has high levels of trust, according to the historian Lars Tragardh, and a strict law in the Constitution prohibits the government from meddling in the affairs of the administrative authorities, such as the public health agency.

“Therefore, you don’t need to micromanage or control behavior at a detailed level through prohibitions or threat of sanctions or fines or imprisonment,” Mr. Tragardh said in a phone interview. “That is how Sweden stands apart, even from Denmark and Norway.”

The government has deferred to the agency’s recommendations to fight the virus, which has infected more than 600,000 people and killed more than 27,000 worldwide by Saturday. If the health agency were to say that closing borders and shutting down all of society was the best way to go, the government would most likely listen.

Mr. Tragardh said Swedes’ level of trust was manifested in other ways: Not only do citizens have confidence in public institutions and governmental agencies and vice versa, but high social trust exists among citizens, as well.

That is evident in the country’s approach to the virus. Norway did not completely shut its 1,000-mile land border with Sweden, but most people returning from abroad must enter a two-week quarantine (Reindeer herders and daily commuters are exempt.) Finland closed the borders of its most populous region — which has 1.7 million people and includes the capital, Helsinki — for three weeks to fight the outbreak there.

Norway limited groups outdoors to no more than five people, and those indoors must keep a distance of more than six feet (except relatives). Denmark closed its borders, sent public workers home with pay and encouraged all other employees to work from home. It shut nightclubs, bars, restaurants, cafes and shopping centers, and banned gatherings of more than 10 people outdoors.

Sweden initially banned gatherings of 500.

Early in the outbreak, some event organizers suggested they would try to get around the crowd limit by allowing precisely 499 ticket holders into their venues. (That stopped when cases of Covid-19 were confirmed among staff members.)

Mr. Tegnell, the state epidemiologist, said that is why bans don’t work: “People find ways around the rules.”

He also said he did not believe Sweden was a maverick and did not understand its neighbors’ strategy. “Closing borders at this stage of the pandemic, when almost all countries have cases, to me does not really make sense,” he said. “This is not a disease that is going to go away in the short term or long term. We are not in the containment phase. We are in the mitigation phase.”

He also said that closing schools had not been ruled out.

The Netherlands, which reported more than 9,700 cases of the virus and 639 deaths by Saturday, is taking a similar approach to Sweden’s. On March 16, Prime Minister Mark Rutte said his country of 17.1 million was opting for a “controlled spread” among groups at the least risk of getting seriously ill. He argued that it was too late to shut down the country “completely.”

A majority of Swedes, 52 percent, support the measures to contain the virus, according to a survey conducted by the newspaper Svenska Dagbladet and published on Tuesday. But 14 percent said that too little consideration was being given to public health in order to benefit the economy.

There is growing concern as Swedes prepare to travel to their country houses and to the ski slopes for Easter, even though the public health agency has asked citizens to reconsider such trips. (Norway announced a “cabin ban” to prevent residents from going to their country homes.)

Even Prime Minister Mette Fredriksen of Denmark issued a warning about its neighbor on Monday: “Don’t go on a ski vacation in Sweden!”

Last week, a cluster of Covid-19 cases was traced to an après-ski party at a Swedish alpine center, Are, prompting officials to close an aerial tram and gondola and shut bars and nightclubs. Hundreds of Covid-19 cases in Scandinavia have stemmed from vacationers returning from ski trips in Italy — which has the most cases in Europe — and in Austria.

Now, there is a petition on social media to close the ski slopes.

Some Swedes have suggested that their country is deviating from most other nations’ response to hasten herd immunity, risking lives unnecessarily.

The public health agency denies this.

In the meantime, the infection curve in Sweden has started to rise sharply, and on Friday the government tightened the limit on crowds to no more than 50 people.

Some residents like Elisabeth Hatlem, a hotelier, are of two minds about the Swedish approach. She is grateful that she can keep her business open. But she and her partner do not like sending their six children to school amid the pandemic.

“For us, a total lockdown is a disaster,” she said. “But I am worried Sweden will explode at some point. I feel like I’m living in a huge experiment, and I was never asked if I wanted to sign up.”

Christina Anderson reported from Stockholm, and Henrik Pryser Libell from Oslo. Follow Ms. Anderson on Twitter @candersonSTO and Mr. Libell @hlibell.




long story...short on reasons why trump is inept at our problems
 
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So you are saying you have no idea what you are talking about. All you can do is post this dribble.
 
