RETITLED - LUBE DISCUSSION, TIPS, AND HEALTH FACTS(COMMUNITY HELP)

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Changing this post to help the community. I'm so new and young I learned a lot from posting and seeing the push back. I had an experience with an ex who could not use lube, so we tried coconut oil and she has never told me it caused her any problems so maybe it's a woman specific thing. So my only suggestion is Coconut oil may be an alternative to anyone who cannot use lubes. I see some people saying they use it some people saying dont. GREAT THREAD
 
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I will go ahead and caution any women that coconut oil, while antimicrobial, is NOT pH balanced, nor is it hypo-osmotic. It can throw off your microbiome, making you much more susceptible to infection. It's also still a food product and it does rot, particularly in a warm, wet and dark environment.

Some women can stick whatever up there without issue but most women aren't so lucky.

I'm a huge fan of coconut oil - I cook with it, shave with it, use it as a hair mask, massage oil but it's not a good lube substitute.
 
I will go ahead and caution any women that coconut oil, while antimicrobial, is NOT pH balanced, nor is it hypo-osmotic. It can throw off your microbiome, making you much more susceptible to infection. It's also still a food product and it does rot, particularly in a warm, wet and dark environment.

Some women can stick whatever up there without issue but most women aren't so lucky.

I'm a huge fan of coconut oil - I cook with it, shave with it, use it as a hair mask, massage oil but it's not a good lube substitute.
I agree with you on this one. Amazing for all of the above buuut probably not lube😋
 
I will go ahead and caution any women that coconut oil, while antimicrobial, is NOT pH balanced, nor is it hypo-osmotic. It can throw off your microbiome, making you much more susceptible to infection. It's also still a food product and it does rot, particularly in a warm, wet and dark environment.

Some women can stick whatever up there without issue but most women aren't so lucky.

I'm a huge fan of coconut oil - I cook with it, shave with it, use it as a hair mask, massage oil but it's not a good lube substitute.

Thank you!! I cringed very hard at the suggestion to use coconut oil as lube.
 
I will go ahead and caution any women that coconut oil, while antimicrobial, is NOT pH balanced, nor is it hypo-osmotic. It can throw off your microbiome, making you much more susceptible to infection. It's also still a food product and it does rot, particularly in a warm, wet and dark environment.

Some women can stick whatever up there without issue but most women aren't so lucky.

I'm a huge fan of coconut oil - I cook with it, shave with it, use it as a hair mask, massage oil but it's not a good lube substitute.
I agree with you, definitely not a good lube substitute, :)
 
Agreed , love oiling a nice ass up with it. though been told my own seed is like coconut oil, ladies can come milk it from the source lol ;) nothing beats the real 'Coco-nut' oil you feel me.
 
Personally I'm a big fan of Coconut oil as lube. Been using it for years without adverse effects.

Here's a link to an article about Coconut oil as lube.

Highlights:
“Coconut oil increases your risk for a vaginal infection” — UNSUPPORTED
Coconut oil is anti-bacterial” — NOPE
“Coconut oil is antifungal” — POSSIBLY
“Coconut oil can change your vaginal flora” — UNTESTED
“Don’t use coconut oil with latex condoms” — TRUE!



Cut and paste full article:

Sex Science: Is Coconut Oil Good in Bed?


One of the simplest ways to enhance your sex life is to find — and always keep handy — a lubricant you love. However, not all personal lubricants were created equally, and each one comes with benefits and downsides.


Coconut oil has bedside status for countless women and is a staple ingredient in many natural lubricants (including our Intimacy Natural Arousal Oil). But if you’ve been trying to figure out if it’s right for you by reading articles and reviews, you’re likely confused...


Everyone can agree that coconut oil lube feels blissful, but some people describe it as a perfectly pH-balanced cure-all for your vagina, while others claim it’s a recipe for disaster. And nobody can reference actual data to back their claims.


Whom should you trust? To be honest, neither camp has it quite right.


In this article, you’ll find out what we actually know about using coconut oil in the bedroom — and unlike those other articles, we’ve got links directly to the published scientific research.


Read on to learn the facts to help you decide if coconut oil should be your new favorite lubricant. (Spoiler alert: We think you’re going to love it!)


