The Gospel Truth
- Thread starter Marg Illard
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Exploring between the sheets is what is important
The truth is most women have no interest in crossing the color barrier. I have had bed partners that have shared my bed for 10 years or longer. The have also been some that getting fucked by a well hung black man was a bucket list sort of thing. And there have been a couple that were "OMG you aren't sticking that in me."Some girls who never tried a BBC or the white boys that want to know what all the fuss is about would find it educational.
Nothing like first hand experience though for a real education, as you well know.
Regardless of race or cock size, if you have a skilled tongue, bathe regularly, and have a genuinely friendly personality the only time you will sleep alone is when you choose to.
N2wfsn2bbc
Male
The first studies I saw back in the 80's showed black men with and average penis of about 7 1/4" and white males with an average penis of about 5 3/4". About 1 1/2" difference, which I believe to be the real truth. Toward the late 90's I began to see studies that showed black men with an average penis of about 6 7/8" and white males with an average of about 6 1/8". It's my belief that this was done to lessen the difference to less than an inch. And that if both were within the 6" range, that people were less likely to make a big deal of it. 3/4" is a lot less than 1 1/2". Now studies show even less of a difference and it's bullshit. The average white male is smaller than 6 1/2" and the average black man is larger than 6 3/4". To say that white males and black men are within 1/4" is a deplorable representation of the facts.
At least here at this forum we know the truth. Black men on average have larger cocks, and they fuck better.
At least here at this forum we know the truth. Black men on average have larger cocks, and they fuck better.
James Buck
Male
blacks dont fuck better. If you fuck hard and dominant. Every women you fuck will have orgasms.
tinypete
Male
This blows everything out of the water. It is not the motion of the ocean. It is not how you use it. It explains why men of any race who have big cocks have an easier time getting and fucking women and why the women keep going back for more. Small cocked guys cannot compete. They just can't compete. It also shows the other side of the equation that blacks have bigger cocks than white guys so it is easier to find a big cock if he is black. It also explains why after my wife fucks a black guy she is totally drained physically, emotionally, and spiritually. When I am watching them fuck, my wife is completely in the moment. She isn't aware of anything around her except his big cock sliding in and out of her.
Life obviously isn't fair to us white guys. We just cannot compete and if we are on the small side of the white spectrum we are really out of the loop!
Marg Illard
Female
Actually 95-98% of white guys can't hit the posterior fornix, that's why we buy dildos 8" and bigger. And yes white guys can't compete with a girls vibrator/dildo unless you are a big Black bull. The cervical orgasm is the best orgasm a girl can have bar none.
There are some women out there, still so sexually repressed, they never have even experienced a clitoral orgasm because their husband is such a selfish lover.
There are some women out there, still so sexually repressed, they never have even experienced a clitoral orgasm because their husband is such a selfish lover.
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Marg Illard
Female
Hmmm, uncircumsized cocks equal better sex!
Male circumcision leads to a bad sex life
November 14, 2011 - 21:47
Circumcised men have more difficulties reaching orgasm, and their female partners experience more vaginal pains and an inferior sex life, a new study shows.
Keywords: Gender, Health, HIV, Sex, The Body
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By: Niels Ebdrup
The Danish study is the first one ever to look into what effect male circumcision has on their female partners. (Photo: Colourbox)
If a man is circumcised, he faces an increased risk of experiencing delayed orgasm, and his female partner has an increased risk of not feeling sexually fulfilled.
This is the clear-cut conclusion of a new Danish research article, which has received international attention.
Some 5,000 sexually active men and women were surveyed about their experiences and possible problems with their sex lives. With a specific focus on circumcised men and their women, the results are startling.
“Circumcised men are three times as likely to experience a frequent inability to reach an orgasm,” says one of the researchers, Associate Professor Morten Frisch from Danish research enterprise SSI.
Research into the effects on women is unique
This is one of only a few studies of the sexual consequences of male circumcision, and in one area in particular it is groundbreaking:
“Previous studies into male circumcision have looked at the effects it has on the men. But scientists have never really studied the effects this has on the women's sex lives,” says Frisch.
“It appears that women with circumcised men are twice as likely to be sexually frustrated. They experience a three-fold risk of frequent difficulties in achieving orgasm, and an eight-fold risk of feeling pain during intercourse – also known as dyspareunia.”
Circumcised men prefer it rough
The study has received international attention. Politicians from California, for example, have been in contact with the researchers because they want to ban circumcision in their federal state. (Photo: Colourbox)
There appears to be a very simple reason why circumcised men and their partners are having problems with their sex lives.
The circumcised man develops a thin layer of hard skin on his penis head, which decreases the sensitivity. This means that in order to reach an orgasm, he needs to work harder at it, and that can lead to a painful experience for the woman.
“We conducted a survey, but the data does not explain why these problems occur. There are, however, some good suggestions in the scientific literature,” he explains.
When the penis enters the vagina, the foreskin is pulled back. And on its way out again, the foreskin goes back to cover the penis head. This way the foreskin stimulates both the man and the woman.
The gliding in-and-out movement of the foreskin, combined with the in-and-out movement inside the vagina, constitutes what is known as ‘the gliding movement’.
“When a circumcised man moves in and out of a woman without 'the gliding movement' caused by the foreskin, it can have a painful effect on the woman's mucous membrane. This could explain the pain and the tendency towards dryness that some women with circumcised men experience.”
Sources of error were filtered out
A vast majority of the circumcised men in the study were circumcised based on a doctor's estimate.
Facts
In the U.S. some 50 percent of all boys are circumcised.
Circumcision is – or rather has been – common in many English-speaking countries. This is due to a trend from the Victorian age where doctors recommended that boys should be circumcised as this would make it more difficult to masturbate.
At the time, masturbation was thought to lead to a long list of problems, including mental illness and typhus.
“Only five percent of all Danish men are circumcised, yet we have statistically valid evidence that male circumcision can be associated with sexual problems.
The study did not involve many religiously circumcised men – Jews and Muslims, for example. But even with these factors taken into account, the data pointed in the same direction. The statistical analyses also took a long list of additional relevant factors into account, including:
Bottom-line results were clear
Frisch mentions an example of how things get muddled up if researchers do not adjust for possible sources of error when they work with statistics:
“If, for instance, you look at people who ******* lots of beer, you'll see that they face an increased risk of developing lung cancer, compared to those who don't ******* much,” he says. “But it's not the drinking itself that causes the lung cancer. There just happens to be a correlation between drinking and smoking, and it is actually the smoking that causes the lung cancer.”
These kinds of error sources were taken into account, and the bottom-line results were clear:
“We’re seeing a consistent picture. Even though most circumcised men – and their women – do not have problems with their sex lives, there is a significantly larger group of circumcised men and their female partners who experience frequent problems in achieving orgasm, compared to couples where the man is not circumcised.”
Facts
Narrowed foreskin is popularly known as ‘Spanish Collar’ and scientifically as ‘phimosis’.
For half a century, large surveys have shown that problems with phimosis sort themselves out in childhood for up to 99% of boys. Nevertheless, this condition is still being used as a major argument for routine circumcision in many countries.
In addition, there are significantly more women with circumcised men, who experience vaginal pains during intercourse or feel that their sexual needs are not met.
Further studies needed
Frisch hopes this new study will be replicated by researchers in other countries and cultures.
“That way we can ascertain whether this phenomenon applies to Danes only or whether it extends into other cultures too,” he says. “All in all, I have a humble approach to our findings, so I would also like to see whether other Danish studies would reach the same conclusions.”
Study resonates internationally
According to Frisch, the study has received a great deal of international attention. For example, he has been contacted by politicians in California, who are very pleased with the results of the study because they want to ban circumcision in their federal state.
Others are less excited, saying the research is controversial.
“This is a highly sensitive issue, and some people oppose the publication of this kind of research. Some people have actually tried to stop the publication of our article,” he explains.
A question of ethics
Certain groups and individuals are lobbying in favour circumcising all men, explains Frisch. Not necessarily out of religious concern, but because they believe that circumcision has a health-promotional effect. In Africa, for instance, there are indications that circumcision could reduce the risk of HIV infection.
Read the article in Danish at videnskab.dk
Male circumcision leads to a bad sex life
November 14, 2011 - 21:47
Circumcised men have more difficulties reaching orgasm, and their female partners experience more vaginal pains and an inferior sex life, a new study shows.
Keywords: Gender, Health, HIV, Sex, The Body
SendPDFPrint
By: Niels Ebdrup
The Danish study is the first one ever to look into what effect male circumcision has on their female partners. (Photo: Colourbox)
If a man is circumcised, he faces an increased risk of experiencing delayed orgasm, and his female partner has an increased risk of not feeling sexually fulfilled.
This is the clear-cut conclusion of a new Danish research article, which has received international attention.
Some 5,000 sexually active men and women were surveyed about their experiences and possible problems with their sex lives. With a specific focus on circumcised men and their women, the results are startling.
“Circumcised men are three times as likely to experience a frequent inability to reach an orgasm,” says one of the researchers, Associate Professor Morten Frisch from Danish research enterprise SSI.
Research into the effects on women is unique
This is one of only a few studies of the sexual consequences of male circumcision, and in one area in particular it is groundbreaking:
“Previous studies into male circumcision have looked at the effects it has on the men. But scientists have never really studied the effects this has on the women's sex lives,” says Frisch.
“It appears that women with circumcised men are twice as likely to be sexually frustrated. They experience a three-fold risk of frequent difficulties in achieving orgasm, and an eight-fold risk of feeling pain during intercourse – also known as dyspareunia.”
Circumcised men prefer it rough
The study has received international attention. Politicians from California, for example, have been in contact with the researchers because they want to ban circumcision in their federal state. (Photo: Colourbox)
There appears to be a very simple reason why circumcised men and their partners are having problems with their sex lives.
The circumcised man develops a thin layer of hard skin on his penis head, which decreases the sensitivity. This means that in order to reach an orgasm, he needs to work harder at it, and that can lead to a painful experience for the woman.
“We conducted a survey, but the data does not explain why these problems occur. There are, however, some good suggestions in the scientific literature,” he explains.
When the penis enters the vagina, the foreskin is pulled back. And on its way out again, the foreskin goes back to cover the penis head. This way the foreskin stimulates both the man and the woman.
