multiculturalism europe

I am responding to Daphne's post #323, but did not want to hit reply and have her entire post listed here as well.

I think, in America, times have changed quite a bit from the colonial or even later times you speak of. We now have terrorists. We now have nuclear weapons that can make entire regions uninhabitable for thousands of years, at the least, or they can be used as dirty bombs and ******* a lot of people that way. We have people determined to ******* us in a way they never could before.
Economically, no matter what the news media or government say, we have a serious unemployment/underemployment problem and I do not buy the line that the illegals only take jobs Americans won't do. A hungry person will do almost any kind of work. I would bet that most of those coming across the border illegally are under/uneducated and will contribute little to society, except as beasts of burden. I don't see many PhD's crossing the border illegally. We know there are gang members (MS-13 and others) mixed in from other central American countries that are violent and pushing all kinds of criminal activities. These are all draining on a society. Then you have the anchor babies where mama just comes across the border to give birth in brownsville so the baby is a citizen and then claims to collect food stamps and all sorts of welfare and never pays the hospital bill on top of that, so we, the taxpayers end up paying for the birth to the tune of at least tens of thousands of dollars per birth.
We NEED secure borders with fences, human assets, and technological assets.
The immigration laws need to be completely re-written. Why should these government slow pokes keep a man without his legal wife for 18 months, when these illegals can just pour across our border?
The illegals all need to be shipped back so they can go through the new process properly. And if they fail to get approved, tough tamales.
Finally, there needs to be a proper system of tracking people here on Visas. The day their visa expires, we need an agent on their doorstep, making sure they go back where they came from. Remember, most of the 9/11 attackers had over stayed on Student Visas.
 
They need to stop letting Arabs in, and take in millions of folks from Africa. Not to be a dick, but Arabs did their own problems to themselves. So fuck them. The world works in unison to fuck over Africa. Yes, black dudes are soooo hot, and IMO Arab dudes are really ugly... But Arab chicks...important those bitches for BBC to smash up in the guts. ;)
 
Sounds like a description of the British Empire's foreign imperialistic dealings in India, China, South Africa, America, and everywhere else the sun didn't set where the British flag was being flown for over 100 years. One should be careful to only view the world through one set of European or British centrist lens that they become blind to their own nationalistic faults as well. But if one is of feeling a superiority complex toward another group of people probably doesn't matter to them anyway.
No point in punishing people who weren't even alive when the British Empire existed for things that the elites of the British Empire committed. At the end of the day it all comes down to the same thing. Elites trampling on the rights of the average person, regardless of their skin colour. If the people of Britain or South Africa or Japan or China or wherever want immigration to be limited. Then it should be limited, simple as.
 
We have lower birthrates because we live in highly developed nations. The better taken care of the population (big middle class, socio economic mobility etc) the less children people are inclined to produce. We just take better care of them.

Abortion rates are no where near producing empirical data explaining the drop in reproduction. These type of arguments are ideological just like the cultural marxism you speak of.

It's exactly like yo said, muslims generally use a disproportional amount of welfare. They have many *******, no jobs, bad health compared to native europeans. The Europeans in term have less *******, invest in them more and work multiple jobs etc. Especially higher educated couples have less *******. The IQ drain is something to worry about. But you know eugenics has a bad name :)

Strangely inter european migration is (from balkan countries, Poland etc) is also viewed negative by right-wing politicians while they generally contribute more then the native population.

EDIT: good to note tho is that it keeps wages low and they mostly transfer what they earned back to poland etc. Do not buy a house etc. On the other hand they mostly do jobs that if they would have not not been able to do them it would have been outsourced.

many of the polish in the uk are leaving and going to more established towns or moving back to poland because the polish economy is the fastest growing in europe, if the polish leave the uk then whom is going to clean the toilets and whom is going to build the houses in the uk?
 
many of the polish in the uk are leaving and going to more established towns or moving back to poland because the polish economy is the fastest growing in europe, if the polish leave the uk then whom is going to clean the toilets and whom is going to build the houses in the uk?
It's simple; they move on to the Bulgarians.