Your Vagina: A Delicate Balance of Bacteria
If you already know how natural bacteria keep vaginas acidic and healthy, feel free to skip this section.
Behind every healthy vagina is a healthy community of hard-working bacteria: vaginal flora. Understanding this simplifies how we decide what should — and should not — be put in our bodies.
Similar to gut bacteria, the microbes in our vaginas can keep us healthy or make us sick. That’s why people take probiotics — in the hopes of populating their digestive tracts with the “good guys.” And for most of us, our vaginas’ V.I.P. bacteria are Lactobacilli — which you’re probably familiar with if you eat yogurt or take probiotics.
These little workers convert natural starches (glycogen) in our vaginas into lactic acid, which keeps the pH low (acidic) and prevents malicious microbes from gaining a foothold in the community. Women without strong populations of Lactobacillus suffer more frequently from bacterial vaginosis (sometimes known as “BV”).
Anything that affects your flora could disrupt your vagina’s natural balance: antibiotics, chemical preservatives, your own shifting hormones, unfamiliar bacteria on shared adult toys or on a new partner’s skin.
That’s why some women get vaginal infections after taking antibiotics, getting intimate with a new partner, or re-enacting the ice cream scene from Fifty Shades of Grey. (By the way...Don’t put sugar in your vagina!)

The claims about coconut oil as lube


The internet is overflowing with claims about what happens when you put coconut oil on your private parts.


To help sort through the nonsense, here’s a list of some of the most common things people say about using coconut oil for sex, with a deep dive into what the science actually says.


Here’s what we found:


“Coconut oil increases your risk for a vaginal infection” — UNSUPPORTED

There’s nothing wrong with cautionary speculation: Some people warn that coconut oil could lead to an infection by changing your vagina’s flora.


We’ll talk about that possibility later — along with how it’s equally plausible that coconut oil could help your vagina ward off infections.


Either way, nobody knows because it hasn’t actually been tested yet.


However, we’ve seen websites — quoting gynecologists — claiming that oil absolutely increases your chance of a vaginal infection...up to 8 times more!


But anyone who regularly enjoys coconut oil in the bedroom knows that is untrue and absurd! So we hunted down the original research paper and here's a quick summary of what we found:


Researchers interviewed and tested 141 women for two different types of vaginal infections: Bacterial vaginosis (BV) and candidiasis (yeast infection). Only 11 women reported putting oil in their vaginas, with an emphasis on “baby oil” — a perfumed petroleum product. Of these 11 oil-using women, 5 also tested positive for candidiasis. Nowhere in this paper were natural plant-based oils mentioned.


The researchers themselves state that too few women were tested to draw any real conclusions about oil and yeast infections.


The real culprit might not be “oil” as much as “synthetics.” Perfumed products (including fragrant laundry detergents) are a frequent culprit behind unhappy vaginas.


So anyone who actually reads this paper will quickly see it has zero relevance to the coconut-oil-as-lube debate.


One thing we can say with confidence is that oral sex increases your susceptibility to yeast infections. If you’ve gotten a yeast infection after using coconut oil in the past, perhaps it was because it made you taste so darn good?


Lubricants that have been linked to infections:







Coconut oil is anti-bacterial” — NOPE

This is another topic that both sides get wrong. People often summon the antibacterial properties of lauric acid (a component in coconut oil) to claim that coconut oil will either ******* off good bacteria or fight against bad bacteria. Here’s the logical progression that sounds right, but is missing a key point:



The missing key point has to do with what we already discussed about oil virginity. To rephrase: If you’re using a higher quality virgin oil, all those antibacterial fatty acids will be safely bound up in triglycerides where they won’t be harming any bacteria.


That’s why published studies on this topic generally report the same thing: Although lauric acid by itself inhibits bacteria, virgin coconut oil is completely harmless to a broad variety of bacteria.



“Coconut oil is antifungal” — POSSIBLY

First off, just to be clear: Antibacterial and antifungal are very different things. For instance, if you have BV (bacterial vaginosis), your doctor will prescribe an antibiotic, whereas if you have a yeast infection, you’ll need to use an antifungal. Different things.


