O - I forgot you were the ALL omniscient one - that knows ALL right and ALL wrong - how very godlike of you - you lefties are so fulla yourselves - quite amusing :}
Convention of States
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O - I forgot you were the ALL omniscient one - that knows ALL right and ALL wrong - how very godlike of you - you lefties are so fulla yourselves - quite amusing :}
my friends call me subhub….but you can call me sir...……………..
I just try to educate....and that is the thanks I get...………….
Even duct tape can't fix stupid ... but it can muffle the sound!
I think its pretty much been proven, regardless of which party is in the White House, TwoBi, its useless if you don't also have control of the Senate and House, which Republicans have had a bit more than the Democrats over the past 20 or so years. But, I won't argue to that fact that Democrats stay silent way too often because many of them benefit from all the tax cuts Republicans give the rich. Still, it is Republicans who implemented the stupid "self serving" idea and have made it their platform.
Surely you jest oh ignorant one; lets look at who's for the Convention of States ... Jim DeMint, Allen West, Mark Levin, Rand Paul, Greg Abbott, Sean Hannity, Ben Carson, Sarah Palin, Tom Coburn, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santelli ... the Who's Who of the Tea Party ... I mean Americans For Prosperity ... I mean the Convention of States ... lol I didn't see Grover Norquist's name, but I'm sure he's there somewhere. He wouldn't miss this chance. Hell, TwoBi, this is just a huge conglomeration of "self serving" right wing populists & libertarians. These people don't go away when the voters kick them out, they just CHANGE THEIR NAME to something else. No one wants their dumb asses in politics, but they just won't go away ... (read on)
The Tea Party Didn’t Get What It Wanted, but It Did Unleash the Politics of Anger (Published 2019)
Ten years after a summer of rage over spending, trillion-dollar deficits are back.
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nanci whiteboy
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Neither. I am referring to ideology, because economics and politics are merely the mechanisms by which ideology is implemented.
Ideology is much greater. Ideology is a vision of how people should be free (conservatives) or a vision of how people should be forever imprisoned in their birth circumstances (liberals/progressives).
Nice little Freudian slip you made there. Tax cuts only starve the government beast of revenue and they drive the engine of the economy. Liberals simply can't stand the idea of free people making their own economic decisions. This comes from the fundamental conceit of liberals that only they should make decisions for the populace. Liberal disdain for the individual creates a permanent underclass of dependents, and when it goes unchecked long enough, creates concentration camps.
I was assigned middle-class at birth, but I identify as a trans-millionaire.
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they do starve the gov....which ends up costing the people already without......and tax cuts have NEVER driven the economy....it just goes into the pockets of the have's...…...and doesn't TRICKEL down to the have nots!.....and never has....a good example....this last one
Why do trickle down economics always lead to a recession ...
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070321133831AAB6ipP
Mar 21, 2007 · Because they are one sided. The very term trickle down is a misnomer. Nothing trickles down past the CEO. It stays at the top and those in the middle class and poverty class are the ones who ultimately suffer while the rich get richer. As Bush puts it, they want an 'ownership' society.
Trickle-Down Economics: Four Reasons Why It Just Doesn't Work
www.faireconomy.org/trickle_down_economics_four_reasons
Trickle down does not work. Most recently we had eight years of trickle down with George Jr and we went into a deep recession only other effect was an increase in the wealth gap and a further propping up of the stock market.
Trickle-down economics - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics
A Year After the Middle Class Tax Cut, the Rich Are Winning
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tax-plan-consequences
The benefits of the tax law are spread pretty evenly in the next few years. But, measured as a percentage of their tax bills, the group getting the largest cut is clear: Families earning from $200,000 to $1 million will see their tax bills drop about 9 percent next year according to Congress’s...
Who Benefits From The Tax Cut 10 Months Later - Forbes
https://www.forbes.com/.../2018/09/28/who-benefits-from-the-tax-cut-10-months-later
Sep 28, 2018 · Tweet This. Even Fox News, in an August 2018 poll, found Obamacare to be more popular than the tax cuts. In December 2017, Congress cut government revenues by passing a $1.5 trillion tax cut. Congress claimed the corporate tax cuts would benefit everyone because businesses would invest or use the tax cut to raise wages.