The thing is; Soros et al (multi billionaires, corporations etc) spend a lot of money lobbying for free movement within EU and they finance pro migration campaigns and lobbying. Because it drives down the prices they pay per hour. And they buy up land/property that they can sell/rent to (local) govs to house all the new migrants (while locals are on a waiting list). speculating on increase of demand is easy when you have enough power to manipulate masses. (Who does not want to get on the EU money bandwagon?)

Once people had enough of this corporatism and they close the borders etc prices simply go up - hourly wages will go up because of the different living standards. Right now the minimum wage jobs money flows back to Poland, not back to UK. No houses are being bought.
 
It's simple; they move on to the Bulgarians.

The thing is; Soros et al (multi billionaires, corporations etc) spend a lot of money lobbying for free movement within EU and they finance pro migration campaigns and lobbying. Because it drives down the prices they pay per hour. And they buy up land/property that they can sell/rent to (local) govs to house all the new migrants (while locals are on a waiting list). speculating on increase of demand is easy when you have enough power to manipulate masses. (Who does not want to get on the EU money bandwagon?)

Once people had enough of this corporatism and they close the borders etc prices simply go up - hourly wages will go up because of the different living standards. Right now the minimum wage jobs money flows back to Poland, not back to UK. No houses are being bought.

then what after the bulgarians? most bulgarians want to stay in italy or spain and not the northern eu countries.
yes soros is behind this and he also lobbys hard and against russia as well, he controls and funds many NGO's even the chinese understand what soros is doing by manipulating currencies, whom he just an agent for the rothchilds anyway.
 
then what after the bulgarians? most bulgarians want to stay in italy or spain and not the northern eu countries.
yes soros is behind this and he also lobbys hard and against russia as well, he controls and funds many NGO's even the chinese understand what soros is doing by manipulating currencies, whom he just an agent for the rothchilds anyway.
Italy and Spain don't have jobs. They are economic migrants who DO want to work, like the Polish.

But like I said, at some point, whether it's because the low paid workers dry up naturally(no more balkan/eastern europeans willing to work) or because the borders close and right wing populists are in power, low wage jobs will be emancipated and automated. Hopefully. Or we'll have doctors doing the toilets atsome point...
 
I went to Europe last year. Immigration is a big big deal there.
Crime rates are increasing, cities are becoming not safe...
They need to expel all immigrants (legal or not legal), first off Muslims
And I also think they need death penalty for some horrible crimes immigrant do
 
There is no such thing as multiculturalism in europe.The whole idea has been a failure, the same as the european union will ultimately become.
Wherever you look in cities across europe new influx of different ethnic backgrounds inevitably fail to intergrate, wanting their own areas to live in, their own local customs and laws to prevail over laws and customs of the host countries and to continue activities that are at odds with the society they have moved to.
Europe is being ripped apart over the current mass influx and rampant uncontrolled immigration of people who know or care little for the countries they are pouring into, only what they can get from them.They fail to see that their constant 'demands' for this or that, moaning that the free food and accomodation is not good enough, free health care is not quick enough etc etc is only causing resentment towards themselves.
The seeming lack of control over their own actions, with the excuse - well in our culture women are worthless so its ok to just ******* them,for example, is appalling. Now they are surprised at the rise in right wing parties across europe and brandish the racist card left and right without once looking at trying to improve their own societies.The facts are all there to see, rising crime levels, sexual assaults, the import of repressive religious practices.
If they do not want to become a functioning, contributing member of the society they have moved to, why come? Their cultures and practices amongst other things have turned where they come from into hideous places to live, why bring that with them?An opportunity to better their lives and others is there for them but is so seldom taken.
The future looks bleak for europe and it would not surprise me if a violent race/religious struggle was to break out in the near future.One hopes not, but the straw can only bend so far before it snaps.
 
