Trump wins

I think you're way too naive on the seriousness of what's going on in the Trump administration. Nothing like what's going on there has ever happened in the history of this country. Its so serious that Mueller is carefully constructing his case against Trump & company. But, I don't expect conservatives to believe anything going on ... denial, maybe?

If you have some inside information, please share. How long do you think it should take to come up with something concrete? It's been over a year and all Mueller has done is show more evidence against the Democrats than he has Trump. You think Mueller is going to hold onto the smoking gun and give everyone a year to cover their tracks? The truth will never come out, it would be a huge black stain on the US government and probably wipe out 80% of Washington. Not to mention it would leave a mark on your God-king Obama. The only one who is naive Mac, is you. The best we can hope for will be a handful of nobodies getting arrested and the media will continue to point the finger with about 10 different conspiracy theories. It's not denial, it's just the way life is among the elites.

Personally I would love to see some hard evidence and the "men in black" march into the White house and arrest all those involved. It would reassure me that the "system still works". But instead we will just get little drama bits and drama pieces from the biased media and life goes on as usual.
 
How long do you think it should take to come up with something concrete? I
.....Gee, TwoBi, cut him some slack, would you? I mean, if Democrats had interfered with Hillary's 3 years & 9 committee Benghazi investigations you and your forum hinchmen would have raised mortal hell. This is a sitting President, man ... its not like you just walk in, like Republicans did, and start finger pointing false accusations ... how many YEARS did Trump & selective sitting Republicans point a fingers and false accusations at President Obama? Did you ever post ANYTHING about WHEN those accusations were going to produce fruit? nooooooo! Besides, already, several of his administration have now confessed and are facing prison time. I think you're just wanting this to go away to the good of the party. You surely can't believe, with all the lies Trump & company have been caught in (daily) that there's not some truth to the charges facing Trump? Do you?
,,,,,One year, you say ... hahahaha! I guess I figured, as many others, that they'd go straight to Trump, but Mueller & company are working their way UP the tree to get more proof & confessions ... can't you give it at least this full year before you cry? Actually, when I see Trump's wife move back to NYC I'll know the handwriting for something major happening is ON The WALL.
 
.....Gee, TwoBi, cut him some slack, would you? I mean, if Democrats had interfered with Hillary's 3 years & 9 committee Benghazi investigations you and your forum hinchmen would have raised mortal hell. This is a sitting President, man ... its not like you just walk in, like Republicans did, and start finger pointing false accusations ... how many YEARS did Trump & selective sitting Republicans point a fingers and false accusations at President Obama? Did you ever post ANYTHING about WHEN those accusations were going to produce fruit? nooooooo! Besides, already, several of his administration have now confessed and are facing prison time. I think you're just wanting this to go away to the good of the party. You surely can't believe, with all the lies Trump & company have been caught in (daily) that there's not some truth to the charges facing Trump? Do you?
,,,,,One year, you say ... hahahaha! I guess I figured, as many others, that they'd go straight to Trump, but Mueller & company are working their way UP the tree to get more proof & confessions ... can't you give it at least this full year before you cry? Actually, when I see Trump's wife move back to NYC I'll know the handwriting for something major happening is ON The WALL.

You are completely miss understanding what I am getting at Mac, You think I am arguing with you, I just don't think anyone is going to see the inside of a jail cell. Even if Trump is impeached, he won't do time.

Did you ever post ANYTHING about WHEN those accusations were going to produce fruit?
Yes I did, if you care to pay attention, or maybe you have poor memory. I said the same thing with Hillary and Benghazi - and I was right - no one went to jail, no one was even so much as arrested that I know of. Not even sure they had a fall guy. I said even then, if they have something they need to bring it out and stop this pussy-foot ******* because all it does is bury the facts into conspiracy theories and distract from what is really going on. And there was plenty of proof on the Benghazi issue. Hillary did in fact break laws about the private server issue, so do many other politicians and they all need to be arrested for it - but ain't gonna happen.