The gliding in-and-out movement of the foreskin, combined with the in-and-out movement inside the vagina, constitutes what is known as ‘the gliding movement’.
“When a circumcised man moves in and out of a woman without 'the gliding movement' caused by the foreskin, it can have a painful effect on the woman's mucous membrane. This could explain the pain and the tendency towards dryness that some women with circumcised men experience.”
Sources of error were filtered out
A vast majority of the circumcised men in the study were circumcised based on a doctor's estimate.
Facts
In the U.S. some 50 percent of all boys are circumcised.
Circumcision is – or rather has been – common in many English-speaking countries. This is due to a trend from the Victorian age where doctors recommended that boys should be circumcised as this would make it more difficult to masturbate.
At the time, masturbation was thought to lead to a long list of problems, including mental illness and typhus.
“Only five percent of all Danish men are circumcised, yet we have statistically valid evidence that male circumcision can be associated with sexual problems.
The study did not involve many religiously circumcised men – Jews and Muslims, for example. But even with these factors taken into account, the data pointed in the same direction. The statistical analyses also took a long list of additional relevant factors into account, including:
- Age
- Cultural background
- Religious background
- Marital status
- Levels of education
- Household income
- Age at first intercourse
- Number of sex partners
- Frequency of sexual activity with one partner in the past year
Bottom-line results were clear
Frisch mentions an example of how things get muddled up if researchers do not adjust for possible sources of error when they work with statistics:
“If, for instance, you look at people who ******* lots of beer, you'll see that they face an increased risk of developing lung cancer, compared to those who don't ******* much,” he says. “But it's not the drinking itself that causes the lung cancer. There just happens to be a correlation between drinking and smoking, and it is actually the smoking that causes the lung cancer.”
These kinds of error sources were taken into account, and the bottom-line results were clear:
“We’re seeing a consistent picture. Even though most circumcised men – and their women – do not have problems with their sex lives, there is a significantly larger group of circumcised men and their female partners who experience frequent problems in achieving orgasm, compared to couples where the man is not circumcised.”
Facts
Narrowed foreskin is popularly known as ‘Spanish Collar’ and scientifically as ‘phimosis’.
For half a century, large surveys have shown that problems with phimosis sort themselves out in childhood for up to 99% of boys. Nevertheless, this condition is still being used as a major argument for routine circumcision in many countries.
In addition, there are significantly more women with circumcised men, who experience vaginal pains during intercourse or feel that their sexual needs are not met.
Further studies needed
Frisch hopes this new study will be replicated by researchers in other countries and cultures.
“That way we can ascertain whether this phenomenon applies to Danes only or whether it extends into other cultures too,” he says. “All in all, I have a humble approach to our findings, so I would also like to see whether other Danish studies would reach the same conclusions.”
Study resonates internationally
According to Frisch, the study has received a great deal of international attention. For example, he has been contacted by politicians in California, who are very pleased with the results of the study because they want to ban circumcision in their federal state.
Others are less excited, saying the research is controversial.
“This is a highly sensitive issue, and some people oppose the publication of this kind of research. Some people have actually tried to stop the publication of our article,” he explains.
A question of ethics
Certain groups and individuals are lobbying in favour circumcising all men, explains Frisch. Not necessarily out of religious concern, but because they believe that circumcision has a health-promotional effect. In Africa, for instance, there are indications that circumcision could reduce the risk of HIV infection.
Read the article in Danish at videnskab.dk
I've seen my wife with 3 of my white friends and I've seen my wife with a few of my black friends. They all are bigger then me and better in bed. But it seems she enjoys the black men more.
Marg Illard
Female
The human foreskin is highly innervated,5 21 29 and vascularized29 sensitive erogenous tissue.6 29 It plays an important role in normal human sexual response and is necessary for normal copulatory behavior.40 An understanding of this role is now emerging in the scientific literature. Removal of the foreskin (circumcision) interferes with normal sexual function.
This page brings together, in one place, scattered material relevant to the study of the role of the foreskin in human sexuality, and the dysfunction caused by its amputation.
Summary of the literature
Protection. The foreskin in the adult male either partially or completely covers the glans penis.40 The foreskin protects the glans penis from friction and from dryness.28 The foreskin maintains the sub-preputial space in a state of wetness with prostatic, vesicular and urethral secretions.17 The glans penis is covered with mucosa, not skin, so the wetness is essential for optimum health. There may be a correlation between wetness and sensitivity. Removal of the prepuce by circumcision results in a change in the appearance of the glans penis. The color tends to change from a red-purple to a light pink in caucausians and the texture changes from a glossy finish to a matte finish and becomes dull rather than shiny. Some believe that the epithelium of the glans thickens after removal of the foreskin to provide additional layers of protection and that this keratinization deadens sensation.10 Morgan (1965) said, "Removal of the prepuce exposes the glans to foreign stimuli which dull these special receptors.11 Bigelow (1994) observed that improvement in glanular sensitivity is the most frequently reported outcome of foreskin restoration.26 Pertot (1994) reports that the glans becomes softer after foreskin restoration.27 These older papers do not recognize the sensitivity of the foreskin itself.
Some doctors who are associated with the Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Yeshiva University have carried out measurements of glanular sensitivity in both circumcised and intact males.53 54 Bleustein et al. (2003) claimed to measure overall penile sensitivity, but their methodology made that impossible. Even though the high innervation,6 21 2940 the sensitivity,12 39 51 and the erogenous nature,6 of the foreskin had been reported previously, the foreskin inexplicably was not tested. The foreskin was held back out of the way53 54 and the contribution of the foreskin to overall penile sensitivity was not determined. Their studies reported little difference in glanular sensitivity between circumcised and intact males.53 54 If that is the case, then the decrease in penile sensitivity after circumcision and the increase noted after foreskin restoration must lie elsewhere.57 The most likely location is in the foreskin.57 Denniston reported loss of sexual pleasure in a survey of males circumcised in adulthood.61 The most recent study finds that the intact penis is about four times more sensitive than the circumcised penis.67
Mechanical function. The foreskin provides mechanical functions to facilitate intromission and penetration. Several authorities observe that the penis enters the vagina without friction as the foreskin unfolds.4 9 10 11 Taves (2002) reported that excision of the foreskin by circumcision increases the ******* required to penetrate by ten-fold.51 Shen et al.reported 43.1 percent of men cirumcised as adults experience difficult penetration.59 After penetration, the foreskin provides a gliding action that greatly reduces friction,4 9 11 15 41 49and vaginal dryness.27 40 50 55
Elasticity. The foreskin has a layer of smooth muscle tissue called the peripenic muscle,1 which is part of the dartos muscle.1 39 The contraction and expansion of the muscle fibers in this layer give the foreskin great elasticity and are important in erogenous sensation. Lakshmanan & Prakash report a "mosaic of muscle tissues and elastic fibres" contained between the two layers of the foreskin, which keep the foreskin snugly against in the glans penis in a close fit.15 The muscle fibres must stretch to allow the foreskin to retract over the glans and contract again when the foreskin returns to its normal forward position. The expansion and contraction of the muscle fibres during coitus allows the foreskin to stretch. The stretching deformes the Meissner corpuscles and produces sensation.68 The nerve bundles run alongside the dartos muscle.40 The stretching puts tension on the nerve endings contained within the foreskin. The nerve endings deform and generate pleasurable erotic sensations to the central nervous system and inputs to the autonomic nervous system, which plays a role in controlling erection and ejaculation.57 68 Taylor (2003) reports preliminary evidence that stretching of the foreskin produces contractions associated with ejaculation.58 Taylor reports that the ridged band of the foreskin is reflexogenic and produces contractions that result in ejaculation.68
Erogenous tissue. the foreskin is heavily innervated even at birth and before.5 21 The foreskin is a specific erogenous zone6 with nerve endings near the surface of the ridged band arranged in rete ridges.29 The foreskin is noted for its sensory pleasure.12 36 51 Circumcision, therefore, diminishes sexual sensation.6 9 10 11 12 18 28 31 38 57 59 62 63 64
Impotence and sexual dysfunction. The nerves in the foreskin apparently provide an impulse to aid erection. Circumcision has long been associated with an increased incidence of impotence. Glover (1929) reported a case.2Winkelmann (1959) suggested impotence as a possibility,6 as did Foley (1966).10 Stinson (1973) reported five cases.13Palmer & Link (1979) reported two cases.14 More recently, additional evidence of sexual dysfunction after circumcision has emerged. Coursey et al. reported that the degradation in sexual function after circumcision is equivalent to the degradation experienced after anterior urethroplasty.47 Fink et al. reported statistically significant degradation in sexual function.49 A survey carried out in South Korea found that circumcised men reported painful erections, and diminished sexual pleasure, and a few reported curvature of the penis upon erection.48 Shen et al. (2004), in a study carried out in China, reported erectile dysfunction in 28.4 percent of the men in the study after circumcision, and 'weakened erectile confidence' in 34.7 percent.59
Premature ejaculation. Lakshmanan & Prakash (1980) report that the foreskin impinges against the corona glandis during coitus.15 The foreskin, therefore, tends to protect the corona glandis from direct stimulation by the vagina of the female partner during coitus. The corona is the most highly innervated part of the glans penis.19 Zwang argues that removal of the foreskin allows direct stimulation of the corona glandis and this may cause premature ejaculation in some males.32 O'Hara & O'Hara (1999) report more premature ejaculation in circumcised male partners.41 The presence of the foreskin, therefore, may make it easier to avoid premature ejaculation, while its absence would make it more difficult to avoid premature ejaculation. Masood et al. report that circumcision is more likely to worsen premature ejaculation than improve it.64 The Australian Study of Health and Relationships found that "26% of circumcised men but 22% of uncircumcised men reported reaching orgasm too quickly for at least one month in the previous year."65 Kim & Pang (2006) reported decreased ejaculation latency time in circumcised men but the decrease was not considered statistically significant.66