There is no such thing as multiculturalism in europe.The whole idea has been a failure, the same as the european union will ultimately become.
Wherever you look in cities across europe new influx of different ethnic backgrounds inevitably fail to intergrate, wanting their own areas to live in, their own local customs and laws to prevail over laws and customs of the host countries and to continue activities that are at odds with the society they have moved to.
Europe is being ripped apart over the current mass influx and rampant uncontrolled immigration of people who know or care little for the countries they are pouring into, only what they can get from them.They fail to see that their constant 'demands' for this or that, moaning that the free food and accomodation is not good enough, free health care is not quick enough etc etc is only causing resentment towards themselves.
The seeming lack of control over their own actions, with the excuse - well in our culture women are worthless so its ok to just ******* them,for example, is appalling. Now they are surprised at the rise in right wing parties across europe and brandish the racist card left and right without once looking at trying to improve their own societies.The facts are all there to see, rising crime levels, sexual assaults, the import of repressive religious practices.
If they do not want to become a functioning, contributing member of the society they have moved to, why come? Their cultures and practices amongst other things have turned where they come from into hideous places to live, why bring that with them?An opportunity to better their lives and others is there for them but is so seldom taken.
The future looks bleak for europe and it would not surprise me if a violent race/religious struggle was to break out in the near future.One hopes not, but the straw can only bend so far before it snaps.
Multiculturalism is code for mono cultures opposing the majority culture.
 
Hun that's good but here in England were an island and we are becoming full if you follow what's going on here I think people of England will vote to leave the eu
If we vote leave and Brexit will let in more Africans to UK if so I will vote leave. This question is more important to me.
 
yes 2 years ago a Kenyan went really bad. I will try Nigerian next time. Or maybe if she just black.

If we vote leave and Brexit will let in more Africans to UK if so I will vote leave. This question is more important to me.

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America’s borders, porous from the start
Our immigration debate ignores a key fact: the nation’s perimeter has never been secure.

DAY%20IN%20LIFE%20BORDER-322196.jpg

AP Photo/Damian Dovarganes

A marker embedded in the pavement marks the imaginary line between the United States and Mexico at the San Ysidro border crossing between San Diego, Calif., and Tijuana, Mexico.

By Peter Andreas Globe Correspondent March 03, 2013
As the immigration reform debate in Washington heats up once again, a constant refrain is the necessity of “securing the border.” Many policy makers insist that we cannot deal with immigration until we come to grips with our porous borders, especially the 2,000-mile-long line dividing the United States and Mexico, which has for decades been the most important gateway for unauthorized entry. Implicitly, that porousness is treated as abnormal and unusual—and fixable. It’s easy to assume our borders were once a genuine barrier, and could be again.

History suggests otherwise. For better and for worse, America’s borders have always been highly porous, and to imagine a secure line around the country is to be falsely nostalgic for a past that never existed. The unauthorized movement of people is an American tradition, one that goes all the way back to the country’s founding and which originally fueled its settlement. Millions of people—not just of Latin American origin but also those whose ancestry is European, Slavic, Jewish, and Chinese—have forebears who broke some law in the process of settling in this country and becoming Americans.

Porous borders made the United States. To look at the country today is to see a nation that grew up and developed because of—not despite—leaky borders. And that suggests that the question today is not how to “seal our borders”—a fantasy that is neither viable nor desirable—but rather how to better manage them and cope with the inevitable consequences of unauthorized entry and settlement.

***

I n the colonial era, border control in North America had a largely different focus: Authorities worried about the cross-border movement of goods more than people. Strict imperial trade laws meant that economic relations with the Colonies’ southern neighbors were to a significant extent founded on various sorts of smuggling. For instance, the rum distilleries in Colonial New England (which produced the region’s most important export) were kept in business by the large-scale smuggling of molasses from the French West Indies in violation of British trade rules.

