How to celebrate MLK day
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Read about the civil rights movement. Read about Abe Lincoln. Read about the white people who joined with people if all creeds and colors that participated in this struggle.
Last year I read a book aboutLBJ and how he set up the Civil Rights Acts of the 60's.
Do you even know how much the Jewish community was involved in the struggle? When you see a jewish woman, dont look at her sexually, but as a sister that was there for you when the chips were against you.
Last year I read a book aboutLBJ and how he set up the Civil Rights Acts of the 60's.
Do you even know how much the Jewish community was involved in the struggle? When you see a jewish woman, dont look at her sexually, but as a sister that was there for you when the chips were against you.
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Well, if the man has to work, he has to work, Not everybody gets every holiday off.
Ha, you gotta be kidding me! I'm not asking for any sympathy, syscom ... I work because I choose to work. My employer provides me an option to take that Monday off with pay, if I so choose, but I don't. But, there's probably no one in this forum that stands up for minority rights any more than me. My wife and I stood for 2 hours in a line to vote, in 2014, because one party chose to tinker with the voting rights. Did you even VOTE in the 2014 elections?
Possibly you should take Monday off and go see the movie Selma ... see the price a lot of people paid for the rights of the underprivileged ... then look at the 2014 voting results that showed that the US had the lowest voter turn-out in over 72 years in this country. Even Mitt Romney has decided to run for the POTUS again after 2 ass kickings because he sees voter suppression giving him a chance in 2016.
How many times have you written your congressman or local paper expressing your views regarding "rights" ... I wrote my congressman 3 times last year, wrote 2 editorials and 6 comments to our local paper's editorial pages.
What have you done? So, before you start chastising me, you should ask yourself what you really have done to honor MLK other than complain about one's decision to work or not on MLK day.
Mac
Read this ...
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...-debate-reignites-heading-mlk-holiday-n287171
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Celebrate by taking out a few minutes from whatever you are doing at work or recreation
and reflect on those that fought and risk their lives so that we can share and explore
and live are lives together and not separately. Appreciate the fact that many stood up
and fought for us to have the right to openly and freely express our desire, and longing for
each other regardless of race or color. God Bless America
and reflect on those that fought and risk their lives so that we can share and explore
and live are lives together and not separately. Appreciate the fact that many stood up
and fought for us to have the right to openly and freely express our desire, and longing for
each other regardless of race or color. God Bless America
If anyone goes to see Selma; keep in mind that the director lied about the relationship between MLK and LBJ.
As an historian, these types if movies should be close to the truth.
And since it deliberately distorts the truth, too me, its nothing better than fiction.
As an historian, these types if movies should be close to the truth.
And since it deliberately distorts the truth, too me, its nothing better than fiction.
That's being pretty critical of a movie that was meant to deliver a larger message. Regardless of your opinion of LBJ or MLK, you'll have to admit LBJ was the greatest pro-civil rights President in history. Also, I can't recall any movies where the producer/director didn't add some unnecessary emphasis on parts of their movie to make it more appealing to viewers. You might wonder why the movie was made to begin with ... the recent regression of the Voter's Rights. Our country is trying to take a huge step backwards simply because one particular party doesn't appeal to the minority votes. I haven't seen the movie, but plan to when it comes out on rental.
So, what distortions are you referring to, syscom? What do you think LBJ/MLK's relationship was? I understand that there was mention of Ferguson in the title song, but I saw a discussion of the movie with members of King family, and they spoke good of the movie. Mac
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Actually, I believe it was John F Kennedy that set the Civil Rights Act into action, as it was in Congress getting addressed when Kennedy was assassinated. A lot was dumped onto LBJ when Kennedy was assassinated, if you recall that time period of history. Desegregation and the integrations of 'Ole Miss' and Uni. of Ala, Gov George Wallace, the protest marches (Bull Connor & Birmingham, Ala), Freedom Rides, EEO, and the Vietnam War starting up. My ******* was in HS when the first black students showed up in his classes.
The last 2 elections (2012 & 2014) have proven that discrimination is alive and well in this great country of ours, and is one reason why I've been so pissed off about politics lately. Mac
Hubby doesn't have a choice...he has to work. Now me on the other hand....what should I get into today??
How about learning something new about history.
I prefer not to have my political discussions on a porn site but thank you..
Contraire' my dear friend ... Suggest you read this, syscom ... its short & sweet and even provides pictures for you:
http://www.nps.gov/subjects/civilrights/1964-civil-rights-act.htm
I suggest you read up on LBJ and what really happened. Kennedy was good on lip service but clueless on how to get things done in the senate.
Thats where Johnson shined. He knew the parliamentary tactics to bypass the committee chairman. And he got the bill signed. If Kennedy hadnt been killed, the 1964 bill would have been still born.
Thats where Johnson shined. He knew the parliamentary tactics to bypass the committee chairman. And he got the bill signed. If Kennedy hadnt been killed, the 1964 bill would have been still born.