Inability to ejaculate or delayed ejaculation. While some circumcised males may suffer from a tendency toward premature ejaculation, others find that they have great difficulty in ejaculating.50 The nerves in the foreskin and ridged band are stimulated by stretching,18 57 amongst other movements. If those nerves are not present, Money (1983) argues that excision of these stretch receptors by circumcision may make ejaculation take longer.18. Some circumcised males may have to resort to prolonged and aggressive thrusting to achieve orgasm.40 49 Shen et al. (2004) reported that 32.6 percent of the men in his study reported prolonged intercourse after circumcision.59 Senkul et al. (2004) reported an appreciable increase in ejaculatory latency time (time to ejaculate).60 Thorvaldsen & Meyhoff (2005) reported that circumcised males have more difficulty with ejaculation and orgasm.63 Kim & Pang (2006) reported that circumcised men have more difficulty with masturbation.66 Solinis & Yiannaki reported that 65 percent of circumcised men in their study reported increased ejaculation time in their study.69
Loss of sexual pleasure. Denniston reported that some circumcised men would not have the operation again because of loss of sexual pleasure.61 Kim & Pang (2006) reported that 48 percent of Korean men in a survey experienced loss of mastubatory pleasure after circumcision as compared with 8 percent that experienced increased pleasure and 8 percent reported improved sexual life, but 20 percent reported worsened sexual life.66 Solinis & Yiannaki reported that 16 percent of the men in their study reported a better sex life after circumcision but 35 percent reported a worsened sex life.69
Sexual behaviour. The alteration to the sexual organ causes many circumcised males to change their sexual behavior. Foley reported that circumcised males are more likely to masturbate.10 Hooykaas et al. (1991) reported that immigrant (mostly circumcised) males have a greater tendency to engage in risky sexual behavior with prostitutes as compared with Dutch (mostly normal intact) males.23 The U. S. National Health and Social Life Survey found that circumcised males have a "more elaborated" set of sexual practices, including more masturbation, and more heterosexual oral sex.30 The British National Survey of Sexual Attitudes and Lifestyles (2000) reported that circumcised males were more likely to report having a homosexual partner and more likely to have partners from abroad as compared with normal intact males.56 Circumcised men are significantly less likely to use condoms.38 50 Many men in the Solinis and Yiannaki study reported decreased sex life after circumcision.69
Value to female partners. The foreskin has long been known to be valuable to the female partner.8 16 The presence of the foreskin is reported to be stimulating to the female.41 45 55 Women are more likely to experience vaginal dryness during sex with a circumcised partner.24 28 62 The unnatural dryness may make coitus painful and result in abrasions.28 41 50 The vaginal dryness may be mistakenly attributed to female arousal disorder.55 62 O'Hara & O'Hara report that the female partner is less likely to experience orgasm when the foreskin is not present and more likely to experience orgasm or even multiple orgasms when the foreskin is present.41
Recent studies. Solinis & Yiannaki (2007) found that 46 percent of men in their study reported a worsened sex life for their partner while 33 percent reported that that their partner's sex life had improved.69
Frisch et al. (2011) studied the effects of circumcision among Danish people and reported:
"Circumcision was associated with frequent orgasm difficulties in Danish men and with a range of frequent sexual difficulties in women, notably orgasm difficulties, dyspareunia and a sense of incomplete sexual needs fulfilment."70
Podnar compared the ability to elicit bulbo-cavernosus contractions (that cause ejaculation) in circumcised and non-circumcised men. He was not able to elicit the contraction in 8 percent of foreskinned men, however in circumcised men he could not elicit contractions in 73 percent. Among men with permanently retracted foreskins, he could not elicit contractions in 64 percent..71
Bronselaer et al. (2013) carried out a large study in Belgium to measure comparative penile sensation. Circumcised men experienced decreased sexual pleasure and lower orgasm intensity as compared with non-circumcised men. Circumcised men reported more pain, discomfort, numbness, and unusual sensations..72
The evidence of harm to sexual pleasure and function of both the male and his female partner caused by male circumcision is now conclusive and irrefutable.
Library Holdings
Documents are indexed in the approximate chronological order of publication.
One should also see The Ridged Band website. (link to research.cirp.org)
One should also see Circumcision and Sexuality. (link to www.circumstitions.com)
This page brings together, in one place, scattered material relevant to the study of the role of the foreskin in human sexuality, and the dysfunction caused by its amputation.
Summary of the literature
Protection. The foreskin in the adult male either partially or completely covers the glans penis.40 The foreskin protects the glans penis from friction and from dryness.28 The foreskin maintains the sub-preputial space in a state of wetness with prostatic, vesicular and urethral secretions.17 The glans penis is covered with mucosa, not skin, so the wetness is essential for optimum health. There may be a correlation between wetness and sensitivity. Removal of the prepuce by circumcision results in a change in the appearance of the glans penis. The color tends to change from a red-purple to a light pink in caucausians and the texture changes from a glossy finish to a matte finish and becomes dull rather than shiny. Some believe that the epithelium of the glans thickens after removal of the foreskin to provide additional layers of protection and that this keratinization deadens sensation.10 Morgan (1965) said, "Removal of the prepuce exposes the glans to foreign stimuli which dull these special receptors.11 Bigelow (1994) observed that improvement in glanular sensitivity is the most frequently reported outcome of foreskin restoration.26 Pertot (1994) reports that the glans becomes softer after foreskin restoration.27 These older papers do not recognize the sensitivity of the foreskin itself.
Some doctors who are associated with the Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Yeshiva University have carried out measurements of glanular sensitivity in both circumcised and intact males.53 54 Bleustein et al. (2003) claimed to measure overall penile sensitivity, but their methodology made that impossible. Even though the high innervation,6 21 2940 the sensitivity,12 39 51 and the erogenous nature,6 of the foreskin had been reported previously, the foreskin inexplicably was not tested. The foreskin was held back out of the way53 54 and the contribution of the foreskin to overall penile sensitivity was not determined. Their studies reported little difference in glanular sensitivity between circumcised and intact males.53 54 If that is the case, then the decrease in penile sensitivity after circumcision and the increase noted after foreskin restoration must lie elsewhere.57 The most likely location is in the foreskin.57 Denniston reported loss of sexual pleasure in a survey of males circumcised in adulthood.61 The most recent study finds that the intact penis is about four times more sensitive than the circumcised penis.67
Mechanical function. The foreskin provides mechanical functions to facilitate intromission and penetration. Several authorities observe that the penis enters the vagina without friction as the foreskin unfolds.4 9 10 11 Taves (2002) reported that excision of the foreskin by circumcision increases the ******* required to penetrate by ten-fold.51 Shen et al.reported 43.1 percent of men cirumcised as adults experience difficult penetration.59 After penetration, the foreskin provides a gliding action that greatly reduces friction,4 9 11 15 41 49and vaginal dryness.27 40 50 55
Elasticity. The foreskin has a layer of smooth muscle tissue called the peripenic muscle,1 which is part of the dartos muscle.1 39 The contraction and expansion of the muscle fibers in this layer give the foreskin great elasticity and are important in erogenous sensation. Lakshmanan & Prakash report a "mosaic of muscle tissues and elastic fibres" contained between the two layers of the foreskin, which keep the foreskin snugly against in the glans penis in a close fit.15 The muscle fibres must stretch to allow the foreskin to retract over the glans and contract again when the foreskin returns to its normal forward position. The expansion and contraction of the muscle fibres during coitus allows the foreskin to stretch. The stretching deformes the Meissner corpuscles and produces sensation.68 The nerve bundles run alongside the dartos muscle.40 The stretching puts tension on the nerve endings contained within the foreskin. The nerve endings deform and generate pleasurable erotic sensations to the central nervous system and inputs to the autonomic nervous system, which plays a role in controlling erection and ejaculation.57 68 Taylor (2003) reports preliminary evidence that stretching of the foreskin produces contractions associated with ejaculation.58 Taylor reports that the ridged band of the foreskin is reflexogenic and produces contractions that result in ejaculation.68
Erogenous tissue. the foreskin is heavily innervated even at birth and before.5 21 The foreskin is a specific erogenous zone6 with nerve endings near the surface of the ridged band arranged in rete ridges.29 The foreskin is noted for its sensory pleasure.12 36 51 Circumcision, therefore, diminishes sexual sensation.6 9 10 11 12 18 28 31 38 57 59 62 63 64
Impotence and sexual dysfunction. The nerves in the foreskin apparently provide an impulse to aid erection. Circumcision has long been associated with an increased incidence of impotence. Glover (1929) reported a case.2Winkelmann (1959) suggested impotence as a possibility,6 as did Foley (1966).10 Stinson (1973) reported five cases.13Palmer & Link (1979) reported two cases.14 More recently, additional evidence of sexual dysfunction after circumcision has emerged. Coursey et al. reported that the degradation in sexual function after circumcision is equivalent to the degradation experienced after anterior urethroplasty.47 Fink et al. reported statistically significant degradation in sexual function.49 A survey carried out in South Korea found that circumcised men reported painful erections, and diminished sexual pleasure, and a few reported curvature of the penis upon erection.48 Shen et al. (2004), in a study carried out in China, reported erectile dysfunction in 28.4 percent of the men in the study after circumcision, and 'weakened erectile confidence' in 34.7 percent.59
Premature ejaculation. Lakshmanan & Prakash (1980) report that the foreskin impinges against the corona glandis during coitus.15 The foreskin, therefore, tends to protect the corona glandis from direct stimulation by the vagina of the female partner during coitus. The corona is the most highly innervated part of the glans penis.19 Zwang argues that removal of the foreskin allows direct stimulation of the corona glandis and this may cause premature ejaculation in some males.32 O'Hara & O'Hara (1999) report more premature ejaculation in circumcised male partners.41 The presence of the foreskin, therefore, may make it easier to avoid premature ejaculation, while its absence would make it more difficult to avoid premature ejaculation. Masood et al. report that circumcision is more likely to worsen premature ejaculation than improve it.64 The Australian Study of Health and Relationships found that "26% of circumcised men but 22% of uncircumcised men reported reaching orgasm too quickly for at least one month in the previous year."65 Kim & Pang (2006) reported decreased ejaculation latency time in circumcised men but the decrease was not considered statistically significant.66