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Essdras M Suarez/ Boston Globe

A border sign off Caswell Street in Derby Line, VT.

The first effort to impose border controls on the flow of people was actually aimed at the American Colonists themselves, as they relentlessly tried to push westward—and the restrictions came straight down from the top. With the British Proclamation of 1763, King George III imposed a frontier line separating the Colonies (which Colonists were allowed to move among freely) from the Indian territories west of the Appalachian Mountains. The king prohibited Colonists from moving across the line to settle, and deployed thousands of troops to try to enforce the law. The British feared loss of control over their subjects and also wished to avoid conflicts between Colonists and Indians.

In response, the Colonists simply ignored the proclamation, and thousands moved into what became Kentucky and Tennessee, seeking land and a better life. To them, the frontier controls were just another attempt by the British crown to tell Americans what they could or couldn’t do. Tensions between the Colonists and British authorities over freedom of movement intensified all the way up to the outbreak of the American Revolution.

After Independence, that tension persisted over a different kind of unauthorized migration: Thousands of ambitious British artisans smuggled themselves out of Britain in violation of their country’s strict exit controls. They were eagerly welcomed in the United States, and helped jump-start the American industrial revolution.

APTOPIX%20Mexico%20US%20Border.JPEG-05e1c.jpg

AP Photo/Dario Lopez-Mills

People at a beach next to the border fence separating Mexico from the US in Tijuana, Mexico.

The young country’s freedom from Britain opened up enormous new opportunities for illegal westward movement. In the 1780s, Congress passed ordinances enabling the national government to survey and sell off territory beyond the original states; the idea was to raise revenue, deter squatters, and promote orderly westward migration and settlement. But a flood of unlawful settlers undermined these plans. The laws became increasingly harsh as the problem persisted and grew. The Intrusion Act of 1807 criminalized illegal settlement and authorized fines and imprisonment for lawbreakers. But these measures were largely ineffective. In fact, some of the trespassers were ultimately rewarded for their pains: The territory that is now Vermont and Maine was settled by illegal squatters who refused to buy the land from the legally recognized owners and violently resisted government eviction efforts. Eventually, those territories won statehood.

That pattern repeated itself for decades: illegal settlement, intense (and sometimes violent) resistance to central government authority, and finally official resignation to the reality that illegal movement had created. The westward migration included European immigrants who entered the country legally but then settled illegally (in some ways not so different from the “visa overstayers”

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AP Photo/Toby Talbot

Miguel Begin, the chief of operations for the Canada Border Services Agency's Stanstead sector, stood at the Canadian port of entry in Stanstead, Quebec.

who today represent as much as half of the country’s unauthorized immigrant population). Failing to deter and remove illegal settlers, Congress passed “preemption” acts, first in 1830 and again in 1841. These were essentially pardons for illegal settlement, providing legitimate land deeds at discounted prices. The law, in other words, adjusted to the facts on the ground.

Not until the 1880s did the federal government get into the business of controlling immigration in a serious and sustained way—triggered by worries about too many Chinese arrivals. Until then, immigration was largely left to the states to sort out. Starting in the 1850s, tens of thousands of Chinese laborers had been welcomed to the American West as a source of cheap labor, in particular to help build the railroads—but not given any means to become citizens. When the demand for Chinese labor dried up, an anti-Chinese backlash quickly followed. As political pressure to respond to the “yellow peril” intensified, Congress first passed the Page Act of 1875, followed by the far more sweeping Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, which barred the entry of Chinese laborers (mostly through seaports such as San Francisco).

With this front door largely closed, Chinese immigrants turned to entry though a back door: Canada. Canadian officials knew full well that most of the arrivals from China were just passing through. As one Canadian official bluntly told an American journalist in 1891, “They come here to enter your country, you can’t stop it, and we don’t care.”