Not only is lauric acid antifungal, but research suggests that virgin coconut oil could also be antifungal. If that proves true, then either yeast is more susceptible than bacteria to the low concentrations of free lauric acid in virgin coconut oil, or other components of coconut oil are also antifungal.


More anecdotal evidence backing this claim is the large number of women who testify that coconut oil cures their yeast infections. Although we don’t advise this remedy (there are probably more effective options), it is a widespread natural alternative.


“Coconut oil can change your vaginal flora” — UNTESTED

Although fresh, virgin coconut oil probably won’t ******* off the bacteria in your vagina, we can’t say for sure whether or not it will feed other microbes. Coconut oil stays fresh for months at room temperature, and bacteria or molds that eat it are uncommon and grow very, very slowly. That said, each of us has a unique vaginal flora, and you may have drawn the short straw.


Just as you and I differ in our ability to digest foods (because we have different gut microbes), our vaginas are different in their ability to handle what we put in them. Nobody can say for sure what coconut oil will do to your flora — it hasn’t been tested, and you will have a highly individual experience.


However, every lubricant (including saliva!) could potentially affect your microbes. Bacterial communities keep vaginas healthy, and just like finding the best diet for your unique gut bacteria, you’ll want to sample around before choosing the best lube for your vag. That said, coconut oil’s widespread use as a natural remedy for yeast infections is proof that coconut oil could help sway the flora in a good direction — even if it might also move some women’s in the wrong direction.


“Don’t use coconut oil with latex condoms” — TRUE!

One last important point: You shouldn’t use coconut oil with latex condoms, but that’s not coconut oil’s fault. It has to do with the chemical properties of oil in general — whether that’s a natural plant-based or synthetic petroleum-based oil.


How bad is it? Scientists tested this question in the lab by soaking condoms in different lubricants and then inflating them while counting how long it takes for them to burst. Without lubrication, condoms last about a minute. What destroys condoms? Baby oil was the worst of the bunch, popping the condom after only 11 seconds. But other mineral oils and vegetable oils also weakened the condoms.


Scientists also tested this question in the bedroom by instructing hundreds of couples to have sex a dozen times using different combinations of condoms and lubes. This experiment found that oil-based lubricants increase breakage - although it was not statistically significant. Overall, the evidence is pretty strong that oil and latex don’t mix.


But for those of us who aren’t chained to condoms, coconut oil could be the perfect all-natural and preservative-free sex lube.


A few research-based condom tips:



When to skip the coconut oil


Latex condoms:
Yes we just said this, but seriously, latex condoms and oil DO NOT MIX. If you’re choosing between the two, condoms take priority over coconut oil. And when using condoms, beware that oil on your vulva or even in the opposite hole might compromise the protection. Silicone-based lubricants are a great option if you dislike the stickiness of water-based lubes.


Plastic sex toys: Not all toys are oil-compatible. Pure silicone toys (even the wiggly ones) should be all right, but keep oil away from mystery plastic toys. In fact, you should probably keep mystery plastics out of your body. But if you absolutely crave skin-soft toys, they’re safest when paired with a condom and water-based lube. In general, the softer the plastic, the quicker that oil will destroy it.


Coconut allergy: This is probably intuitive, but if you have an allergic reaction when eating coconuts, you should skip trying out coconut oil as lube. Another highly recommended natural lubricant is olive oil - try that instead!


Coconut Oil as a Lube: Tips for First-Timers
  • Before bringing it to the bedroom, first test coconut oil on the sensitive skin of your inner forearm. Two days later, try a little in — and around — your vagina. If all goes well, it’s time to have some fun!
  • Use only unexpired, high-quality coconut oil as a lubricant. If it’s discolored or tastes sour, it’s time to get a new jar.
  • Keep coconut oil fresh and contamination-free by using small containers. Don’t get it wet and avoid finger-dipping.
  • You might want to lay out a towel to protect your sheets from oil spots. But if you end up with oil on your bedding or underwear, don’t worry - it’ll come off in the washing machine with hot water and detergent. You can also pre-treat with baking soda to soak up the oil before washing.
 
