So you think a bad agreement is better than none? The only thing this agreement does is give something for our President to wave in the air and say "Look at me, see what I did." It does nothing to make the Mideast more secure and does nothing to seriously hinder the production of nuclear weapons. Hell we are fine with them developing ICBMs
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Moron we WERE NEVER A DEMOCRACY
A Democracy is two wolves & a a lamb voting over what to have for lunch
A Libertarian Republic is a well armed lamb protesting the vote
... In a Democracy Same sex marriage never passes even in Left Wing California as majority voted against it
...In a Republic the rule of law wins over mob rules
TIRED OF STUPIDNESS YOUR FAGGOT TREASON & HATE OF THIS COUNTRY ..IF YOU DONT LIKE IT BRO GO TO IRAN ..OR STFU
ahhh, the Gorrillablackmanpimps is back with more of his "insults" ... I never said we WERE a democracy, Gorrillablackmanpimps .
And I certainly don't hate my country, far from it. And, neither will I STFU, you twig. You have an
button, use it and 
easyuk
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Although not wanting to make you think about any other countries on the planet too, but most of Western Europe is considered fairly democratic. Most of Western Europe isn't armed, most of Western Europe has no particular problem with same sex marriage.
Interesting isn't it?
easyuk
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How does one obtain this better treaty? What makes them want to sign-up to it?
Are there no potential benefits at all that you can see?
Don't encourage this retard, easyuk. Anyone who would use a racial slur as a SN doesn't deserve the respect of a sensible conversation. Wouldn't surprise me none if he's just another bisexual whiteboi wanting to emulate or be with one. This website is filling up with 'em.
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Bigwhtcockslut
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Western Europe is against mass immigration. If Western Europe was democratic the people would be allowed to vote against mass immigration without being charged with hate speech and the like.
easyuk
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If that were the case then right-wing anti-immigration parties would be in power. They are not. If you want direct democracy then you have to provide the information in it's entirity. Do you feel that people would vote to return children to war zones or to allow them to drown in the Mediterranean?
A system and government is not undemocratic simply because you disagree with it.
The governance of the EU and its institutions is a whole different story of course...
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absolutely right
but here we live in some kind of "Brussels dictatorship" so we have no real democracy
just slaves, like everywhere in the world
like people in USA, of course
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We never have been a democracy, our form of government is a republic
Not really. It doesn't make the region more secure and it does little to if anything to slow their weapons program. Good negotiation and maybe a healthy dose of fear should have been employed. They have sworn to destroy the United States which they see as the Great Satan. Remember Bin Laden we didn't take him serious and look what happened. In the case of preventing Nuclear proliferation I don't see any problem with saying "look we can go two ways on this, either agree to this verifiable treaty or we will come in and make sure you can't build nuclear weapons." Many wars start because one side perceives the other as weak. When you have the big stick don't be afraid to wave it. Obama's foreign policy has been a joke. If you remember the chain of events Crimea wasn't invaded until after Putin met Obama and sized him up in person. He read him well. The treaty with Iran is for all intents and purposes unenforceable, there is even a side deal for them to do some of their own inspections. They are allowed to upgrade their centrifuges so despite the reduced number of centrifuges their enrichment ability will actually increase at least 3 fold. And they can keep most of their centrifuges in a facility built into a mountain that is impervious to anything other than a nuclear attack.
A number of years back Libya was a major sponsor of terrorism. There were a couple of incidents with the U.S. Navy plus there was Pan Am Flight 103 that was downed by a bomb over Lockerbie, Scotland, and literally dozens of other incidents. Ronald Reagan decided enough was enough. He ordered the raid on Libya, one of the targets was a tent that Gaddafi often slept in. A 500 pound bomb was dropped on the tent, he wasn't there but he got the message and he dialed it way back and became a somewhat reputable leader. You deal with civilized people in a civilized manner, those that have designs on expanding their territories, want to export or support terrorism, or are just sociopaths the only way to deal with them is through ******* of arms. It isn't nice and often not pleasant but sometimes you just have to make it clear that what they want to do will not be tolerated and the cost of confrontation will be excessive to them.
There are a lot of people in the world and several governments that see negotiation as a weakness. That's just the way it is. The best way to avoid war is to be prepared to wage it. Nobody starts a fight or a war they figure they are going to loose.
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So Ukraine should have kept its nuclear weapons to remain safe from a much larger aggressive power that had invaded other countries in the region?
Iran should not seek to obtain nuclear weapons to feel afe from a much larger aggressive power that had invaded other countries in the region?
What would have happened at the Cuban blockade if nobody had blinked? Should NATO have placed troops to intervene in a civil war of a not treaty country on the border of a biligirent unpredictable country talking up it's military strength?
Is Iran really planning to attack the USA and Israel or is it a requirement of dictatorships and countries with poor economic management and a dissatisfied population to find someone to blame?
Good negotiation requires er negotiation, which is compromise? What compromise would be acceptable to you? How would you make Iran fear you more?
The tent that the bomb fell on killed Gadaffi's *******. That is an application of fear. Libiya's funding of terrorism didn't fall after that, he just learned how to keep his mouth shut.
Would the USA win a war against Iran? It didn't win in Iraq or Afghanistan. Would it win against Russia? Do you think we should find out?
....You just can't make this stuff up, folks. Lately our local TV stations have been running ads about every hour on the primary channels (ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX) regarding the Iranian Nuclear Treaty, and the fact that it is a bad deal, and that we need to be calling our congressman to express our displeasure over the treaty.
....That said, some of the most adamant haters of this treaty have decided to take it to the streets, themselves .... read on, and if you have "little ones at home", I hope you are sitting down when you read this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-talk-of-nuclear-weapons-and-suicide-bombers/
This just goes to show, once again, that some of these politicians will stoop to any level to make their point and get their "agenda" out there. What has our political system come to? We deserve better!
..... (tap to their cranium) .... "HELLO, is anybody HOME?" HELLO?
....That said, some of the most adamant haters of this treaty have decided to take it to the streets, themselves .... read on, and if you have "little ones at home", I hope you are sitting down when you read this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-talk-of-nuclear-weapons-and-suicide-bombers/
This just goes to show, once again, that some of these politicians will stoop to any level to make their point and get their "agenda" out there. What has our political system come to? We deserve better!
..... (tap to their cranium) .... "HELLO, is anybody HOME?" HELLO?
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Mara, Bashar is a ruthless dictator, and his days are numbered. That place started falling apart ever since the Deraa incident. Surely you don't sympathize with him with what's currently going on there. The man's killing his own people for Christ sake.
Syria, which is a relatively new country anyway, could cease to exist if it keeps going the way it is.
Syria, which is a relatively new country anyway, could cease to exist if it keeps going the way it is.
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Putin's very popular too I hear. So were Hitler, Stalin, Ide Armin and Mao. Islamic State seems rather popular too.
People believe what they're told or are more afraid of "the other guy".
Go figure.
Putin's very popular too I hear. So were Hitler, Stalin, Ide Armin and Mao. Islamic State seems rather popular too.
People believe what they're told or are more afraid of "the other guy".
Go figure.
I'm sorry, easyuk, I simply don't understand your response. Are you saying the reports coming out of Syria are exaggerated or even false? What are you saying?
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