Kevin_Haskew-5812617.jpg

Bill Porter/Globe staff

Kevin Haskew, a field engineer with the International Boundary Commission, dug out a boundary marker in the town of Hodgdon, Maine.

Eventually, American pressure on the Canadians to deny entry to Chinese prompted the people-smuggling business to shift south—to Mexico and the Southwest border. The US-Mexico border already had a long history as a gateway for smuggling goods, in both directions; now, it became a gateway for smuggling people as well. Foreshadowing future developments, a January 1904 editorial in the El Paso Herald-Post warned, “If this Chinese immigration to Mexico continues, it will be necessary to run a barb wire fence along our side of the Rio Grande.”

Chinese immigrants were not the only “undesirables” coming in through Mexico. By the last decades of the 19th century, federal law also prohibited the admission of paupers, criminals, prostitutes, “lunatics,” “idiots,” and contract workers. Lebanese people, Greeks, Italians, Slavs from the Balkans, and Jews were especially targeted with these restrictions. When turned away at official ports of entry, they found the illegal Mexican crossing to be a convenient alternative. Worries over these immigrants became so acute that when the US Border Patrol was created, in 1924, its priority target wasn’t Mexicans but
Europeans.

Along with them came a growing influx of unauthorized Mexican workers. But these immigrants were largely tolerated, with employers in the Southwest informally recruiting large numbers of Mexicans to work in agriculture. Formal, legal entry was complicated, but crossing the border illegally was relatively simple and largely ignored. Strict controls against Mexicans crossing the border were widely perceived as neither viable nor desirable. As a substitute for European and Asian workers, Mexicans were considered an ideal labor *******: flexible, compliant, and temporary—a vital source of labor for agriculture and other sectors of the economy.

***

Fast forward to today’s immigration debate, one deeply afflicted by historical amnesia. When politicians call for us to “regain control” of the border, they evoke the false notion that the border was ever “under control” in the first place. This amnesia also means we ignore what happened to those who were once America’s most dreaded “undesirables”: Many of those Chinese laborers and Europeans stayed on and reared families whose descendents are unremarkably American today. Meanwhile, the Mexican workers who were once tolerated and encouraged as a source of cheap labor have in recent decades prompted the greatest border enforcement crackdown in the country’s history.

mexico.jpg

HECTOR MATA/AFP/Getty Images

A sign on a freeway warned drivers of people crossing in Chula Vista, California.

Does our long history of porous borders mean we should simply throw up our hands and give up on the whole idea of border control? Of course not. All nations have the sovereign right to regulate who and what crosses their borders. There are legitimate border security concerns, ranging from the cross-border flow of weapons to the potential entry of terrorists. But our border expectations need to be tempered. Rarely is the border the real source of domestic problems or the most effective place for the solution. This is nowhere more evident than in the case of labor, where the conditions in the source countries, job opportunities in America, and lax workplace regulations are far more important factors.

Our nation’s borders can certainly be more effectively managed and regulated, including long overdue investments in improving and modernizing the infrastructure at our ports of entry. These improvements would not only help to discourage unauthorized crossings but also facilitate the mass volume of legal crossings that are part of the lifeblood of our economy. But by any historical standard, our borders today are far more heavily policed, closely monitored, and difficult to cross than ever. As with the “preemption acts” of the 19th century, our immigration laws need to adjust to the realities on the ground, in which millions of people have illegally settled in the country and are hardly likely to simply pick up and leave. To expect otherwise is to ignore a
centuries-old American tradition.

Peter Andreas is a professor of political science and interim director of the Watson Institute for International Studies at Brown University. This essay is adapted from his new book, “Smuggler Nation: How Illicit Trade Made America.”
America’s borders, porous from the start
Our immigration debate ignores a key fact: the nation’s perimeter has never been secure.

DAY%20IN%20LIFE%20BORDER-322196.jpg

AP Photo/Damian Dovarganes

A marker embedded in the pavement marks the imaginary line between the United States and Mexico at the San Ysidro border crossing between San Diego, Calif., and Tijuana, Mexico.