So you are saying you have no idea what you are talking about. All you can do is post this dribble.


more of your twisted version of the posted facts.....odd most can read that and come up with one conclusion....you read it and come up with something so far out makes no sense at all....and yet in your mind it is...….
 
You didn't read it and it is less 3 pages. And had nothing to do with Trump.



not interested in what is going on in other countries...people dying all over the globe....I am not happy with the person that took and oath to protect us....and didn't


you are like Blkdlaur and a couple others....do or say anything to cover for trumps inability to do that job
 
I think it is...greed and corruption all this administration stands for

Well that is because you have no idea what is going on Sleepy Joe. part 2.

So if Trump is so greedy, as you delusion on, then why did he close travel from two of our biggest trade partners in direct opposition of your leftist Democrat and Democrat media accusations and demands to keep it open? If he is so greedy why did he close travel, one of the biggest sources of income for Resorts? That hurts his bottom line you so often try to use like it is bad.

You know your ideology of political correctness is responsible for most of the deaths in Europe. And would've killed many Americans if Trump listened to your party and its death/genocide cult ideology. The Democrats keep proving they are willing to *******, bankrupt and destroy Americans for illegal criminal immigrants and political correctness.
 
more of your twisted version of the posted facts.....odd most can read that and come up with one conclusion....you read it and come up with something so far out makes no sense at all....and yet in your mind it is...….

Who is most.... You sure are speaking for a lot of people and what they think. I think you said the same thing about Hillary winning.

I read it and saw it was bull *******. Hence why esquire, ny time and Washington Post and Huff Pro along with most liberal sources are only in business because big liberal corporations or billionaires pay for them. NY Times and Esquire are both bankrupt. No circulation. You didn't read it anyway with all those words and all.

Anyone who is a pragmatist skeptic or was taught critical thinking and up on news would ask the same questions. Only people know as low information buy this *******. Watch the 'man' on the street interviews with Jay Leno or any college students ask about political anything and see your peers fail at basic understanding and logic.
 
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not interested in what is going on in other countries...people dying all over the globe....I am not happy with the person that took and oath to protect us....and didn't


you are like Blkdlaur and a couple others....do or say anything to cover for trumps inability to do that job

So you just admitted you are absolutely afraid of learning. You're totally and utterly petrified of your marxism being wrong.

You are the perfect democrat. "Don't confuse me with facts." "Orange Man bad, Don't know why Orange Man bad.....Media Master and Communist.. Opps Me mean Democrat Party told me Orange Man Bad...."
 
Here is one for you Subhub… I know it is right wing but it is quoting CNN.

"Inconveniently for the former Vice President, CNN published a story on Friday evening which cites ten occasions when the Government was warned by agencies between 2003 and 2013 about a lack of ventilators in the event of a pandemic. Neither the Bush, nor the Obama administrations acted on any of those warnings."

"Actually CNN begins their article by, of course, bashing Trump. They cite a 2017 study jointly funded by the NIH and the CDC which found, “substantial concern exists that intensive care units (ICUs) might have insufficient resources to treat all persons requiring ventilator support” and that even the supplies held in the so-called Strategic National Stockpile “might not suffice to meet demand during a severe public health emergency.”

The article lists the ten studies which took place between 2003 and 2013 and can be viewed here.

CNN spoke to Marcia Crosse, who worked at the Government Accountability Office from 1983 to 2018. Prior to her retirement, she was serving as the director of health care. She told CNN:

There has always been a concern about a respiratory illness, readily transmittable, emerging as an infectious disease. During global outbreaks of H1N1, SARS and MERS, we dodged the bullet time and again.
But the CDC has been well aware, HHS has been well aware, the intelligence community has been well aware of the risk. Of course, nobody would know the specific details, we didn’t know it would be a coronavirus from China, but the threat of a respiratory illness was known."

Wait professional government knew for sure in 2003- "But the CDC has been well aware, HHS has been well aware, the intelligence community has been well aware of the risk."

Wait does this mean government was funded and knew about this issue and failed to fix it. Failed to be ready for the next pandemic.

I can almost see SubHub's head twitching like those West World robots just before their heads explode. quick twitch quick twitch pop.
 
So you just admitted you are absolutely afraid of learning. You're totally and utterly petrified of your marxism being wrong.