In December 2017, Congress cut government revenues by passing a $1.5 trillion tax cut. Congress claimed the corporate tax cuts would benefit everyone because businesses would invest or use the tax cut to raise wages. Donald Trump tweeted “TAX CUTS will increase investment in the American economy and in U.S. workers, leading to higher growth, higher wages, and more JOBS!” (Emphasis in his original tweet.) The promise hasn't materialized. Even Fox News, in an August 2018 poll, found Obamacare to be more popular than the tax cuts.
I think its pretty much been proven, regardless of which party is in the White House, TwoBi, its useless if you don't also have control of the Senate and House, which Republicans have had a bit more than the Democrats over the past 20 or so years. But, I won't argue to that fact that Democrats stay silent way too often because many of them benefit from all the tax cuts Republicans give the rich. Still, it is Republicans who implemented the stupid "self serving" idea and have made it their platform.
View attachment 2991196Surely you jest oh ignorant one; lets look at who's for the Convention of States ... Jim DeMint, Allen West, Mark Levin, Rand Paul, Greg Abbott, Sean Hannity, Ben Carson, Sarah Palin, Tom Coburn, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santelli ... the Who's Who of the Tea Party ... I mean Americans For Prosperity ... I mean the Convention of States ... lol I didn't see Grover Norquist's name, but I'm sure he's there somewhere. He wouldn't miss this chance. Hell, TwoBi, this is just a huge conglomeration of "self serving" right wing populists & libertarians. These people don't go away when the voters kick them out, they just CHANGE THEIR NAME to something else. No one wants their dumb asses in politics, but they just won't go away ... (read on)
The Tea Party Didn’t Get What It Wanted, but It Did Unleash the Politics of Anger (Published 2019)
Ten years after a summer of rage over spending, trillion-dollar deficits are back.www.nytimes.com
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Seriously, that's the best you got?
Lets see, for the past 5 years you have been screaming TERM LIMITS! now here is a group promoting just that, but since it wasn't created by your god king Obama Sanders - your against it.
??I'm not totally on board with it, it does have it's issues. Kind of makes me think "tea Party" in disguise. BUT - I do think it has merit and could possibly push congress to make some fundamental changes. Like I said, they have been bringing up issues that you and I both have agreed on in the past that needs to happen.
nanci whiteboy
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If you can't manage to spell "trickle" correctly, when it's right in front of you; I don't think even you read your death-wall of links.
If you can't manage to spell "trickle" correctly, when it's right in front of you; I don't think even you read your death-wall of links.
facts bother you?
doesn't change anything....you claim trickle down helps the economy.....it has been done three times and every time it failed...….doesn't say much for your statement does it...….so you want to pick on spelling
that's called deflection……..something the right does a lot of on here
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nanci whiteboy
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I speak enough frontier gibberish to put this in your language and style:
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Ah aint kare.....whut youse taLk....abouuut
herrz sum linKs....dat pruv I iz rite.....an youse iz dum!!!!
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and I thought hottobe was really the dumbest person on this board....strike that dumbest republican I have met and
now you sound just like hottobe ...a complete fucking idiot....no wonder the 2 of you get along so good
dumb and dumber....well maybe not....just that you seem to have a pet idiot
you have made a lot of rash statements and I let them slide......because you normally start in on your twisted sexual ?????/whatever..... but it still doesn't change the fact you know nothing about what you are talking about on trickle down....and just more typical right wing deflection.....when completely fucking wrong....change the subject you can win at a....a misspelled word....maybe you can teach spelling or grammar.....but you don't know ******* about politics
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Not only are you wrong but you're triggered as well.. Go on, go for three from three...
When I saw the list of "characters" supporting it ... the likes of Palin, West, DeMint, Huckabee, Paul, etc ... I knew I wasn't going to like the total Convention of States. It was the Tea Party, with their huge money backers, who hijacked the once respectable Republican party and polarized politics in the US. They still preaching the same game, just presenting it in yet another package. For every good idea they have, they have 3-4 bad ideas. The Tea Party has no real organization to it, with a lot of mixed bag of populist agendas. They oppose taxes, want federal government so small it can be drowned in a bathtub (a quote), and in general oppose entitlement programs.Lets see, for the past 5 years you have been screaming TERM LIMITS! now here is a group promoting just that, but since it wasn't created by your god king Obama Sanders - your against it.
I'm not totally on board with it, it does have it's issues. Kind of makes me think "tea Party" in disguise. BUT - I do think it has merit and could possibly push congress to make some fundamental changes. Like I said, they have been bringing up issues that you and I both have agreed on in the past that needs to happen.