By Peter Andreas Globe Correspondent March 03, 2013
As the immigration reform debate in Washington heats up once again, a constant refrain is the necessity of “securing the border.” Many policy makers insist that we cannot deal with immigration until we come to grips with our porous borders, especially the 2,000-mile-long line dividing the United States and Mexico, which has for decades been the most important gateway for unauthorized entry. Implicitly, that porousness is treated as abnormal and unusual—and fixable. It’s easy to assume our borders were once a genuine barrier, and could be again.

History suggests otherwise. For better and for worse, America’s borders have always been highly porous, and to imagine a secure line around the country is to be falsely nostalgic for a past that never existed. The unauthorized movement of people is an American tradition, one that goes all the way back to the country’s founding and which originally fueled its settlement. Millions of people—not just of Latin American origin but also those whose ancestry is European, Slavic, Jewish, and Chinese—have forebears who broke some law in the process of settling in this country and becoming Americans.

Porous borders made the United States. To look at the country today is to see a nation that grew up and developed because of—not despite—leaky borders. And that suggests that the question today is not how to “seal our borders”—a fantasy that is neither viable nor desirable—but rather how to better manage them and cope with the inevitable consequences of unauthorized entry and settlement.

***

I n the colonial era, border control in North America had a largely different focus: Authorities worried about the cross-border movement of goods more than people. Strict imperial trade laws meant that economic relations with the Colonies’ southern neighbors were to a significant extent founded on various sorts of smuggling. For instance, the rum distilleries in Colonial New England (which produced the region’s most important export) were kept in business by the large-scale smuggling of molasses from the French West Indies in violation of British trade rules.

11272009_27borderpicone-7433007.jpg

Essdras M Suarez/ Boston Globe

A border sign off Caswell Street in Derby Line, VT.

The first effort to impose border controls on the flow of people was actually aimed at the American Colonists themselves, as they relentlessly tried to push westward—and the restrictions came straight down from the top. With the British Proclamation of 1763, King George III imposed a frontier line separating the Colonies (which Colonists were allowed to move among freely) from the Indian territories west of the Appalachian Mountains. The king prohibited Colonists from moving across the line to settle, and deployed thousands of troops to try to enforce the law. The British feared loss of control over their subjects and also wished to avoid conflicts between Colonists and Indians.

In response, the Colonists simply ignored the proclamation, and thousands moved into what became Kentucky and Tennessee, seeking land and a better life. To them, the frontier controls were just another attempt by the British crown to tell Americans what they could or couldn’t do. Tensions between the Colonists and British authorities over freedom of movement intensified all the way up to the outbreak of the American Revolution.

After Independence, that tension persisted over a different kind of unauthorized migration: Thousands of ambitious British artisans smuggled themselves out of Britain in violation of their country’s strict exit controls. They were eagerly welcomed in the United States, and helped jump-start the American industrial revolution.

APTOPIX%20Mexico%20US%20Border.JPEG-05e1c.jpg

AP Photo/Dario Lopez-Mills

People at a beach next to the border fence separating Mexico from the US in Tijuana, Mexico.

The young country’s freedom from Britain opened up enormous new opportunities for illegal westward movement. In the 1780s, Congress passed ordinances enabling the national government to survey and sell off territory beyond the original states; the idea was to raise revenue, deter squatters, and promote orderly westward migration and settlement. But a flood of unlawful settlers undermined these plans. The laws became increasingly harsh as the problem persisted and grew. The Intrusion Act of 1807 criminalized illegal settlement and authorized fines and imprisonment for lawbreakers. But these measures were largely ineffective. In fact, some of the trespassers were ultimately rewarded for their pains: The territory that is now Vermont and Maine was settled by illegal squatters who refused to buy the land from the legally recognized owners and violently resisted government eviction efforts. Eventually, those territories won statehood.