Inability to ejaculate or delayed ejaculation. While some circumcised males may suffer from a tendency toward premature ejaculation, others find that they have great difficulty in ejaculating.50 The nerves in the foreskin and ridged band are stimulated by stretching,18 57 amongst other movements. If those nerves are not present, Money (1983) argues that excision of these stretch receptors by circumcision may make ejaculation take longer.18. Some circumcised males may have to resort to prolonged and aggressive thrusting to achieve orgasm.40 49 Shen et al. (2004) reported that 32.6 percent of the men in his study reported prolonged intercourse after circumcision.59 Senkul et al. (2004) reported an appreciable increase in ejaculatory latency time (time to ejaculate).60 Thorvaldsen & Meyhoff (2005) reported that circumcised males have more difficulty with ejaculation and orgasm.63 Kim & Pang (2006) reported that circumcised men have more difficulty with masturbation.66 Solinis & Yiannaki reported that 65 percent of circumcised men in their study reported increased ejaculation time in their study.69
Loss of sexual pleasure. Denniston reported that some circumcised men would not have the operation again because of loss of sexual pleasure.61 Kim & Pang (2006) reported that 48 percent of Korean men in a survey experienced loss of mastubatory pleasure after circumcision as compared with 8 percent that experienced increased pleasure and 8 percent reported improved sexual life, but 20 percent reported worsened sexual life.66 Solinis & Yiannaki reported that 16 percent of the men in their study reported a better sex life after circumcision but 35 percent reported a worsened sex life.69
Sexual behaviour. The alteration to the sexual organ causes many circumcised males to change their sexual behavior. Foley reported that circumcised males are more likely to masturbate.10 Hooykaas et al. (1991) reported that immigrant (mostly circumcised) males have a greater tendency to engage in risky sexual behavior with prostitutes as compared with Dutch (mostly normal intact) males.23 The U. S. National Health and Social Life Survey found that circumcised males have a "more elaborated" set of sexual practices, including more masturbation, and more heterosexual oral sex.30 The British National Survey of Sexual Attitudes and Lifestyles (2000) reported that circumcised males were more likely to report having a homosexual partner and more likely to have partners from abroad as compared with normal intact males.56 Circumcised men are significantly less likely to use condoms.38 50 Many men in the Solinis and Yiannaki study reported decreased sex life after circumcision.69
Value to female partners. The foreskin has long been known to be valuable to the female partner.8 16 The presence of the foreskin is reported to be stimulating to the female.41 45 55 Women are more likely to experience vaginal dryness during sex with a circumcised partner.24 28 62 The unnatural dryness may make coitus painful and result in abrasions.28 41 50 The vaginal dryness may be mistakenly attributed to female arousal disorder.55 62 O'Hara & O'Hara report that the female partner is less likely to experience orgasm when the foreskin is not present and more likely to experience orgasm or even multiple orgasms when the foreskin is present.41
Recent studies. Solinis & Yiannaki (2007) found that 46 percent of men in their study reported a worsened sex life for their partner while 33 percent reported that that their partner's sex life had improved.69
Frisch et al. (2011) studied the effects of circumcision among Danish people and reported:
"Circumcision was associated with frequent orgasm difficulties in Danish men and with a range of frequent sexual difficulties in women, notably orgasm difficulties, dyspareunia and a sense of incomplete sexual needs fulfilment."70
Podnar compared the ability to elicit bulbo-cavernosus contractions (that cause ejaculation) in circumcised and non-circumcised men. He was not able to elicit the contraction in 8 percent of foreskinned men, however in circumcised men he could not elicit contractions in 73 percent. Among men with permanently retracted foreskins, he could not elicit contractions in 64 percent..71
Bronselaer et al. (2013) carried out a large study in Belgium to measure comparative penile sensation. Circumcised men experienced decreased sexual pleasure and lower orgasm intensity as compared with non-circumcised men. Circumcised men reported more pain, discomfort, numbness, and unusual sensations..72
The evidence of harm to sexual pleasure and function of both the male and his female partner caused by male circumcision is now conclusive and irrefutable.
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One should also see The Ridged Band website. (link to research.cirp.org)
One should also see Circumcision and Sexuality. (link to www.circumstitions.com)
Hmmm, uncircumsized cocks equal better sex!
Male circumcision leads to a bad sex life
November 14, 2011 - 21:47
Circumcised men have more difficulties reaching orgasm, and their female partners experience more vaginal pains and an inferior sex life, a new study shows.
Keywords: Gender, Health, HIV, Sex, The Body
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By: Niels Ebdrup
The Danish study is the first one ever to look into what effect male circumcision has on their female partners. (Photo: Colourbox)
If a man is circumcised, he faces an increased risk of experiencing delayed orgasm, and his female partner has an increased risk of not feeling sexually fulfilled.
This is the clear-cut conclusion of a new Danish research article, which has received international attention.
Some 5,000 sexually active men and women were surveyed about their experiences and possible problems with their sex lives. With a specific focus on circumcised men and their women, the results are startling.
“Circumcised men are three times as likely to experience a frequent inability to reach an orgasm,” says one of the researchers, Associate Professor Morten Frisch from Danish research enterprise SSI.
Research into the effects on women is unique
This is one of only a few studies of the sexual consequences of male circumcision, and in one area in particular it is groundbreaking:
“Previous studies into male circumcision have looked at the effects it has on the men. But scientists have never really studied the effects this has on the women's sex lives,” says Frisch.
“It appears that women with circumcised men are twice as likely to be sexually frustrated. They experience a three-fold risk of frequent difficulties in achieving orgasm, and an eight-fold risk of feeling pain during intercourse – also known as dyspareunia.”
Circumcised men prefer it rough
The study has received international attention. Politicians from California, for example, have been in contact with the researchers because they want to ban circumcision in their federal state. (Photo: Colourbox)
There appears to be a very simple reason why circumcised men and their partners are having problems with their sex lives.
The circumcised man develops a thin layer of hard skin on his penis head, which decreases the sensitivity. This means that in order to reach an orgasm, he needs to work harder at it, and that can lead to a painful experience for the woman.
“We conducted a survey, but the data does not explain why these problems occur. There are, however, some good suggestions in the scientific literature,” he explains.
When the penis enters the vagina, the foreskin is pulled back. And on its way out again, the foreskin goes back to cover the penis head. This way the foreskin stimulates both the man and the woman.
The gliding in-and-out movement of the foreskin, combined with the in-and-out movement inside the vagina, constitutes what is known as ‘the gliding movement’.
“When a circumcised man moves in and out of a woman without 'the gliding movement' caused by the foreskin, it can have a painful effect on the woman's mucous membrane. This could explain the pain and the tendency towards dryness that some women with circumcised men experience.”
Sources of error were filtered out
A vast majority of the circumcised men in the study were circumcised based on a doctor's estimate.
Facts
In the U.S. some 50 percent of all boys are circumcised.
Circumcision is – or rather has been – common in many English-speaking countries. This is due to a trend from the Victorian age where doctors recommended that boys should be circumcised as this would make it more difficult to masturbate.
At the time, masturbation was thought to lead to a long list of problems, including mental illness and typhus.
“Only five percent of all Danish men are circumcised, yet we have statistically valid evidence that male circumcision can be associated with sexual problems.
The study did not involve many religiously circumcised men – Jews and Muslims, for example. But even with these factors taken into account, the data pointed in the same direction. The statistical analyses also took a long list of additional relevant factors into account, including:
“We adjusted for all these factors in an attempt to ensure that circumcision is the actual cause, and that the link isn’t attributable to other factors.”
- Age
- Cultural background
- Religious background
- Marital status
- Levels of education
- Household income
- Age at first intercourse
- Number of sex partners
- Frequency of sexual activity with one partner in the past year
Bottom-line results were clear
Frisch mentions an example of how things get muddled up if researchers do not adjust for possible sources of error when they work with statistics:
“If, for instance, you look at people who ******* lots of beer, you'll see that they face an increased risk of developing lung cancer, compared to those who don't ******* much,” he says. “But it's not the drinking itself that causes the lung cancer. There just happens to be a correlation between drinking and smoking, and it is actually the smoking that causes the lung cancer.”
These kinds of error sources were taken into account, and the bottom-line results were clear:
“We’re seeing a consistent picture. Even though most circumcised men – and their women – do not have problems with their sex lives, there is a significantly larger group of circumcised men and their female partners who experience frequent problems in achieving orgasm, compared to couples where the man is not circumcised.”
Facts
Narrowed foreskin is popularly known as ‘Spanish Collar’ and scientifically as ‘phimosis’.
For half a century, large surveys have shown that problems with phimosis sort themselves out in childhood for up to 99% of boys. Nevertheless, this condition is still being used as a major argument for routine circumcision in many countries.
In addition, there are significantly more women with circumcised men, who experience vaginal pains during intercourse or feel that their sexual needs are not met.
Further studies needed
Frisch hopes this new study will be replicated by researchers in other countries and cultures.
“That way we can ascertain whether this phenomenon applies to Danes only or whether it extends into other cultures too,” he says. “All in all, I have a humble approach to our findings, so I would also like to see whether other Danish studies would reach the same conclusions.”
Study resonates internationally
According to Frisch, the study has received a great deal of international attention. For example, he has been contacted by politicians in California, who are very pleased with the results of the study because they want to ban circumcision in their federal state.
Others are less excited, saying the research is controversial.
“This is a highly sensitive issue, and some people oppose the publication of this kind of research. Some people have actually tried to stop the publication of our article,” he explains.
A question of ethics
Certain groups and individuals are lobbying in favour circumcising all men, explains Frisch. Not necessarily out of religious concern, but because they believe that circumcision has a health-promotional effect. In Africa, for instance, there are indications that circumcision could reduce the risk of HIV infection.