You are the perfect democrat. "Don't confuse me with facts." "Orange Man bad, Don't know why Orange Man bad.....Media Master and Communist.. Opps Me mean Democrat Party told me Orange Man Bad...."
You are doing a fine Job. I read his rants and he don't allow anything into his stubborn closed mind. I Don't think he truly understands the truth we are sharing with him. TRUMP bad Trump stupid Trump racist Trump greedy Trump crooked, we get it he hates Trump because he is President and Republican, if he was President and a Democrat Sub would love him.
 
Well that is because you have no idea what is going on Sleepy Joe. part 2.

So if Trump is so greedy, as you delusion on, then why did he close travel from two of our biggest trade partners in direct opposition of your leftist Democrat and Democrat media accusations and demands to keep it open? If he is so greedy why did he close travel, one of the biggest sources of income for Resorts? That hurts his bottom line you so often try to use like it is bad.

You know your ideology of political correctness is responsible for most of the deaths in Europe. And would've killed many Americans if Trump listened to your party and its death/genocide cult ideology. The Democrats keep proving they are willing to *******, bankrupt and destroy Americans for illegal criminal immigrants and political correctness.


he didn't close *******...he restricted....so his big biz pals could continue to bring the ******* in!

you didn't read the klepto did you....you and your support of facism…..you really do have a serious problem...*******...who supports the death penalty?...….Bankrupt....who makes those laws that do that certainly not the workers...it all those republican lawyers!.....destroy nothing....just doing what the country was founded on...equal rights..civil liberites and etc....something the right keeps taking away....immigrants?....they deserve the same shot that everyone else got...are you American indian?...they do not desreve to be imprisoned and have their children taken away...political correctness...anything like your voter restriction laws and etc...….you know this country started on the premise that no taxation without representation......and your party is taking that away from alot


go pound sand in someone else's ass....you are to full of ******* to see straight
 
You are doing a fine Job. I read his rants and he don't allow anything into his stubborn closed mind. I Don't think he truly understands the truth we are sharing with him. TRUMP bad Trump stupid Trump racist Trump greedy Trump crooked, we get it he hates Trump because he is President and Republican, if he was President and a Democrat Sub would love him.



you are just pissed because I told you that you are not Christian......knows all about the bible....and yet ignores it teachings.....I could go off on several other issues you "lack" on...but that is one you have been on all day...and mad that I corrected you on
 
Here is one for you Subhub… I know it is right wing but it is quoting CNN.

"Inconveniently for the former Vice President, CNN published a story on Friday evening which cites ten occasions when the Government was warned by agencies between 2003 and 2013 about a lack of ventilators in the event of a pandemic. Neither the Bush, nor the Obama administrations acted on any of those warnings."

"Actually CNN begins their article by, of course, bashing Trump. They cite a 2017 study jointly funded by the NIH and the CDC which found, “substantial concern exists that intensive care units (ICUs) might have insufficient resources to treat all persons requiring ventilator support” and that even the supplies held in the so-called Strategic National Stockpile “might not suffice to meet demand during a severe public health emergency.”

The article lists the ten studies which took place between 2003 and 2013 and can be viewed here.

CNN spoke to Marcia Crosse, who worked at the Government Accountability Office from 1983 to 2018. Prior to her retirement, she was serving as the director of health care. She told CNN:



Wait professional government knew for sure in 2003- "But the CDC has been well aware, HHS has been well aware, the intelligence community has been well aware of the risk."

Wait does this mean government was funded and knew about this issue and failed to fix it. Failed to be ready for the next pandemic.

I can almost see SubHub's head twitching like those West World robots just before their heads explode. quick twitch quick twitch pop.



let me guess who put that out...….means nothing really since we are short on so many things with all these budget cuts the right likes to impose...…..we can't even cover the checks we write....and trump taking it a lot further...….try again....you are not doing real well today...or the day before...nor the day before come to think of it
 
you are just pissed because I told you that you are not Christian......knows all about the bible....and yet ignores it teachings.....I could go off on several other issues you "lack" on...but that is one you have been on all day...and mad that I corrected you on


I will get to your other post in a bit.

But first why don't you tell us about the Teachings? No don't copy some left wing bs. You in your own words in coherent sentences tell us, in depth, about the teaching of the Bible.
 
thank your local GOP for this




7 facts that show the American Dream is dead



A recent poll showed that more than half of all people in this country don’t believe that the American dream is real. Fifty-nine percent of those polled in June agreed that “the American dream has become impossible for most people to achieve.” More and more Americans believe there is “not much opportunity” to get ahead.