Personally I'm a big fan of Coconut oil as lube. Been using it for years without adverse effects.

Here's a link to an article about Coconut oil as lube.

Highlights:
“Coconut oil increases your risk for a vaginal infection” — UNSUPPORTED
Coconut oil is anti-bacterial” — NOPE
“Coconut oil is antifungal” — POSSIBLY
“Coconut oil can change your vaginal flora” — UNTESTED
“Don’t use coconut oil with latex condoms” — TRUE!



Cut and paste full article:

Sex Science: Is Coconut Oil Good in Bed?


One of the simplest ways to enhance your sex life is to find — and always keep handy — a lubricant you love. However, not all personal lubricants were created equally, and each one comes with benefits and downsides.


Coconut oil has bedside status for countless women and is a staple ingredient in many natural lubricants (including our Intimacy Natural Arousal Oil). But if you’ve been trying to figure out if it’s right for you by reading articles and reviews, you’re likely confused...


Everyone can agree that coconut oil lube feels blissful, but some people describe it as a perfectly pH-balanced cure-all for your vagina, while others claim it’s a recipe for disaster. And nobody can reference actual data to back their claims.


Whom should you trust? To be honest, neither camp has it quite right.


In this article, you’ll find out what we actually know about using coconut oil in the bedroom — and unlike those other articles, we’ve got links directly to the published scientific research.


Read on to learn the facts to help you decide if coconut oil should be your new favorite lubricant. (Spoiler alert: We think you’re going to love it!)


Your Vagina: A Delicate Balance of Bacteria
If you already know how natural bacteria keep vaginas acidic and healthy, feel free to skip this section.
Behind every healthy vagina is a healthy community of hard-working bacteria: vaginal flora. Understanding this simplifies how we decide what should — and should not — be put in our bodies.
Similar to gut bacteria, the microbes in our vaginas can keep us healthy or make us sick. That’s why people take probiotics — in the hopes of populating their digestive tracts with the “good guys.” And for most of us, our vaginas’ V.I.P. bacteria are Lactobacilli — which you’re probably familiar with if you eat yogurt or take probiotics.
These little workers convert natural starches (glycogen) in our vaginas into lactic acid, which keeps the pH low (acidic) and prevents malicious microbes from gaining a foothold in the community. Women without strong populations of Lactobacillus suffer more frequently from bacterial vaginosis (sometimes known as “BV”).
Anything that affects your flora could disrupt your vagina’s natural balance: antibiotics, chemical preservatives, your own shifting hormones, unfamiliar bacteria on shared adult toys or on a new partner’s skin.
That’s why some women get vaginal infections after taking antibiotics, getting intimate with a new partner, or re-enacting the ice cream scene from Fifty Shades of Grey. (By the way...Don’t put sugar in your vagina!)

The claims about coconut oil as lube


The internet is overflowing with claims about what happens when you put coconut oil on your private parts.


To help sort through the nonsense, here’s a list of some of the most common things people say about using coconut oil for sex, with a deep dive into what the science actually says.


Here’s what we found:


“Coconut oil increases your risk for a vaginal infection” — UNSUPPORTED

There’s nothing wrong with cautionary speculation: Some people warn that coconut oil could lead to an infection by changing your vagina’s flora.


We’ll talk about that possibility later — along with how it’s equally plausible that coconut oil could help your vagina ward off infections.


Either way, nobody knows because it hasn’t actually been tested yet.


However, we’ve seen websites — quoting gynecologists — claiming that oil absolutely increases your chance of a vaginal infection...up to 8 times more!


But anyone who regularly enjoys coconut oil in the bedroom knows that is untrue and absurd! So we hunted down the original research paper and here's a quick summary of what we found:


Researchers interviewed and tested 141 women for two different types of vaginal infections: Bacterial vaginosis (BV) and candidiasis (yeast infection). Only 11 women reported putting oil in their vaginas, with an emphasis on “baby oil” — a perfumed petroleum product. Of these 11 oil-using women, 5 also tested positive for candidiasis. Nowhere in this paper were natural plant-based oils mentioned.


The researchers themselves state that too few women were tested to draw any real conclusions about oil and yeast infections.