Read the article in Danish at videnskab.dk
Marg Illard
Female
ON FEMALE SATISFACTION. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Human_penis_size/Archive_2
Sorry, but as a female having done considerable lay research (physical and reading) NO THE FEMALE SATISFACTION ISSUE HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED even close to satisfactorily. The fact is that WOMEN CONSISTENTLY LIE to make their men feel better about themselves. The real facts are that NO MORE THAN 30% of women have experienced vaginal orgasm and I put to you that it is indeed related to size (ok some due to method as well) but size (girth and length) is an important component. Women such as myself have been mislead for decades if not centuries into believing that not having vaginal orgasms was medically NORMAL because it is statistically COMMON (normal). Let me notify you ladies that you do not need to accept a life without vaginal orgasm unless you want to. But ladies, please stop spreading the falsehood that you are satisfied. Yes you may be satisfied by your man's behaviour, attitude, and fatherly talents, if you aren't experiencing vaginal orgasms HE IS NOT SATISFYING YOU... not in that respect. That would be like a guy who only ejaculates after hand/blow jobs instead of vaginal intercourse saying he's "satisfied" by his wife's vagina, I doubt that would fly!!! I came to this realisation following an internet article that may indeed be sponsored by penis enlargement money, may indeed be skewing numbers in their favor. BUT ONE FACT REMAINS, MOST WOMEN ARE NOT HAVING VAGINAL ORGASMS, that is an undisputed truth. And from my personal experience and from ladies around me, size (girth & length) does matter. Now please don't go on about how "sometimes big is too big" of course, crikey, we're talking averages here NOT extremes!!!! And to the scientists out there, please stop listening to opinions such as "my husband's size is just fine" from ladies having known only a couple of men in their life. Until you've had bigger, you DON'T KNOW what big or small is! Experience is everything. THIS ARTICLE NEEDS TO SERIOUSLY ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF FEMALE LACK OF VAGINAL ORGASM. Ladies: 5-6" length with Mars Bar girth (4") simply won't do it, if that's the average man, no wonder so many of us have been lacking in pleasure!! I realise I have not given you references as most of this edit is a matter of opinion, except for percentages of non vaginal orgasms. Innumerable studies have demonstrated that the number varies between 25% and 35%. --Tallard 08:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, but as a female having done considerable lay research (physical and reading) NO THE FEMALE SATISFACTION ISSUE HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED even close to satisfactorily. The fact is that WOMEN CONSISTENTLY LIE to make their men feel better about themselves. The real facts are that NO MORE THAN 30% of women have experienced vaginal orgasm and I put to you that it is indeed related to size (ok some due to method as well) but size (girth and length) is an important component. Women such as myself have been mislead for decades if not centuries into believing that not having vaginal orgasms was medically NORMAL because it is statistically COMMON (normal). Let me notify you ladies that you do not need to accept a life without vaginal orgasm unless you want to. But ladies, please stop spreading the falsehood that you are satisfied. Yes you may be satisfied by your man's behaviour, attitude, and fatherly talents, if you aren't experiencing vaginal orgasms HE IS NOT SATISFYING YOU... not in that respect. That would be like a guy who only ejaculates after hand/blow jobs instead of vaginal intercourse saying he's "satisfied" by his wife's vagina, I doubt that would fly!!! I came to this realisation following an internet article that may indeed be sponsored by penis enlargement money, may indeed be skewing numbers in their favor. BUT ONE FACT REMAINS, MOST WOMEN ARE NOT HAVING VAGINAL ORGASMS, that is an undisputed truth. And from my personal experience and from ladies around me, size (girth & length) does matter. Now please don't go on about how "sometimes big is too big" of course, crikey, we're talking averages here NOT extremes!!!! And to the scientists out there, please stop listening to opinions such as "my husband's size is just fine" from ladies having known only a couple of men in their life. Until you've had bigger, you DON'T KNOW what big or small is! Experience is everything. THIS ARTICLE NEEDS TO SERIOUSLY ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF FEMALE LACK OF VAGINAL ORGASM. Ladies: 5-6" length with Mars Bar girth (4") simply won't do it, if that's the average man, no wonder so many of us have been lacking in pleasure!! I realise I have not given you references as most of this edit is a matter of opinion, except for percentages of non vaginal orgasms. Innumerable studies have demonstrated that the number varies between 25% and 35%. --Tallard 08:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
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NO MORE THAN 30% of women have experienced vaginal orgasm and I put to you that it is indeed related to size (ok some due to method as well) but size (girth and length) is an important component
Then why can't most achieve vaginal orgasm even when using dildos? They come in all shapes and sizes and can even vibrate. Read the "Hite Report on Female Sexuality" and be amazed! Many women actually use vibrators on their clitoris alone when masturbating and a lot can't achieve orgasm through vaginal stimulation alone, even when a full range of size, shape and techniques is completely available as in a masturbation scenario.
But yes, length, girth and turgency all play a role. Maybe size is correlated with vaginal orgasm, but the fact remains, most women can't reach it even when "practial" restrictions aren't involved.
"And to the scientists out there, please stop listening to opinions such as "my husband's size is just fine" from ladies having known only a couple of men in their life"
Well, dildos count too when evaluating the relevance penis of size.
My main point is that from your speech, any or at least most women should be able to achive orgasm through vaginal stimulation alone when shape is not an issue. Female masturbation and the lack of vaginal orgams while doing it prove you WRONG. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.180.38.227 (talk) 01:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC).
Dildos have no place in the discussion of female satisfaction according to penis size. Unfortunately, dildos rarely correctly represent male anatomy. And even the few makers who strive to imitate life, none achieve similarity in texture and temperature or psychological impact, nor does the female handling of a dildo deliver the same response as the male's hip action against the vulva. And no, men's penises do not "vibrate" so what's your point?? Women commonly achieve orgasm through clitoral masturbation because our own hand does nothing to emulate a penis and even if it could, we can't really reach that way... Fortunately for men, masturbation with their hand does give a certain level of approximation to copulation. But for the sake of statistical validity, one must stick to valid comparisons, compare dildos to dildos, compare penises to penises. So we must ask the question WHEN USING A DILDO VAGINALLY, DOES A PEN SIZE DILDO PROCURE THE SAME ENJOYMENT AS AN AVERAGE MALE SIZED DILDO OR TO A LARGE DILDO. Fortunately, male-female intercourse includes body warmth, hip & pelvic bones, squeezable bums and backs as well as visual stimulation, therefore when comparing penis size, those factors are a constant, they are missing from dildo action, it's no surprise that dildos don't give vaginal satisfaction. Dildos are completely NOT designed for vaginal climaxing on their own nor can I see them becoming it anytime in the near future. The female orgasm is not based on a single factor such as "simply a penis" but on a complete experience. Now given an EQUAL "complete experience", is penis size important: yes. --Tallard 04:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
You are one the most deceitful persons I've "met" in a long time. Your point was that women did not achieve vaginal orgasm due to small penis size of the male partner. Now my point was very simple, most don't achieve it either when using dildos and the main purpose of a dildo is vaginal stimulation. Do you actually think dildos dildos rarely correctly represent male anatomy? Well that's because they provide more vaginal stimulation this way. Plus my point was that there is nothing stopping them from correctly representing male a penis of gargantuan size (and sometimes they do). Then in a pure exercise of dishonesty you shift from penis size to a holistic view of body warmth and psychological impact. Well I could also throw an hypothesis that most women don't reach vaginal orgasm because men should be warmer and not only 98.6 °F and that when women copulate with men over 100°F they easily reach vaginal orgasm. This is the kind of bogus shift in argument you are using. You have are self-deluded. Most women don't usually reach orgasm through vaginal stimulation alone, no mater what the circumstances. Don't like it? (I don't) File a complaint with the maker.
Read some comments of porn-stars (when they are past their prime so that they can be honest) and they will corroborate this. Lookup Asia Carrera. She once stated that she was lucky she could easily achive orgasm through vaginal stimulation alone because most women and even co-workers can't. And there's plenty of big penis in the porn industry I can assure you. 87.196.201.89
Hear hear !!!!!!! Hiyahiyahiya 02:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
The internet is not the best source for data on average penis size. There are a lot of sites supported by the penis enlargement industry, which has a clear motive to inflate the average as much as possible. Numbers from the internet are also more likely to come from internet polls, which are self-reported, which usually adds at least half an inch to the average. Based on my research (which I don't claim to be any good), I'd bet that the average is around 6 on a good day, and closer to 5 when measuring flaccid-stretched, by-a-doctor-so-not-quite-fully-erect, and/or non-bone-pressed. LWizard@ 09:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
The above data that Raddicks himself inserted gives an average length of 5.75 and girth of just over 4.75. And that's the *average* size. That's not 5.5-7 that's about 90% of men between 4.75 to 6.75.WolfKeeper 09:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
It happens that the subject here has been one I've made a study of since high school (I'm seventy). Originally, my reasons may have been the obvious ones, but that changed when I realized that sex - one of the most basic of human behaviots and motivators, could tell a psychologist and sociologist a great deal about what to expect from other kinds of research, news reporting, public opinion, and the like. There seems to be nothing that human beings fear more than truth - and therefore, thought itself.
While I never abated my curiosity about human sexual behavior, mores related, and things related to sex generally, several times I had occasion to intensify my study. Once was a time I worked as a policeman, and attended both FBI and state law enforment academies. Having become acquainted with several prostitutes and aware of the source of information they represented, I asked them a number of questions which relate to the subject here. As I've said elsewhere here (Wikipedia), it has always amazed me to hear supposed and purported experts say that male penis size doesn't matter. Unless one is prepared to argue that varied positions during sex (the Japanese Shijuhatte - Kama Sutra) are disinteresting to women, it is obvious that since a number of positions require a long and hard cock, size matters.
Size contraints what they are here, let me offer what I have learned about the subject. My friends who are prostitutes, together with the number who have been referred by my friends (sixty four, in all, and divided equally among Afro, Caucasion, and oriental - four less than equal, in this respect) ALL tell me that the biggest penis they've seen was that of a Caucasion. They are agreed (eighty-one percent), though, that no real difference exists in cock size where black men and white; Oriental men, on the other hand, are not generally (there were exceptions in the recollections of four women) so well endowed. The question of endurance was another matter entirely. Ninety percent of the pros said that Caucasian males were better lovers where endurance was concerned, and of the ninety percent, ninety-one percent said that endurance was the most important male attribute where sex was the question.
It happens, too, that I have had sex with something around three hundred women. Among these twenty or so (still my good friends, by the way - enough to tell me the truth) say they've had sex with as many as forty men. Four are Afro-American, nine, Oriental, the rest Caucasian. All - that's without exception - agree with their professional sisters concerning what I reported above here. It happens that with small skewing, their experience where race is concerned is fairly close to national proportions. Using forty as the standard number, the girls said that of their forty they had enjoyed sex with six black guys, and two Orientals.