The public has reached this conclusion for a very simple reason: It’s true. The key elements of the American dream—a living wage, retirement security, the opportunity for one’s children to get ahead in life—are now unreachable for all but the wealthiest among us. And it’s getting worse. As inequality increases, the fundamental elements of the American dream are becoming increasingly unaffordable for the majority.


1. Most people can’t get ahead financially.


If the American dream means a reasonable rate of income growth for working people, most people can’t expect to achieve it.


As Ben Casselman observes at fivethirtyeight.com, the middle class hasn’t seen its wage rise in 15 years. In fact, the percentage of middle-class households in this nation is actually falling. Median household income has fallen since the financial crisis of 2008, while income for the wealthiest of Americans has actually risen.

Thomas Edsall wrote in the New York Times that “Not only has the wealth of the very rich doubled since 2000, but corporate revenues are at record levels.” Edsall also observed that, “In 2013, according to Goldman Sachs, corporate profits rose five times faster than wages.”

2. The stay-at-home parent is a thing of the past.

There was a time when middle-class families could lead a comfortable lifestyle on one person’s earnings. One parent could work while the other stayed home with the *******.


Those days are gone. As Elizabeth Warren and co-author Amelia Warren Tyagi documented in their 2003 book, The Two-Income Trap, the increasing number of two-earner families was matched by rising costs in a number of areas such as education, home costs and transportation.

These cost increases, combined with wage stagnation, mean that families are struggling to make ends meet—and that neither parent has the luxury of staying home any longer. In fact, parenthood has become a financial risk. Warren and Tyagi write that “Having a baby is now the single best predictor that a woman will end up in financial collapse.” This book was written over a decade ago; things are even worse today.

3. The rich are more debt-free. Others have no choice.

Most Americans are falling behind anyway, as their salary fails to keep up with their expenses
. No wonder debt is on the rise. As Joshua Freedman and Sherle R. Schwenninger observe in a paper for the New America Foundation, “American households… have become dependent on debt to maintain their standard of living in the face of stagnant wages.”

This “debt-dependent economy,” as Freedman and Schwenninger call it, has negative implications for the nation as a whole. But individual families are suffering too.

Rani Molla of the Wall Street Journal notes that “Over the past 20 years the average increase in spending on some items has exceeded the growth of incomes. The gap is especially poignant for those under 25 years old.”

There are increasingly two classes of Americans: Those who are taking on additional debt, and the rich.

4. Student debt is crushing a generation of non-wealthy Americans.

Education for every American who wants to get ahead? Forget about it. Nowadays you have to be rich to get a college education; that is, unless you want to begin your career with a mountain of debt.
Once you get out of college, you’ll quickly discover that the gap between spending and income is greatest for people under 25 years of age.

Education, as Forbes columnist Steve Odland put it in 2012, is “the great equalizer… the facilitator of the American dream.” But at that point college costs had risen 500 percent since 1985, while the overall consumer price index rose by 115 percent. As of 2013, tuition at a private university was projected to cost nearly $130,000 on average over four years, and that’s not counting food, lodging, books, or other expenses.

Public colleges and universities have long been viewed as the get-ahead option for all Americans, including the poorest among us. Not anymore. The University of California was once considered a national model for free, high-quality public education, but today tuition at UC Berkeley is $12,972 per year. (It was tuition-free until Ronald Reagan became governor.) Room and board is $14,414. The total cost of on-campus attendance at Berkeley, including books and other items, is estimated to be $32,168.

The California story has been repeated across the country, as state cutbacks in the wake of the financial crisis caused the cost of public higher education to soar by 15 percent in a two-year period. With a median national household income of $51,000, even public colleges are quickly becoming unaffordable

Sure, there are still some scholarships and grants available. But even as college costs rise, the availability of those programs is falling, leaving middle-class and lower-income students further in debt as out-of-pocket costs rise.

5. Vacations aren’t for the likes of you anymore.

Think you’d like to have a nice vacation? Think again. According to a 2012 American Express survey, Americans who were planning vacations expected to spend an average of $1,180 per person. That’s $4,720 for a family of four. But then, why worry about paying for that vacation? If you’re unemployed, you can’t afford it. And even if you have a job, there’s a good chance you won’t get the time off anyway.

As the Center for Economic and Policy Research found in 2013, the United States is the only advanced economy in the world that does not require employers to offer paid vacations to their workers. The number of paid holidays and vacation days received by the average worker in this country (16) would not meet the statutory minimum requirements in 19 other developed countries, according to the CEPR. Thirty-one percent of workers in smaller businesses had no paid vacation days at all.