Yeah, the party says it wants a balanced budget amendment, term limits, etc ... because they know THAT is what the voters ultimately desire, but they're really no better than Trump, a populist with their own agenda once they take office. They don't negotiate, they take hostages.
You say that This Tea Party has no real organization to it, with a mixed bag of populist agendas. they oppose taxes , they want a much smaller federal government and in general oppose entitlement programs. The party says it wants a balanced budget amendment and term limits, this is what the voters ultimately desire. Explain your thoughts of why any of this is negative !
nanci whiteboy
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You are of course, entitled to that opinion, but it serves to present the impasse at which we have arrived. Because conservatives would say that the extreme left-wing elements of the democrat party have corrupted the once great party of Kennedy and polarized politics. The democrat constituancy was once the blue collar working man -- a kind of soft economic Marxism. But democrats have moved on to hard-core cultural Marxism and the blue-collar working man is now vilified as "deplorable" by the intersectional-minorities guiding democrat policy. Of course, when one is "deplorable", one has nothing of value to contribute to the conversation. This was not an astute strategic move -- many blue-collar deplorables crossed over to Trump -- and they aren't coming back -- not while intersectional victim-hood rules the dems.
Well, of course. We live in the age of scorched-earth politics. Not much negotiation takes place when both sides opener is to destroy the opposition.
The question is: how do we cooperate from here?
The bigger question is: do we even want to cooperate?
Because socialism is a fake front for getting elected, claiming to represent the common people, and professing to defend the interests of the citizens through reform. Trump is a good example of the "self-enrichment" socialist program . Socialists never are who they proclaim to be. They're extremists critical of anything that attempts to mediate the relationship between the voters and the existing government. Then the voters realize who they "really are" and what they're after and they get voted back out of office. Nothing but a sham! That's why the Tea Party suddenly disappeared, but keep trying to come back under a different premise.
This is a pretty good article on it ... read it and get educated!
What is populism – and why is it so hard to define?
It’s a slippery concept but academics have reached agreement on some of its fundamental elements.
theconversation.com
nanci whiteboy
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Shirley you are aware that is not the definition of socialism (Marxist stage between capitalism and communism, with collective administration of production and delivery of goods, marked by undesirable income inequality). What you are describing is populism, as identified in your article headline. This goes back to the premise that all politicians lie, as one cannot represent the interests of 55-million people without modifying the truth.
You're going to make Marxist heads explode. "Self-enrichment" is the polar opposite of socialism. It is most closely aligned with unrestrained capitalism. Trump is an advocate of aggressive private business.
By contrast, Obama's bailout of GM/Ford/Chrysler (begun by Bush), using collective resources (tax money) was a much more socialist-y thing. Under capitalism, the weak companies are not artificially propped up -- they suffer the fate of low performers.
Our politicians who identify with socialism, don't seem to be shy about it. To win leftist support, they have to talk the talk. They do however, practice the time-honored socialist leader double-speak of preaching collectivism, while amassing private wealth.
And THAT is what I put in the post ... populism. This is NOW concerning that one can access another's posts and change the posts to their own desire. A fine example of website tampering. I know what I wrote, and I did NOT write the word socialism anywhere in my post. I'm glad I had an attachment to the post; they couldn't change THAT.
Thanks for calling my attention to this ... Administrators need to be made, and will be made aware, that this is possible. Imagine someone willfully posting illegal pictures and conversations under your SN! If this is, in fact, the case, I imagine many of us will simply quit posting.
nanci whiteboy
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What is populism – and why is it so hard to define?
It’s a slippery concept but academics have reached agreement on some of its fundamental elements.
This is a thoughtful article and America has most definitely entered an age of populism.
Populist reaction to government elitism may explain why Trump -- as a political outsider -- can say highly provocative things without suffering a loss of public support. We should also consider that Trump, as a media star, was likable on a social level, before he entered politics.
By contrast, Hillary represents government elitism at a time when it is dying. And among Hillary's staunchest political supporters, I wonder if anybody actually likes her. She seems like such an angry ratbag.
Bernie of course, is populist on the left-leaning side. But Bernie has the disadvantage of having never been anything but a politician. Because he's been running the Washington machine for decades (longer than many Bernie-bots have been alive) his populism is highly suspect. What can he point to, after all this time, as an example of his opposition to Washington-as-usual?
The dems need an outsider populist and all of their front-runners are Washington elitists.
nanci whiteboy
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I cannot and did not change anything in your post. The references to socialism still appear several times in your original post.
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