All of the women I know (and have been able to ask the questions relative here) agree that skill - especially that having to do with sexual positions - is critical to a man's sexual prowess with women.
One other thing: for a time - long enough for the fact to have become apparent in my society back home - I devoted most of my efforts toward younger (much, in most instance college-age) women. What I learned, however, was that sex being a physical activity that like any other requires practice in order to acquire skill, young women - the collage age that sexual behavior surveys always seem to involve - aren't very good at sex. They aren't really full participants, in other words. The point illustrates the tendency for surveys and opinons otherwise to be biased by the human tendency to believe one wants to believe, and to avoid thought on the subject. The U.S. worships (I use the word advisedly - its religious in nature) youth. Thought, on the other hand, is ruthlessly inconsiderate of race, gender, and all the other things to which human beings relate so irrevocably. Thought would much sooner have the opinion of someone more likely to have experience (which would you prefer for your surgery, a surgeon just out of medical school, or one of twenty years practice?).
The subject of sex is very similar to any other done by human beings. You can learn a lot about you country, its politics, and the rest from it.
Sorry, but as a female having done considerable lay research (physical and reading) NO THE FEMALE SATISFACTION ISSUE HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED even close to satisfactorily. The fact is that WOMEN CONSISTENTLY LIE to make their men feel better about themselves. The real facts are that NO MORE THAN 30% of women have experienced vaginal orgasm and I put to you that it is indeed related to size (ok some due to method as well) but size (girth and length) is an important component. Women such as myself have been mislead for decades if not centuries into believing that not having vaginal orgasms was medically NORMAL because it is statistically COMMON (normal). Let me notify you ladies that you do not need to accept a life without vaginal orgasm unless you want to. But ladies, please stop spreading the falsehood that you are satisfied. Yes you may be satisfied by your man's behaviour, attitude, and fatherly talents, if you aren't experiencing vaginal orgasms HE IS NOT SATISFYING YOU... not in that respect. That would be like a guy who only ejaculates after hand/blow jobs instead of vaginal intercourse saying he's "satisfied" by his wife's vagina, I doubt that would fly!!! I came to this realisation following an internet article that may indeed be sponsored by penis enlargement money, may indeed be skewing numbers in their favor. BUT ONE FACT REMAINS, MOST WOMEN ARE NOT HAVING VAGINAL ORGASMS, that is an undisputed truth. And from my personal experience and from ladies around me, size (girth & length) does matter. Now please don't go on about how "sometimes big is too big" of course, crikey, we're talking averages here NOT extremes!!!! And to the scientists out there, please stop listening to opinions such as "my husband's size is just fine" from ladies having known only a couple of men in their life. Until you've had bigger, you DON'T KNOW what big or small is! Experience is everything. THIS ARTICLE NEEDS TO SERIOUSLY ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF FEMALE LACK OF VAGINAL ORGASM. Ladies: 5-6" length with Mars Bar girth (4") simply won't do it, if that's the average man, no wonder so many of us have been lacking in pleasure!! I realise I have not given you references as most of this edit is a matter of opinion, except for percentages of non vaginal orgasms. Innumerable studies have demonstrated that the number varies between 25% and 35%. --Tallard 08:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, but as a female having done considerable lay research (physical and reading) NO THE FEMALE SATISFACTION ISSUE HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED even close to satisfactorily. The fact is that WOMEN CONSISTENTLY LIE to make their men feel better about themselves. The real facts are that NO MORE THAN 30% of women have experienced vaginal orgasm and I put to you that it is indeed related to size (ok some due to method as well) but size (girth and length) is an important component. Women such as myself have been mislead for decades if not centuries into believing that not having vaginal orgasms was medically NORMAL because it is statistically COMMON (normal). Let me notify you ladies that you do not need to accept a life without vaginal orgasm unless you want to. But ladies, please stop spreading the falsehood that you are satisfied. Yes you may be satisfied by your man's behaviour, attitude, and fatherly talents, if you aren't experiencing vaginal orgasms HE IS NOT SATISFYING YOU... not in that respect. That would be like a guy who only ejaculates after hand/blow jobs instead of vaginal intercourse saying he's "satisfied" by his wife's vagina, I doubt that would fly!!! I came to this realisation following an internet article that may indeed be sponsored by penis enlargement money, may indeed be skewing numbers in their favor. BUT ONE FACT REMAINS, MOST WOMEN ARE NOT HAVING VAGINAL ORGASMS, that is an undisputed truth. And from my personal experience and from ladies around me, size (girth & length) does matter. Now please don't go on about how "sometimes big is too big" of course, crikey, we're talking averages here NOT extremes!!!! And to the scientists out there, please stop listening to opinions such as "my husband's size is just fine" from ladies having known only a couple of men in their life. Until you've had bigger, you DON'T KNOW what big or small is! Experience is everything. THIS ARTICLE NEEDS TO SERIOUSLY ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF FEMALE LACK OF VAGINAL ORGASM. Ladies: 5-6" length with Mars Bar girth (4") simply won't do it, if that's the average man, no wonder so many of us have been lacking in pleasure!! I realise I have not given you references as most of this edit is a matter of opinion, except for percentages of non vaginal orgasms. Innumerable studies have demonstrated that the number varies between 25% and 35%. --Tallard 08:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
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NO MORE THAN 30% of women have experienced vaginal orgasm and I put to you that it is indeed related to size (ok some due to method as well) but size (girth and length) is an important component
Then why can't most achieve vaginal orgasm even when using dildos? They come in all shapes and sizes and can even vibrate. Read the "Hite Report on Female Sexuality" and be amazed! Many women actually use vibrators on their clitoris alone when masturbating and a lot can't achieve orgasm through vaginal stimulation alone, even when a full range of size, shape and techniques is completely available as in a masturbation scenario.
But yes, length, girth and turgency all play a role. Maybe size is correlated with vaginal orgasm, but the fact remains, most women can't reach it even when "practial" restrictions aren't involved.
"And to the scientists out there, please stop listening to opinions such as "my husband's size is just fine" from ladies having known only a couple of men in their life"
Well, dildos count too when evaluating the relevance penis of size.
My main point is that from your speech, any or at least most women should be able to achive orgasm through vaginal stimulation alone when shape is not an issue. Female masturbation and the lack of vaginal orgams while doing it prove you WRONG. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.180.38.227 (talk) 01:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC).
Dildos have no place in the discussion of female satisfaction according to penis size. Unfortunately, dildos rarely correctly represent male anatomy. And even the few makers who strive to imitate life, none achieve similarity in texture and temperature or psychological impact, nor does the female handling of a dildo deliver the same response as the male's hip action against the vulva. And no, men's penises do not "vibrate" so what's your point?? Women commonly achieve orgasm through clitoral masturbation because our own hand does nothing to emulate a penis and even if it could, we can't really reach that way... Fortunately for men, masturbation with their hand does give a certain level of approximation to copulation. But for the sake of statistical validity, one must stick to valid comparisons, compare dildos to dildos, compare penises to penises. So we must ask the question WHEN USING A DILDO VAGINALLY, DOES A PEN SIZE DILDO PROCURE THE SAME ENJOYMENT AS AN AVERAGE MALE SIZED DILDO OR TO A LARGE DILDO. Fortunately, male-female intercourse includes body warmth, hip & pelvic bones, squeezable bums and backs as well as visual stimulation, therefore when comparing penis size, those factors are a constant, they are missing from dildo action, it's no surprise that dildos don't give vaginal satisfaction. Dildos are completely NOT designed for vaginal climaxing on their own nor can I see them becoming it anytime in the near future. The female orgasm is not based on a single factor such as "simply a penis" but on a complete experience. Now given an EQUAL "complete experience", is penis size important: yes. --Tallard 04:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
You are one the most deceitful persons I've "met" in a long time. Your point was that women did not achieve vaginal orgasm due to small penis size of the male partner. Now my point was very simple, most don't achieve it either when using dildos and the main purpose of a dildo is vaginal stimulation. Do you actually think dildos dildos rarely correctly represent male anatomy? Well that's because they provide more vaginal stimulation this way. Plus my point was that there is nothing stopping them from correctly representing male a penis of gargantuan size (and sometimes they do). Then in a pure exercise of dishonesty you shift from penis size to a holistic view of body warmth and psychological impact. Well I could also throw an hypothesis that most women don't reach vaginal orgasm because men should be warmer and not only 98.6 °F and that when women copulate with men over 100°F they easily reach vaginal orgasm. This is the kind of bogus shift in argument you are using. You have are self-deluded. Most women don't usually reach orgasm through vaginal stimulation alone, no mater what the circumstances. Don't like it? (I don't) File a complaint with the maker.
Read some comments of porn-stars (when they are past their prime so that they can be honest) and they will corroborate this. Lookup Asia Carrera. She once stated that she was lucky she could easily achive orgasm through vaginal stimulation alone because most women and even co-workers can't. And there's plenty of big penis in the porn industry I can assure you. 87.196.201.89
Hear hear !!!!!!! Hiyahiyahiya 02:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
The internet is not the best source for data on average penis size. There are a lot of sites supported by the penis enlargement industry, which has a clear motive to inflate the average as much as possible. Numbers from the internet are also more likely to come from internet polls, which are self-reported, which usually adds at least half an inch to the average. Based on my research (which I don't claim to be any good), I'd bet that the average is around 6 on a good day, and closer to 5 when measuring flaccid-stretched, by-a-doctor-so-not-quite-fully-erect, and/or non-bone-pressed. LWizard@ 09:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
The above data that Raddicks himself inserted gives an average length of 5.75 and girth of just over 4.75. And that's the *average* size. That's not 5.5-7 that's about 90% of men between 4.75 to 6.75.WolfKeeper 09:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
It happens that the subject here has been one I've made a study of since high school (I'm seventy). Originally, my reasons may have been the obvious ones, but that changed when I realized that sex - one of the most basic of human behaviots and motivators, could tell a psychologist and sociologist a great deal about what to expect from other kinds of research, news reporting, public opinion, and the like. There seems to be nothing that human beings fear more than truth - and therefore, thought itself.