The real culprit might not be “oil” as much as “synthetics.” Perfumed products (including fragrant laundry detergents) are a frequent culprit behind unhappy vaginas.


So anyone who actually reads this paper will quickly see it has zero relevance to the coconut-oil-as-lube debate.


One thing we can say with confidence is that oral sex increases your susceptibility to yeast infections. If you’ve gotten a yeast infection after using coconut oil in the past, perhaps it was because it made you taste so darn good?


Lubricants that have been linked to infections:







Coconut oil is anti-bacterial” — NOPE

This is another topic that both sides get wrong. People often summon the antibacterial properties of lauric acid (a component in coconut oil) to claim that coconut oil will either ******* off good bacteria or fight against bad bacteria. Here’s the logical progression that sounds right, but is missing a key point:



The missing key point has to do with what we already discussed about oil virginity. To rephrase: If you’re using a higher quality virgin oil, all those antibacterial fatty acids will be safely bound up in triglycerides where they won’t be harming any bacteria.


That’s why published studies on this topic generally report the same thing: Although lauric acid by itself inhibits bacteria, virgin coconut oil is completely harmless to a broad variety of bacteria.



“Coconut oil is antifungal” — POSSIBLY

First off, just to be clear: Antibacterial and antifungal are very different things. For instance, if you have BV (bacterial vaginosis), your doctor will prescribe an antibiotic, whereas if you have a yeast infection, you’ll need to use an antifungal. Different things.


Not only is lauric acid antifungal, but research suggests that virgin coconut oil could also be antifungal. If that proves true, then either yeast is more susceptible than bacteria to the low concentrations of free lauric acid in virgin coconut oil, or other components of coconut oil are also antifungal.


More anecdotal evidence backing this claim is the large number of women who testify that coconut oil cures their yeast infections. Although we don’t advise this remedy (there are probably more effective options), it is a widespread natural alternative.


“Coconut oil can change your vaginal flora” — UNTESTED

Although fresh, virgin coconut oil probably won’t ******* off the bacteria in your vagina, we can’t say for sure whether or not it will feed other microbes. Coconut oil stays fresh for months at room temperature, and bacteria or molds that eat it are uncommon and grow very, very slowly. That said, each of us has a unique vaginal flora, and you may have drawn the short straw.


Just as you and I differ in our ability to digest foods (because we have different gut microbes), our vaginas are different in their ability to handle what we put in them. Nobody can say for sure what coconut oil will do to your flora — it hasn’t been tested, and you will have a highly individual experience.


However, every lubricant (including saliva!) could potentially affect your microbes. Bacterial communities keep vaginas healthy, and just like finding the best diet for your unique gut bacteria, you’ll want to sample around before choosing the best lube for your vag. That said, coconut oil’s widespread use as a natural remedy for yeast infections is proof that coconut oil could help sway the flora in a good direction — even if it might also move some women’s in the wrong direction.


“Don’t use coconut oil with latex condoms” — TRUE!

One last important point: You shouldn’t use coconut oil with latex condoms, but that’s not coconut oil’s fault. It has to do with the chemical properties of oil in general — whether that’s a natural plant-based or synthetic petroleum-based oil.


How bad is it? Scientists tested this question in the lab by soaking condoms in different lubricants and then inflating them while counting how long it takes for them to burst. Without lubrication, condoms last about a minute. What destroys condoms? Baby oil was the worst of the bunch, popping the condom after only 11 seconds. But other mineral oils and vegetable oils also weakened the condoms.


Scientists also tested this question in the bedroom by instructing hundreds of couples to have sex a dozen times using different combinations of condoms and lubes. This experiment found that oil-based lubricants increase breakage - although it was not statistically significant. Overall, the evidence is pretty strong that oil and latex don’t mix.


But for those of us who aren’t chained to condoms, coconut oil could be the perfect all-natural and preservative-free sex lube.


A few research-based condom tips:



When to skip the coconut oil


Latex condoms:
Yes we just said this, but seriously, latex condoms and oil DO NOT MIX. If you’re choosing between the two, condoms take priority over coconut oil. And when using condoms, beware that oil on your vulva or even in the opposite hole might compromise the protection. Silicone-based lubricants are a great option if you dislike the stickiness of water-based lubes.