What I'm saying Mac, is if this is all true then I better see some action, this time. Don't let the man sit in office all 4 years and this Russia thing be a huge distraction to all the real issues while he undermines the American people. I've never said there is no proof, nor have I said there won't be - All I've said is I want to see it before I condemn the man. Even if they impeach Trump with no proof, just a bunch of accusations and speculation what do you think we will be talking about in 5 years? Benghazi maybe? This is why we need proof positive, no more he-said-she-said bullshit. With Proof there is nothing to argue.
 
ith Proof there is nothing to argue.
.....A good start would be to open up his tax returns the past 5-10 years, don't you think? Why do you think Trump refuses to allow that? But, the Trumps are facing both state & federal charges and I really think Mueller is going about this the right way. Think about it; with Hillary, she faced a biased Republican committee 9 times. And with the Russian investigation, both the House & Senate committees (republicans) haven't done anything with those but ******* a lot of time. Totally different with Mueller; he's building a undeniable case against the Trump administration; you can't deny he's not already gotten a lot of results and probably going to get a lot more.
 
I think this runs a lot deeper than any of you think ... way deeper than Watergate. I can't help but feel that Trump's shared more with Russia than you think and possibly top secret information. The man's in major debt and looking for a way to survive, as is his ******* & *******-n-law. We're living a major part of US history here and we just don't realize it yet.
 
I think this runs a lot deeper than any of you think
the steele report said Russia had been grooming him for years.....and there was a lot to back it up...and a lot more to make you more than just curious

but I don't think Mueller will step forward until he has trump dead to rights.....doesn't want trump pardoning the others for one thing....and the longer it goes on and the more that talk...just makes that many more trying to save their own ass and talk some more
when he has trump "locked" he will announce his findings!

his investigation keeps branching out and finding more and more things and people!
 
hell what does he care...he is just milking a bunch of dumb donors and supporters...and Russia is putting him in office...it's a win win for him




Trump Charges His Campaign Top Dollar To Rent A Basically Empty Trump Tower Office

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HuffPost

Republican donors last year paid over a half-million dollars for Trump re-election campaign offices in Trump Tower ― a decision that personally benefited the president, but provided workspace for at most a handful of staff.
According to a HuffPost analysis of Federal Election Commission filings, the monthly rent was more than what candidate Donald Trump had been charging from June 2015 to March 2016, back when he was largely self-funding his campaign and when there were, on average, several dozen employees in the midtown Manhattan office.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-donors-paying-top-dollar-191802423.html
 
Naaaah he's not predigest at all

Trump Vetoed Miss Universe Contestants He Found ‘Too Ethnic or Too Dark-Skinned,’ Pageant Staffer Says
Jon Levine,The Wrap

President Donald Trump routinely discriminated against Miss Universe contestants who were “too ethnic or too dark-skinned,” according to a new account from a pageant staffer.
In an excerpt of Michael Isikoff and David Corn’s new book, “Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin’s War on America and the Election of Donald Trump,” published Thursday by mom Jones, the veteran journalists write: “Frequently, Trump would toss out finalists and replace them with others he preferred.”
They also quote an unnamed Miss Universe staffer saying, “If there were too many women of color, he would make changes.”
And a second pageant employee told Isikoff and Corn: “He often thought a woman was too ethnic or too dark-skinned.”

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...e-contestants-found-too-ethnic-161838302.html
 
The cyberwar that never happened: How Obama backed down from a counterstrike against Russia

In the summer of 2016, as evidence mounted of Russian meddling in the U.S. election, a team in the White House began work on a far-reaching counterstrike against Russian media, the Kremlin oligarchy, and Putin personally — plans that were shelved when President Obama’s national security adviser, Susan Rice, ordered the staffers to “stand down.”
The details of the project, and the debate within the administration of how aggressively to confront Moscow, are told in a new book, “Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin’s War on America and the Election of Donald Trump,” by Michael Isikoff and David Corn, Washington bureau chief for mom Jones.

Excerpts from the book are being published this week by Yahoo News and mom Jones. The book goes on sale Tuesday, March 13.