While I never abated my curiosity about human sexual behavior, mores related, and things related to sex generally, several times I had occasion to intensify my study. Once was a time I worked as a policeman, and attended both FBI and state law enforment academies. Having become acquainted with several prostitutes and aware of the source of information they represented, I asked them a number of questions which relate to the subject here. As I've said elsewhere here (Wikipedia), it has always amazed me to hear supposed and purported experts say that male penis size doesn't matter. Unless one is prepared to argue that varied positions during sex (the Japanese Shijuhatte - Kama Sutra) are disinteresting to women, it is obvious that since a number of positions require a long and hard cock, size matters.
Size contraints what they are here, let me offer what I have learned about the subject. My friends who are prostitutes, together with the number who have been referred by my friends (sixty four, in all, and divided equally among Afro, Caucasion, and oriental - four less than equal, in this respect) ALL tell me that the biggest penis they've seen was that of a Caucasion. They are agreed (eighty-one percent), though, that no real difference exists in cock size where black men and white; Oriental men, on the other hand, are not generally (there were exceptions in the recollections of four women) so well endowed. The question of endurance was another matter entirely. Ninety percent of the pros said that Caucasian males were better lovers where endurance was concerned, and of the ninety percent, ninety-one percent said that endurance was the most important male attribute where sex was the question.
It happens, too, that I have had sex with something around three hundred women. Among these twenty or so (still my good friends, by the way - enough to tell me the truth) say they've had sex with as many as forty men. Four are Afro-American, nine, Oriental, the rest Caucasian. All - that's without exception - agree with their professional sisters concerning what I reported above here. It happens that with small skewing, their experience where race is concerned is fairly close to national proportions. Using forty as the standard number, the girls said that of their forty they had enjoyed sex with six black guys, and two Orientals.
All of the women I know (and have been able to ask the questions relative here) agree that skill - especially that having to do with sexual positions - is critical to a man's sexual prowess with women.
One other thing: for a time - long enough for the fact to have become apparent in my society back home - I devoted most of my efforts toward younger (much, in most instance college-age) women. What I learned, however, was that sex being a physical activity that like any other requires practice in order to acquire skill, young women - the collage age that sexual behavior surveys always seem to involve - aren't very good at sex. They aren't really full participants, in other words. The point illustrates the tendency for surveys and opinons otherwise to be biased by the human tendency to believe one wants to believe, and to avoid thought on the subject. The U.S. worships (I use the word advisedly - its religious in nature) youth. Thought, on the other hand, is ruthlessly inconsiderate of race, gender, and all the other things to which human beings relate so irrevocably. Thought would much sooner have the opinion of someone more likely to have experience (which would you prefer for your surgery, a surgeon just out of medical school, or one of twenty years practice?).
The subject of sex is very similar to any other done by human beings. You can learn a lot about you country, its politics, and the rest from it.
Marg Illard
Female
A quote from a nurse in Pediatrics: I have seen over 300 circumcisions (over a period of 1 year) of babies from the age of birth to 1 month old. To perform a circumcision on an *******, a pediatrician uses a device called a Plastibell. The Plastibell comes in 6 sizes. Already from birth, a Black baby has a larger penis. We always end up using one of the larger sized Plastibells. White babies are from medium to large. And Asian babies are from small to medium.
This makes perfect sense. Since the size of a male's reproductive organs is not only affected by genetics, but also by how much testosterone that body produces.
Having a larger penis only has one real evolutionary advantage. It allows the male to deliver the sperm farther into the woman's birth canal, slightly increasing the chance for the sperm to impregnate the ovum.
"A French Army Surgeon (1898/1972), a 30-year specialist in
genitourinary diseases} makes reference to numerous anatomical
distinctions which show a similar pattern of whites being between
blacks and Orientals. ... size of genitalia (Orientals smallest,
blacks largest). We averaged the ethnographic data on erect penis and
found the means to approximate: Orientals, 4 to 5.5 in. in length and
1.25 in. in diameter; Caucasians, 5.5 to 6 in. in length and 1.5 in.
in diameter; blacks, 6.25 to 8 in. in length and 2 in. in diameter."
(Rushton, J.P. & Bogaert, A.F. (1987) Race differences in sexual
behavior: Testing an evolutionary hypothesis. Journal Research in
Personality 21(4): pp. 536-7)
"We averaged the ethnographic data on erect penis and found the means
to approximate: Orientals, 4 to 5.5 in. in length and 1.25 in. in
diameter; Caucasions, 5.5 to 6 in. in length and 1.5 in. in diameter;
blacks, 6.25 to 8 in. in length and 2 in. in diameter."
This makes perfect sense. Since the size of a male's reproductive organs is not only affected by genetics, but also by how much testosterone that body produces.
Having a larger penis only has one real evolutionary advantage. It allows the male to deliver the sperm farther into the woman's birth canal, slightly increasing the chance for the sperm to impregnate the ovum.
"A French Army Surgeon (1898/1972), a 30-year specialist in
genitourinary diseases} makes reference to numerous anatomical
distinctions which show a similar pattern of whites being between
blacks and Orientals. ... size of genitalia (Orientals smallest,
blacks largest). We averaged the ethnographic data on erect penis and
found the means to approximate: Orientals, 4 to 5.5 in. in length and
1.25 in. in diameter; Caucasians, 5.5 to 6 in. in length and 1.5 in.
in diameter; blacks, 6.25 to 8 in. in length and 2 in. in diameter."
(Rushton, J.P. & Bogaert, A.F. (1987) Race differences in sexual
behavior: Testing an evolutionary hypothesis. Journal Research in
Personality 21(4): pp. 536-7)
"We averaged the ethnographic data on erect penis and found the means
to approximate: Orientals, 4 to 5.5 in. in length and 1.25 in. in
diameter; Caucasions, 5.5 to 6 in. in length and 1.5 in. in diameter;
blacks, 6.25 to 8 in. in length and 2 in. in diameter."
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Marg Illard
Female
Here is a study on white women's vagina size. You can see clearly why girth is such an issue, most white penises can't provide as it is only 1.5" in diameter on average where as the average black penis is 2".
The white girls vagina is up to 2.5" in diameter. I suppose it is our fault for having white bois babies...there really is a shortage of large penises. Perhaps only 2% of white dick is 8" and up.
This is why 85% of white women have sex with black men and 98% of black men have sex with white women, it is such a perfect genital match. The extra 20% of testosterone that black men have over the white bois is an added bonus.
A 1996 study by Pendergrass et al. using vinyl polysiloxane castings taken from the vaginas of 39 Caucasian women, found the following ranges of dimensions:[3]
* lengths (measured using rods): 6.86 to 14.81 cm (2.7 to 5.84 inches);
* widths: 4.8 to 6.3 cm (1.88 to 2.48 inches);
* introital diameters: 2.39 to 6.45 cm (0.94 to 2.53 inches)
A second study by the same group showed significant variations in size and shape between the vaginas of women of different ethnic groups.[4] Both studies showed a wide range of vaginal shapes, described by the researchers as "Parallel sided, conical, heart, [...] slug"[3] and "pumpkin seed"[4] shapes. Barnhart et al., however, were unable to characterize the shape of the vagina as a "heart, slug, pumpkin seed or parallel sides" as suggested by the previous studies.[1]
A 2003 study by the group of Pendergrass et al. also using castings as a measurement method, measured vaginal surface areas ranging from 65.73 to 107.07 cm2 (10.19 to 16.60 sq. inches) with a mean of 87.46 cm2 (13.56 sq. inches) and a standard deviation of 7.80 cm2 (1.21 sq inches)[5]
Research published in 2006 by Barnhart et al., gave the following mean dimensions, based on MRI scans of 28 women:[1]
* Mean length from cervix to introitus: 6.27 cm (2.46").
* Mean width:
* at the proximal vagina: 3.25 cm (1.27");
* at the pelvic diaphragm: 2.78 cm (1.09");
* at the introitus: 2.62 cm (1.03")
The white girls vagina is up to 2.5" in diameter. I suppose it is our fault for having white bois babies...there really is a shortage of large penises. Perhaps only 2% of white dick is 8" and up.
This is why 85% of white women have sex with black men and 98% of black men have sex with white women, it is such a perfect genital match. The extra 20% of testosterone that black men have over the white bois is an added bonus.
A 1996 study by Pendergrass et al. using vinyl polysiloxane castings taken from the vaginas of 39 Caucasian women, found the following ranges of dimensions:[3]
* lengths (measured using rods): 6.86 to 14.81 cm (2.7 to 5.84 inches);
* widths: 4.8 to 6.3 cm (1.88 to 2.48 inches);
* introital diameters: 2.39 to 6.45 cm (0.94 to 2.53 inches)
A second study by the same group showed significant variations in size and shape between the vaginas of women of different ethnic groups.[4] Both studies showed a wide range of vaginal shapes, described by the researchers as "Parallel sided, conical, heart, [...] slug"[3] and "pumpkin seed"[4] shapes. Barnhart et al., however, were unable to characterize the shape of the vagina as a "heart, slug, pumpkin seed or parallel sides" as suggested by the previous studies.[1]
A 2003 study by the group of Pendergrass et al. also using castings as a measurement method, measured vaginal surface areas ranging from 65.73 to 107.07 cm2 (10.19 to 16.60 sq. inches) with a mean of 87.46 cm2 (13.56 sq. inches) and a standard deviation of 7.80 cm2 (1.21 sq inches)[5]
Research published in 2006 by Barnhart et al., gave the following mean dimensions, based on MRI scans of 28 women:[1]
* Mean length from cervix to introitus: 6.27 cm (2.46").
* Mean width:
* at the proximal vagina: 3.25 cm (1.27");
* at the pelvic diaphragm: 2.78 cm (1.09");
* at the introitus: 2.62 cm (1.03")
I do my research on my back. And it's all about the 10.5 or fat 9 1/2 nothing below that.
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Marg Illard
Female
White Girls prefer Black men. If we as a society can be like Brazil in racial equality in the work place, we would have more Malatto in the US...a most beautiful and sexual race.
BBC should be a priority in the gene pool of man. This is our duty girls.
Some wisdom for you:
"Society is great when old men plant trees knowing full well they will never enjoy their shade."