Plastic sex toys: Not all toys are oil-compatible. Pure silicone toys (even the wiggly ones) should be all right, but keep oil away from mystery plastic toys. In fact, you should probably keep mystery plastics out of your body. But if you absolutely crave skin-soft toys, they’re safest when paired with a condom and water-based lube. In general, the softer the plastic, the quicker that oil will destroy it.


Coconut allergy: This is probably intuitive, but if you have an allergic reaction when eating coconuts, you should skip trying out coconut oil as lube. Another highly recommended natural lubricant is olive oil - try that instead!


Coconut Oil as a Lube: Tips for First-Timers
  • Before bringing it to the bedroom, first test coconut oil on the sensitive skin of your inner forearm. Two days later, try a little in — and around — your vagina. If all goes well, it’s time to have some fun!
  • Use only unexpired, high-quality coconut oil as a lubricant. If it’s discolored or tastes sour, it’s time to get a new jar.
  • Keep coconut oil fresh and contamination-free by using small containers. Don’t get it wet and avoid finger-dipping.
  • You might want to lay out a towel to protect your sheets from oil spots. But if you end up with oil on your bedding or underwear, don’t worry - it’ll come off in the washing machine with hot water and detergent. You can also pre-treat with baking soda to soak up the oil before washing.
While coconut oil as a lube has not been extensively tested, that's true, the vaginal microbiome has been studied and anything with a high pH is known to cause issues. It doesn't matter if we're talking about coconut oil or manufactured lube - alkaline products are bad for the vagina, full stop.

A healthy vagina has a pH of around 3.8-4.5 - acidic. It's the acidity that maintains balance and wards off infection, once that acidity is compromised it becomes a breeding ground for bacteria. The pH of coconut oil depends on how refined it is but coconut itself is alkaline, which is not good for the vagina. I've tested oil at home with a pH of up to 8.

Coconut oil has a long shelf life, sure, but at the end of the day it is still a food product and like all food products, it expires. Introducing it into a warm, dark and moist environment only accelerates that and I think we can agree having rotting food in the vagina is a negative.

Your mileage will vary as every woman and every vagina is different - some women can go ass to pussy with no issue but that doesn't mean it's advisable.

The top things you want in a lube are a properly balance pH, iso-osmotic (or at least hypo-osmotic if conceiving isn't a goal) and free of irritating ingredients like glycerine.
 
While coconut oil as a lube has not been extensively tested, that's true, the vaginal microbiome has been studied and anything with a high pH is known to cause issues. It doesn't matter if we're talking about coconut oil or manufactured lube - alkaline products are bad for the vagina, full stop.

A healthy vagina has a pH of around 3.8-4.5 - acidic. It's the acidity that maintains balance and wards off infection, once that acidity is compromised it becomes a breeding ground for bacteria. The pH of coconut oil depends on how refined it is but coconut itself is alkaline, which is not good for the vagina. I've tested oil at home with a pH of up to 8.

Coconut oil has a long shelf life, sure, but at the end of the day it is still a food product and like all food products, it expires. Introducing it into a warm, dark and moist environment only accelerates that and I think we can agree having rotting food in the vagina is a negative.

Your mileage will vary as every woman and every vagina is different - some women can go ass to pussy with no issue but that doesn't mean it's advisable.

The top things you want in a lube are a properly balance pH, iso-osmotic (or at least hypo-osmotic if conceiving isn't a goal) and free of irritating ingredients like glycerine.
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It sure is great for Jerking off my little pee pee while I get to watch her and her BIG BLACK lover go on and on and on and on until I am dismissed.
 
We found it goes seedy or slightly grainy during long play sessions, not sure if it's just the oil itself breaking down or if when mixed with pussy juice and precum but either way we stopped using it as lube, it is awesome as a safe to lick massage oil though
 
Why not just use lube? Thats what its made for. That oil going to fuck up your wap ladies. (Wet ass pussy)
Even most lubes are shitty, I've done an exhaustive amount of research and have only found 3 brands that don't do damage on some level.

It blows me away that intimate products are not regulated.
 
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