The counteroffensive was the brainchild of Michael Daniel, the White House cybersecurity coordinator, and Celeste Wallander, the chief Russia expert in the National Security Council. One proposal was to unleash the NSA to mount its own series of far-reaching cyberattacks: to dismantle the Russian-created websites, Guccifer 2.0 and DCLeaks, that had been leaking the emails and memos stolen from Democratic targets; to bombard Russian news sites with a wave of automated traffic in a denial-of-service attack that would shut them down; and to launch an attack on the Russian intelligence agencies themselves, seeking to disrupt their command and control nodes.

“I wanted to send a signal that we would not tolerate disruptions to our electoral process,” Daniel told Isikoff and Corn. “The Russians are going to push as hard as they can until we start pushing back.”

Wallander proposed leaking snippets of classified intelligence to reveal the secret bank accounts in Latvia held for Putin’s daughters — a direct slap at the Russian president that would be sure to infuriate him. Working with Victoria Nuland, the assistant secretary of state for European affairs, Wallander drafted other proposals: to dump dirt on Russian websites about Putin’s money, about the girlfriends of top Russian officials, about corruption in Putin’s United Russia Party. The idea was to give Putin a taste of his own medicine. “We wanted to raise the cost in a manner Putin recognized,” Nuland says.

But the “signal” Daniel had intended was never sent; the plans were scrapped by Rice and Lisa Monaco, the president’s homeland security adviser, who worried that if news of the project leaked it would “box the president in” and create pressure for him to act. One day in late August, according to Isikoff and Corn, Rice called Daniel into her office and ordered him to “stand down” and “knock it off.” The White House was not prepared to endorse any of these ideas. “Don’t get ahead of us,” Rice warned.

Daniel walked back to his office. “That was one pissed-off national security adviser,” he told one of his aides.

At his morning staff meeting, Daniel matter-of-factly told his team to stop work on options to counter the Russian attack: “We’ve been told to stand down.” Daniel Prieto, one of Daniel’s top deputies, recalled being incredulous at the decision. As Prieto saw it, the president and his top aides didn’t get the stakes. “There was a disconnect between the urgency felt at the staff level” and the views of the president and his senior aides, Prieto later said. When senior officials argued that the issue could be revisited after Election Day, Daniel and his staff took strong exception. “No — the longer you wait, it diminishes your effectiveness. If you’re in a street fight, you have to hit back,” Prieto remarked.

The series of decisions — and nondecisions — made by Obama and his top aides in response to the Russian attack have been the subject of intense debate ever since. In “Russian Roulette,” Denis McDonough, Obama’s chief of staff, defends the president’s handling of the issue, saying Obama was concerned that escalating the conflict with the Russians could feed Trump’s narrative that the election was rigged. “The first-order objective directed by President Obama,” McDonough recalled, “was to protect the integrity of election.” Obama wanted to make sure whatever action was taken would not lead to a political crisis at home — and with Trump the president feared the possibility for that was great.

After the stand-down order, according to Isikoff and Corn, Obama and his senior advisers decided on a different approach — one that would frustrate the NSC hawks, who believed the president’s team was tying itself in knots and looking for reasons not to act. Rather than striking back, the president would privately warn Putin and vow overwhelming retaliation for any further intervention in the election. Obama delivered the threat at a private meeting with Putin on the sidelines of the G20 summit that September. The president later informed his aides he had delivered the message he and his advisers had crafted: We know what you’re doing. If you don’t cut it out, we will impose onerous and unprecedented penalties. One senior U.S. government official briefed on the meeting was told the president said to Putin in effect: “You f*** with us over the election and we’ll crash your economy.”

White House officials believed for a while that Obama’s warning had some impact: They saw no further evidence of Russia cyberintrusions into state election systems. But as they would later acknowledge, they largely missed Russia’s information warfare campaign aimed at influencing the election — the inflammatory Facebook ads and Twitter bots created by an army of Russian trolls working for the Internet Research Agency in St. Petersburg.