That pattern repeated itself for decades: illegal settlement, intense (and sometimes violent) resistance to central government authority, and finally official resignation to the reality that illegal movement had created. The westward migration included European immigrants who entered the country legally but then settled illegally (in some ways not so different from the “visa overstayers”

a2de652a88114c24960db48d91d755fe-461b0d1c37a3de22220f6a706700ae2b.jpg

AP Photo/Toby Talbot

Miguel Begin, the chief of operations for the Canada Border Services Agency's Stanstead sector, stood at the Canadian port of entry in Stanstead, Quebec.

who today represent as much as half of the country’s unauthorized immigrant population). Failing to deter and remove illegal settlers, Congress passed “preemption” acts, first in 1830 and again in 1841. These were essentially pardons for illegal settlement, providing legitimate land deeds at discounted prices. The law, in other words, adjusted to the facts on the ground.

Not until the 1880s did the federal government get into the business of controlling immigration in a serious and sustained way—triggered by worries about too many Chinese arrivals. Until then, immigration was largely left to the states to sort out. Starting in the 1850s, tens of thousands of Chinese laborers had been welcomed to the American West as a source of cheap labor, in particular to help build the railroads—but not given any means to become citizens. When the demand for Chinese labor dried up, an anti-Chinese backlash quickly followed. As political pressure to respond to the “yellow peril” intensified, Congress first passed the Page Act of 1875, followed by the far more sweeping Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, which barred the entry of Chinese laborers (mostly through seaports such as San Francisco).

With this front door largely closed, Chinese immigrants turned to entry though a back door: Canada. Canadian officials knew full well that most of the arrivals from China were just passing through. As one Canadian official bluntly told an American journalist in 1891, “They come here to enter your country, you can’t stop it, and we don’t care.”

Kevin_Haskew-5812617.jpg

Bill Porter/Globe staff

Kevin Haskew, a field engineer with the International Boundary Commission, dug out a boundary marker in the town of Hodgdon, Maine.

Eventually, American pressure on the Canadians to deny entry to Chinese prompted the people-smuggling business to shift south—to Mexico and the Southwest border. The US-Mexico border already had a long history as a gateway for smuggling goods, in both directions; now, it became a gateway for smuggling people as well. Foreshadowing future developments, a January 1904 editorial in the El Paso Herald-Post warned, “If this Chinese immigration to Mexico continues, it will be necessary to run a barb wire fence along our side of the Rio Grande.”

Chinese immigrants were not the only “undesirables” coming in through Mexico. By the last decades of the 19th century, federal law also prohibited the admission of paupers, criminals, prostitutes, “lunatics,” “idiots,” and contract workers. Lebanese people, Greeks, Italians, Slavs from the Balkans, and Jews were especially targeted with these restrictions. When turned away at official ports of entry, they found the illegal Mexican crossing to be a convenient alternative. Worries over these immigrants became so acute that when the US Border Patrol was created, in 1924, its priority target wasn’t Mexicans but
Europeans.

Along with them came a growing influx of unauthorized Mexican workers. But these immigrants were largely tolerated, with employers in the Southwest informally recruiting large numbers of Mexicans to work in agriculture. Formal, legal entry was complicated, but crossing the border illegally was relatively simple and largely ignored. Strict controls against Mexicans crossing the border were widely perceived as neither viable nor desirable. As a substitute for European and Asian workers, Mexicans were considered an ideal labor *******: flexible, compliant, and temporary—a vital source of labor for agriculture and other sectors of the economy.

***

Fast forward to today’s immigration debate, one deeply afflicted by historical amnesia. When politicians call for us to “regain control” of the border, they evoke the false notion that the border was ever “under control” in the first place. This amnesia also means we ignore what happened to those who were once America’s most dreaded “undesirables”: Many of those Chinese laborers and Europeans stayed on and reared families whose descendents are unremarkably American today. Meanwhile, the Mexican workers who were once tolerated and encouraged as a source of cheap labor have in recent decades prompted the greatest border enforcement crackdown in the country’s history.

mexico.jpg

HECTOR MATA/AFP/Getty Images

A sign on a freeway warned drivers of people crossing in Chula Vista, California.