A study from Rutgers University in New Rochelle, NJ, has concluded that approximately 87 percent of American White women have had sexual relations with African American males in the last five years, according to the Sexual Sociolgical Endowment in the Cultural Historology department, at Rutgers University. Studies concluded that white women are married, or single, and that the 'myth of the big black penis' drove them all to wild ecstacy and an insatiable need for inter-racial sex. Studies also concluded that White Women in general are intellectually too deficient to think the myth through in order to be able to dismiss it. There are also record numbers of white women bailing their "negroes' out of jail so that the "sex can continue."
A study from Rutgers University in New Rochelle, NJ, has concluded that approximately 87 percent of American White women have had or fantasize about having sexual relations with African American males. The study was conducted by the Sexual Sociological Endowment in the Cultural Histology department, at Rutgers University.
The study reveals that a whopping 87% of white women dream of having sex with a Black man and in some cases many already have. Interestingly enough, the same study says only 13% of white women said they would would marry and raise a family with a Black man. Of the 800 involved in the study, 8 percent said they have actually dreamed of having a threesome with Black men.
The fact that there is such a huge disparity between the number of white women who want to have sex with Black men versus those who would marry Black men, shows that many still have stereotypical view of Black men. Black men are seen as sexual masters in the bedroom but almost complete absent from the corporate boardroom.
So when it comes to sex, most white women would prefer a Black man but they look toward their own white men when they are looking for a provider.
Note: Alas, the 3" White penis gene from a weathy CEO, gets another kick at the can in the male gene pool which sucks for yhe next girl. It is a vicious circle. Sigh.
BBC should be a priority in the gene pool of man. This is our duty girls.
Some wisdom for you:
"Society is great when old men plant trees knowing full well they will never enjoy their shade."
A study from Rutgers University in New Rochelle, NJ, has concluded that approximately 87 percent of American White women have had sexual relations with African American males in the last five years, according to the Sexual Sociolgical Endowment in the Cultural Historology department, at Rutgers University. Studies concluded that white women are married, or single, and that the 'myth of the big black penis' drove them all to wild ecstacy and an insatiable need for inter-racial sex. Studies also concluded that White Women in general are intellectually too deficient to think the myth through in order to be able to dismiss it. There are also record numbers of white women bailing their "negroes' out of jail so that the "sex can continue."
A study from Rutgers University in New Rochelle, NJ, has concluded that approximately 87 percent of American White women have had or fantasize about having sexual relations with African American males. The study was conducted by the Sexual Sociological Endowment in the Cultural Histology department, at Rutgers University.
The study reveals that a whopping 87% of white women dream of having sex with a Black man and in some cases many already have. Interestingly enough, the same study says only 13% of white women said they would would marry and raise a family with a Black man. Of the 800 involved in the study, 8 percent said they have actually dreamed of having a threesome with Black men.
The fact that there is such a huge disparity between the number of white women who want to have sex with Black men versus those who would marry Black men, shows that many still have stereotypical view of Black men. Black men are seen as sexual masters in the bedroom but almost complete absent from the corporate boardroom.
So when it comes to sex, most white women would prefer a Black man but they look toward their own white men when they are looking for a provider.
Note: Alas, the 3" White penis gene from a weathy CEO, gets another kick at the can in the male gene pool which sucks for yhe next girl. It is a vicious circle. Sigh.
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Female
Mulattoes represent a significant part of the population of various Latin American and Caribbean countries:[22] Dominican Republic (73%; all mixed-race people),[22][nb 2] Brazil (49.1% mixed-race, Gypsy and Black, Mulattoes (20.5%), Mestiços, Mamelucos or Caboclos (21.3%), Blacks (7.1%) and Eurasian (0.2%)),[23][24] Belize (25%), Colombia (25%),[22] Cuba(24.86%),[22] Haiti (1-5%).[22]
In colonial Latin America, mulato could also refer to an individual of mixed African and Native American ancestry.[25] In the 21st century, persons with indigenous and black African ancestry in Latin America are more frequently called zambos in Spanish or cafuzo in Portuguese.
In the United States, due to the influence and laws making slavery a racial caste and later practices of hypodescent, white colonists and settlers tended to classify persons of mixed African and Native American ancestry as black, regardless of how they identified themselves, or sometimes as black Indians. But many tribes had matrilineal kinship systems and practices of absorbing other peoples into their cultures. Multiracial children born to Native American mothers were customarily raised in her specific tribal culture. Federally recognized Indian tribes have insisted that identity and membership is related to culture, and that individuals brought up within tribal culture are fully members, regardless of whether they have some European or African ancestry. . than race, and many have had mixed-race members who identify primarily as of the tribes.
If the children were born to slave women, they were classified under slave law as slaves, and more likely raised within the African-American community and considered black. A number of African Americans in contemporary United States have ancestry including some Native American.[26]
BrazilEdit
Portrait "A Redenção de Cam" (Ham's Redemption) 1895), showing a Brazilian family in which the Black grandmother is praising the heavens because her biracial ******* had a baby that passes for white. The painting illustrates internalized racism as an after-effect of European colonization.
Further information: Race and ethnicity in Brazil
Studies carried out by the geneticist Sergio Pena conclude the average white Brazilian is 80% European, 10% Amerindian, and 10% African/black.[27] Another study, carried out by the Brazilian Journal of Medical and Biological Research, concludes the average white Brazilian is (>70%) European.[28]
According to the IBGE 2000 census, 38.5% of Brazilians identified as pardo, i.e. of mixed ancestry.[29][30] This figure includes mulatto and other multiracial people, such as people who have European and Amerindian ancestry (called caboclos), as well as assimilated, westernized Amerindians, and mestizos with some Asian ancestry. A majority of mixed-race Brazilians have all three ancestries: Amerindian, European, and African. According to the Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics census 2006, some 42.6% of Brazilian identify as pardo, an increase over the 2000 census.[31]
According to genetic studies, some of those who identify as White Brazilians (48.4%) also have some mixed-race ancestry (both Subsaharan African and Amerindian ancestry), not surprising given the multiracial history of this country. Brazilians who identify as de raça negra or de cor preta, i.e. Brazilians of Black African origin, make up 6.9% of the population; genetic studies show their average total ancestry is still mixed: 40% African, 50% European, and 10% Amerindian, but they likely grew up within visibly black communities.
Such autosomal DNA studies, which measure total genetic contribution, continue to reveal differences between how individuals identify, which is usually based in family and close community, with genetic ancestry, which may relate to a distant past they know little about. Such DNA studies were conducted of students at a school in the poor periphery of Rio de Janeiro. It found that the multiracial "pardos" were genetically more than 80% European in ancestry. "The results of the tests of genomic ancestry are quite different from the self made estimates of European ancestry", say the researchers. The test results showed that the proportion of European genetic ancestry was higher than students expected. When questioned before the test, students who identified as "pardos", for example, identified as 1/3 European, 1/3 African and 1/3 Amerindian.[32][33] On the other hand, students classified as "white" tended to overestimate their proportion of African and Amerindian genetic ancestry.[32]
In colonial Latin America, mulato could also refer to an individual of mixed African and Native American ancestry.[25] In the 21st century, persons with indigenous and black African ancestry in Latin America are more frequently called zambos in Spanish or cafuzo in Portuguese.
In the United States, due to the influence and laws making slavery a racial caste and later practices of hypodescent, white colonists and settlers tended to classify persons of mixed African and Native American ancestry as black, regardless of how they identified themselves, or sometimes as black Indians. But many tribes had matrilineal kinship systems and practices of absorbing other peoples into their cultures. Multiracial children born to Native American mothers were customarily raised in her specific tribal culture. Federally recognized Indian tribes have insisted that identity and membership is related to culture, and that individuals brought up within tribal culture are fully members, regardless of whether they have some European or African ancestry. . than race, and many have had mixed-race members who identify primarily as of the tribes.
If the children were born to slave women, they were classified under slave law as slaves, and more likely raised within the African-American community and considered black. A number of African Americans in contemporary United States have ancestry including some Native American.[26]
BrazilEdit
Portrait "A Redenção de Cam" (Ham's Redemption) 1895), showing a Brazilian family in which the Black grandmother is praising the heavens because her biracial ******* had a baby that passes for white. The painting illustrates internalized racism as an after-effect of European colonization.
Further information: Race and ethnicity in Brazil
Studies carried out by the geneticist Sergio Pena conclude the average white Brazilian is 80% European, 10% Amerindian, and 10% African/black.[27] Another study, carried out by the Brazilian Journal of Medical and Biological Research, concludes the average white Brazilian is (>70%) European.[28]
According to the IBGE 2000 census, 38.5% of Brazilians identified as pardo, i.e. of mixed ancestry.[29][30] This figure includes mulatto and other multiracial people, such as people who have European and Amerindian ancestry (called caboclos), as well as assimilated, westernized Amerindians, and mestizos with some Asian ancestry. A majority of mixed-race Brazilians have all three ancestries: Amerindian, European, and African. According to the Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics census 2006, some 42.6% of Brazilian identify as pardo, an increase over the 2000 census.[31]
According to genetic studies, some of those who identify as White Brazilians (48.4%) also have some mixed-race ancestry (both Subsaharan African and Amerindian ancestry), not surprising given the multiracial history of this country. Brazilians who identify as de raça negra or de cor preta, i.e. Brazilians of Black African origin, make up 6.9% of the population; genetic studies show their average total ancestry is still mixed: 40% African, 50% European, and 10% Amerindian, but they likely grew up within visibly black communities.
Such autosomal DNA studies, which measure total genetic contribution, continue to reveal differences between how individuals identify, which is usually based in family and close community, with genetic ancestry, which may relate to a distant past they know little about. Such DNA studies were conducted of students at a school in the poor periphery of Rio de Janeiro. It found that the multiracial "pardos" were genetically more than 80% European in ancestry. "The results of the tests of genomic ancestry are quite different from the self made estimates of European ancestry", say the researchers. The test results showed that the proportion of European genetic ancestry was higher than students expected. When questioned before the test, students who identified as "pardos", for example, identified as 1/3 European, 1/3 African and 1/3 Amerindian.[32][33] On the other hand, students classified as "white" tended to overestimate their proportion of African and Amerindian genetic ancestry.[32]
