Is it better to start with swinging before going to IR?

Two different worlds. Swinging is generally couple swapping. This can be a 4some pile or couple swap. It requires a 4way connection and that can be tough. We did start that way, but playing w single males is different. There are single males on swinger sites. Most swingers prefer everyone be involved. But if your wife is into women, there’s are certainly couples that would share her while you watched. The other wife may feel left out because she wants to get fucked too. It just depends.
Finding single males/BBCs on a swinger site has its advantages vs dating sites or a regular club. Swinger males know what they are getting into. Just there to play w no hopes of a relationship. They usually understand consent better as well.
If you aren’t interested in playing w another woman, then I would stick w a stag/vixen (hotwife) type scenario and avoid swingers.
 
Two different worlds. Swinging is generally couple swapping. This can be a 4some pile or couple swap. It requires a 4way connection and that can be tough. We did start that way, but playing w single males is different. There are single males on swinger sites. Most swingers prefer everyone be involved. But if your wife is into women, there’s are certainly couples that would share her while you watched. The other wife may feel left out because she wants to get fucked too. It just depends.
Finding single males/BBCs on a swinger site has its advantages vs dating sites or a regular club. Swinger males know what they are getting into. Just there to play w no hopes of a relationship. They usually understand consent better as well.
If you aren’t interested in playing w another woman, then I would stick w a stag/vixen (hotwife) type scenario and avoid swingers.
That's great advice and really explained a lot. How would you explain the approach the Stag/Vixen (hotwife) relationship instead?
 
I've wondered the same thing, but my husband isn't interested in full swap, but he entertains my vixen ideas at least as a fantasy, so not sure it would help us. Either way, I can't get him past that fantasy level yet
I like this. Entertain this Sat night? @toofunforfun Also for you. Heading to NC, would definitely make a stop if interested. Let Me know…
 
Don't know if this is the right category or where our story fits. When I first got together with my 2nd wife, Cindi, I was very forthright about my previous marriage and how my wife had cheated and then left me to be with her black boyfriend. Cindi was sympathetic and vowed that she would never do such a thing. I told her that her happiness was most important to me and that if she ever needed more than I personally could give her, that she was free to fulfill her needs but just to avoid doing so behind my back. She assured me that she didn't need anything and that she would always be open with me. It has remained that way for the 7 years we have been together. Last summer I noticed that she was visiting porn sites, something she had not done previously. In September as she was approaching her 36th birthday she asked me to take her to an adult resort as a birthday present. I was surprised but had a feeling that the idea came from the porn sites. She researched places, and I thought she would choose one of the Temptation Resorts, but instead chose a place in FLA. We contacted them and made all the necessary arrangements for a New Years stay
As we were packing for the trip I noticed that my wife had bought a new micro bikini and new baby doll sleepwear. I also noticed that she had packed condoms, something that she and I never used. She also had gotten a full Brazillian Wax job before we left.

The resort billed itself as clothing optional/nudist, but when we arrived we quickly realized that it has primarily a swingers theme, something that I think Cindi knew in advance. Upon our arrival as my wife and I were unlocking the door to our condo two women next door came out and greeted us in a very friendly manner. A short while later they came over, introduced themselves (both are divorced) and invited my wife to an "Anything Goes Party" that night at their place. They made it clear that bikini or lingerie was the preferred attire and that husbands and boyfriends were not invited. I went to the upper deck hot tub and met a pretty widow to get friendly with. As it turned out only one other woman showed up and for about an hour the four women got to know one another as they enjoyed plentiful adult beverages. Cindi said she felt this was going to be a dud party but then there was a knock on the door and two local black college athletes entered the gathering. The two divorcees had invited them and the four women couldn't get the guys out of their clothes fast enough. All of a sudden the party wasn't dull anymore. The women came to life and it was clear that the young athletes were going to be busy that night. All four women were only to happy to accommodate the anything goes desires of the two young black studs. The party progressed into pretty much an orgy as all four women had sex with the two impressive guests multiple times. The condoms that my wife brought remained in her suit case.

Coming in at 6 the next morning, Cindi was tired but quick to tell me the details of her experience. She confessed to having sex with both studs, but mentioned that she felt the one guy, named Mark, was making love to her and how passionate it had felt. Cindi fell asleep in my arms, clearly satisfied that her needs had been fulfilled. Our second night at the resort we went to the common playroom where people were openly swinging and making use of available bedroom areas to engage in various sex acts. Cindi was hit on by a husband who invited her to engage in a 69. A short time later my pretty widow friend from the night before showed up and she and I enjoyed each other in a separate bedroom area.
The following morning I heard Cindi talking on the phone. She invited the young black athlete, Mark, to join her a her guest that night. She told me that she wanted to have Mark to herself that night and that she preferred to have me stay and watch.

I met Mark upon his arrival that evening and it was apparent why Cindi wanted to have him over. He was a 6'3" built linebacker for the university football team. He was also very good looking and well mannered. Cindi met him wearing her purple baby doll embracing him in a deep kiss. The two of them made themselves comfortable on the love seat as I fetched some drinks from the kitchen. Upon re-entering the living room the two of them were locked in heated kissing and embrace. It was apparent that Cindi was going to get what she wanted that night. I managed to engage Mark in a little small talk about how his season had been. He is a senior and is hoping that he may have a shot at the pros as a free agent. Despite the limited small talk Cindi kept busy rubbing him and getting his shirt off. She soon told him that she wanted him in the bedroom and led him off that way. She had several candles lit in the room so they could make love by candlelight. I gave them some time to get started before I entered the room. Mark was naked and kneeling on the bed as Cindi kneeled and sucked his impressive shaft. After a few minutes Mark laid her back and put his head between her legs and started licking her pussy. He brought her to orgasm in no time as she moaned and told him that she wanted him inside her. Mark was very sensuous with her and took his time as he penetrated her vagina with his rock hard black cock. Although the light was dim by candles, I could see and hear her passion as she groaned and began rapid breathing as he stroked in and out of her. Within seconds she had her legs wrapped and locked around him. I could see him sliding in and out of her and his black balls swinging against her white bottom. I don't think anything could be more passionate. Within two minutes she was squealing and wrapping her arms around him as she breathlessly announced "I'm cuming" I stood up and saw that her eyes had rolled up as she was besieged in pleasure. And then I heard it, what I never wanted to hear my wife say. She told Mark that she "loves him". Although I was hurt, I tried to rationalize it as just a comment in a moment of passion. Shortly afterward I retired to the couch in the living room leaving Cindi and her young black lover to enjoy each other for the night. In the morning the three of us had breakfast before Cindi embraced Mark telling him that he is the best lover she has ever had. She then turned to me, thanking me for my love and support.

Yesterday, February 9, Cindi informed me that she sent Mark a plane ticket and has a reservation at a local hotel for the Valentine's Weekend Package for the two of them. I am not invited but can take her out on actual Valentine Day next week. I was shocked and surprised that our getaway at the "Anything Goes" swingers resort was not enough to satisfy my lovely wife. I am worried, despite their age and background differences, when she repeatedly expresses her love for him. I am also worried of the old saying about "once you go black". I love my wife but fear that our relationship and our lives may be changed forever.
 
We started that but honestly found a lot of the swingers scene annoying. Trying to match 4 people is a lot of work. We found we liked her having fun on the nights they let single guys into the local swingers club and from there went stag/vixen. Black only organically followed.
 
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