The CEPR also found that 14 percent of employees at larger corporations also received no paid vacation days. Overall, roughly one in four working Americans gets no vacation time at all.

Rep. Alan Grayson, who has introduced the Paid Vacation Act, correctly notes that the average working American now spends 176 hours more per year on the job than was the case in 1976.

Between the pressure to work more hours and the cost of vacation, even people who do get vacation time—at least on paper—are hard-pressed to take any time off. That’s why 175 million vacation days go unclaimed each year.

6. Even with health insurance, medical care is increasingly unaffordable for most people.

Medical care when you need it? That’s for the wealthy.

The Affordable Care Act was designed to increase the number of Americans who are covered by health insurance. But health coverage in this country is the worst of any highly developed nation—and that’s for people who have health insurance.

Every year the Milliman actuarial firm analyzes the average costs of medical care, including the household’s share of insurance premiums and out-of-pocket costs, for a family of four with the kind of insurance that is considered higher quality coverage in this country: a PPO plan which allows them to use a wider range of healthcare providers.

Even as overall wealth in this country has shifted upward, away from middle-class families, the cost of medical care is increasingly being borne by the families themselves. As the Milliman study shows, the employer-funded portion of healthcare costs has risen 52 percent since 2007, the first year of the recession. But household costs have risen by a staggering 73 percent, or 8 percent per year, and now average $9,144. In the same time period, Census Bureau figures show that median household income has fallen 8 percent.

That means that household healthcare costs are skyrocketing even as income falls dramatically.


The recent claims of “lowered healthcare costs” are misleading. While the rate of increase is slowing down, healthcare costs are continuing to increase. And the actual cost to working Americans is increasing even faster, as corporations continue to maximize their record profits by shifting healthcare costs onto consumers. This shift is expected to accelerate as the result of a misguided provision in the Affordable Care Act which will tax higher-cost plans.

According to an OECD survey, the number of Americans who report going without needed healthcare in the past year because of cost was higher than in 10 comparable countries. This was true for both lower-income and higher-income Americans, suggesting that insured Americans are also feeling the pinch when it comes to getting medical treatment.

As inequality worsens, wages continue to stagnate, and more healthcare costs are placed on the backs of working families, more and more Americans will find medical care unaffordable.

7. Americans can no longer look forward to a secure retirement.

Want to retire when you get older, as earlier generations did, and enjoy a secure life after a lifetime of hard work? You’ll get to… if you’re rich.


There was a time when most middle-class Americans could work until they were 65 and then look forward to a financially secure retirement. Corporate pensions guaranteed a minimum income for the remainder of their life. Those pensions, coupled with Social Security income and a lifetime’s savings, assured that these ordinary Americans could spend their senior years in modest comfort.

No longer. As we have already seen, rising expenses means most Americans are buried in debt rather than able to accumulate modest savings. That’s the main reason why 20 percent of Americans who are nearing retirement age haven’t saved for their post-working years.

Meanwhile, corporations are gutting these pension plans in favor of far less general programs. The financial crisis of 2008, driven by the greed of Wall Street one percenters, robbed most American household of their primary assets. And right-wing “centrists” of both parties, not satisfied with the rising retirement age which has already cut the program’s benefits, continue to press for even deeper cuts to the program.

One group, Natixis Global Asset Management, ranks the United States 19th among developed countries when it comes to retirement security. The principal reasons the US ranks so poorly are 1) the weakness of our pension programs; and 2) the stinginess of our healthcare system, which even with Medicare for the elderly, is far weaker than that of nations such as Austria.

Economists used to speak of retirement security as a three-legged stool. Pensions were one leg of the stool, savings were another and Social Security was the third. Today two legs of the stool have been shattered, and anti-Social Security advocates are sawing away at the third.

Conclusion



Vacations; an education; staying home to raise your *******; a life without crushing debt; seeing the doctor when you don’t feel well; a chance to retire:
one by one, these mainstays of middle-class life are disappearing for most Americans. Until we demand political leadership that will do something about it, they’re not coming back.

Can the American dream be restored? Yes, but it will take concerted effort to address two underlying problems. First, we must end the domination of our electoral process by wealthy and powerful elites.

At the same time, we must begin to address the problem of growing economic inequality.
Without a national movement to call for change, change simply isn’t going to happen.
 
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