On Oct. 7, 2016, the Obama administration finally went public, releasing a statement from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Homeland Security that called out the Russians for their efforts to “interfere with the U.S. election process,” saying that “only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.” But for some in Hillary Clinton’s campaign and within the White House itself, it was too little, too late. Wallander, the NSC Russia specialist who had pushed for a more aggressive response, thought the Oct. 7 statement was largely irrelevant. “The Russians don’t care what we say,” she later noted. “They care what we do.” (The same day the statement came out, WikiLeaks began its month-long posting of tens of thousands of emails Russian hackers had stolen from John Podesta, the CEO of the Clinton campaign.)
Nearly two months after the election, Obama did impose sanctions on Moscow for its meddling in the election — shutting down two Russian facilities in the United States suspected of being used for intelligence operations and booting out 35 Russian diplomats and spies. The impact of these moves was questionable. Rice would come to believe it was reasonable to think that the administration should have gone further. As one senior official lamented, “Maybe we should have whacked them more.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cyberwar-never-happened-obama-backed-counterstrike-russia-140034672.html
 
For all you who have not caught on yet, Trump has already won his second term.

If you don't know why, then you are as clueless as the people who thought he would not win the first time.

The echo chamber of most of the media is a lie chamber and many on here who believe them will be made the fool of again.
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suppose he might be getting just weeee bit worried?

Atty: Trump may have 'grave concerns' about Mueller probe
A new report says the Trump legal team may be adding an attorney familiar with the impeachment process to guide the president through Mueller’s probe.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/atty-trump-may-apos-grave-103524141.html


Mueller may delay decision on obstruction of justice: report

The special counsel investigating Russian election interference may hold off on the obstruction of justice portion of the probe as he continues to look into other components like collusion, according to a Bloomberg report published Monday. The news outlet, citing both former and current officials, said Robert MuellerRobert Swan MuellerSasse: US should applaud choice of Mueller to lead Russia probe MORE could decide that filing charges related to the obstruction could cause witnesses to become “less cooperative." Bloomberg said the obstruction part of the investigation will probably be finished following interviews with President Trump Donald John Trump Accuser says Trump should be afraid of the ...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/b6061f...4090d0a/ss_mueller-may-delay-decision-on.html
 
you sure it's not about the money???????

Qatar Officials Covered For Jared Kushner In Mueller Probe, Report Says
Jessica Kwong,Newsweek

Qatar government officials collected what they allege is damaging information on the United Arab Emirates’ influence on senior White House adviser Jared Kushner in secret meetings, but chose not to hand the evidence over to special counsel Robert Mueller, NBC News reported Monday.

The information included efforts by the United Arab Emirates, Lebanese-American businessman George Nader and GOP donor Elliott Broidy to get the Trump administration to oppose Qatar, three sources familiar with discussions told NBC News. The Qatari officials, who earlier this year visited Washington, D.C., reportedly decided against sharing the details with Mueller to avoid negatively impacting their relations with the Trump administration.

The Qataris reportedly believe the blockade was influenced by the meetings with Nader, Broidy and the Emiratis, as well as the Qatari government’s refusal to finance a troubled New York City property owned by Jared Kushner's family-run real estate company Kushner Cos. a month earlier.

Trump backed the blockade last June. A Qatari delegation met with Trump administration officials in late January and early February of this year to talk about national security. Last week, a spokesperson for the Qatari embassy in Washington, D.C., stated that Qatar will not be speaking with Mueller.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/qatar-officials-covered-jared-kushner-152349536.html
 
you sure it's not about the money???????

Trump Jr.’s hunting buddy and secret business partner got special access
New York Post

Donald Trump Jr. has a previously undisclosed business relationship with a Texas hedge fund manager and longtime hunting pal who raised millions of dollars for Trump’s *******’s presidential campaign and has special access to top government officials, it was reported Monday. The president’s ******* and Gentry Beach have been involved in business deals since the mid-2000s and recently formed a company — Future Venture LLC — even though they both claimed they were just friends, the Associated Press reported, citing court records and other documents. In February 2017, a month after Trump was sworn in as president, Beach and an Iraqi-American businessman met with top officials at the National Security Council to pitch them on reducing sanctions on Venezuela in exchange for opening business opportunities for US companies, the report said. ...
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/edb0db...1b14feb/ss_trump-jr.’s-hunting-buddy-and.html
 
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