Does our long history of porous borders mean we should simply throw up our hands and give up on the whole idea of border control? Of course not. All nations have the sovereign right to regulate who and what crosses their borders. There are legitimate border security concerns, ranging from the cross-border flow of weapons to the potential entry of terrorists. But our border expectations need to be tempered. Rarely is the border the real source of domestic problems or the most effective place for the solution. This is nowhere more evident than in the case of labor, where the conditions in the source countries, job opportunities in America, and lax workplace regulations are far more important factors.

Our nation’s borders can certainly be more effectively managed and regulated, including long overdue investments in improving and modernizing the infrastructure at our ports of entry. These improvements would not only help to discourage unauthorized crossings but also facilitate the mass volume of legal crossings that are part of the lifeblood of our economy. But by any historical standard, our borders today are far more heavily policed, closely monitored, and difficult to cross than ever. As with the “preemption acts” of the 19th century, our immigration laws need to adjust to the realities on the ground, in which millions of people have illegally settled in the country and are hardly likely to simply pick up and leave. To expect otherwise is to ignore a
centuries-old American tradition.

Peter Andreas is a professor of political science and interim director of the Watson Institute for International Studies at Brown University. This essay is adapted from his new book, “Smuggler Nation: How Illicit Trade Made America.”


Not mentioned that the US very actively sought to control illegal immigration from the 1920's through the Eisenhower administration, and did so with a degree of effectiveness. E-Verify and biometric IDs now give us better tools to control illegal immigration in the workplace, but unfortunately workplace enforcement has all but been over ridden by the Obama administration's executive orders on immigration.
 
bs the kid did not have juvenile record, had just graduated from hs and was due to enter trade school the next monday. that does not sound like a fuck up to me. darren wilson was a known asshole to folks who live there. you better believe if mike brown had a juvenile record, some asshole would have leaked it.
those indian store owners gave him the wrong quality cigar for the money he paid,but the Indians are scared of white folks and will cake out in a flash. if mike brown folks were hoodrats the rednecks would have plastered crap everywhere.

Indian store owners gave him the wrong type of cigar so Michael Brown just shoved the store owner /no juvenile record because some asshole would have leaked it by now...

You have some strong powers of rationalization at work here, almost reaches the point of fantasy.

What you don't seem to get is that by making a violent punk like Michael Brown into a BLM martyr, you actually belittle the legitimacy of the Black Lives Matter movement.
 
Indian store owners gave him the wrong type of cigar so Michael Brown just shoved the store owner /no juvenile record because some asshole would have leaked it by now...

You have some strong powers of rationalization at work here, almost reaches the point of fantasy.

What you don't seem to get is that by making a violent punk like Michael Brown into a BLM martyr, you actually belittle the legitimacy of the Black Lives Matter movement.



uh my mom in law lives 50 yds from Ferguson border I have been there at least 100 times very quiet area really. Darren Wilson was fired with a bunch of other rednecks in Jennings mo for acting like racist assholes .they shut down the whole dept to clean house I lived in st louis county for 4 years I know more about those racist mom fuckers that live in st louis than you do .Darren Wilson is a lying mom fucker just like his felon ass momma

https://www.justice.gov/sites/defau...5/03/04/ferguson_police_department_report.pdf

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...c796f0-2a45-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html
 
Not to mention the fact that had there been any conclusive evidence that Officer Wilson acted improperly that then Attorney General Eric Holder would have had the Justice Department file suit.
I read and try to understand all this US stuff in UK media. I am amazed that your not at war, maybe you are. I thank god UK isn't like this, we aren't perfect but not nearly as bad as this. Best of luck.
 
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