I prefer not to have my political discussions on a porn site but thank you..
Well first off I wholeheartedly agree with @kcwife4bbc which is why I try to stay clear of these posts and discussions as everyone is very opinionated on their politcal, religious beliefs and the discourse often doesn't lead us anywhere in helping with mending the black/white relationships and bringing people any closer together.
Second I liked @King of the Swirl's post and agree with his statements. However in regards to thread topic just for this one day I will negate my rule of avoiding political discussions on a porn site and jump into the fray.
@syscom3, you and I have chatted and you know we respect one another and I have no qualms personally with you so don't take this as any direct offense or counter-argumentative position to you personally. But I'm about to go raging-Bull and all-in on this topic now.
First off i have not seen the movie Selma although I do plan on going to the movies to see it and not getting it through 'black-buster' at the local black barber shop like some of black cousins are doing but I digress. Basically I can not speak on the movie per-se but I can and will speak on Dr. Martin Luther King (Dr. MLK) civil rights legacy, the event of Selma, and President Lyndon B. Johnson (LBJ).
I have heard some discussions on black radio programming about the comments people have made on the film Selma and what many people especially with Texans who have felt about a misrepresentation of LBJ in the film up to the point they have called for a boy-cot to the film. To be fair, other people who happen to be black have also criticized the film about some of the relationships that Dr. MLK had with some of the other organizers such as Ralph Abernathy that were portrayed in the film. Al ot of biopic or historical films will receive criticism for their accuracy however I do take issue with what I am hearing about LBJ being portrayed unfairly.
Speaking from a historical factually based position, Dr. MLK was at the heart of the Selma event and the movie should rightly portray him and the others involved with LBJ only being a back-drop. Here is an excerpt from wikipedia that summarizes Selma:
"The three Selma to Montgomery marches in 1965 were part of the Selma Voting Rights Movement and led to the passage that year of the Voting Rights Act, a landmark federal achievement of the 1960s American Civil Rights Movement. Activists publicized the three protest marches to walk the 54-mile highway from Selma to the Alabama state capital of Montgomery as showing the desire of black American citizens to exercise their constitutional right to vote, in defiance of segregationist repression.
A voters registration campaign in Selma had been launched in 1963 by local African Americans, who formed the Dallas County Voters League (DCVL). Joined by organizers from the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), they began working that year in a renewed effort to register black voters. Most of the millions of African Americans across the South had effectively been disenfranchised since the turn of the century by a series of discriminatory requirements and practices. Finding resistance by white officials to be intractable, even after passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ending segregation, the DCVL invited Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. and the activists of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference to join them. SCLC brought many prominent civil rights and civic leaders to Selma in January 1965. Local and regional protests began, with 3,000 persons arrested by the end of February." [1]
* Pic of Alabama State troopers attack civil-rights demonstrators outside Selma, Alabama, on Bloody Sunday, March 7, 1965
On LBJ, It is historical fact, and relayed by LBJ's own personal biographer that in "Discussing civil rights legislation with men like Mississippi Democrat James Eastland, who committed most of his life to defending white supremacy, he’d simply call it “the ngger bill.” [1]
Lyndon Johnson remarking on civil rights in 1957:
“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again.” [3]
And concerning LBJ’s civil rights record:
Lyndon Johnson, who represented the [former] Confederate state of Texas and had been installed in his position by Southern Democrats precisely in order to block civil rights legislation. Until the 1950s, Johnson’s record of opposition to all civil rights legislation was spotless. But he was ambitious and wanted to be president. . . .
After dragging his feet on the civil rights bill throughout much of 1957, Johnson finally came to the conclusion that the tide had turned in favor of civil rights and he needed to be on the right side of the issue if he hoped to become president. . . . [3]
And concerning LBJ's racist qoutes:
"I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years." -- Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air ******* One according Ronald Kessler's Book, "Inside The White House" [4]
So in summary, although many people want to paint a rosy romantic picture of LBJ and how he was some great-white-hope savior for blacks this is not the balanced view of reality. While he does deserve some credit historically with fighting against the Klu-Klux-Klan and weakening them, helping to pass civil rights legislation to make this nation better, he does not deserve the same stage as Dr. MLK nor Abraham Lincoln and especially in the film Selma which was about the people who organized and actually participated in the event.
LBJ was a racist which no historian will deny, and that side of him needs to be accurately portrayed and remembered as well. He did not carry out the actions for the pure sake of his un-biased mind and heart or simply for benefit of American people whom he thought were being treated unfairly for the hue of their skin. He did it more so for political expediency and as a calculation in his rise to power to obtain a seat in the highest office of this land.
I have alot more I wanted to write and say about this topic but I have to go so its left here for now. But any-way, food for the mind-to-dine on.
Oh and happy Dr. MLK day everyone. Please do remember what him, and many others as @syscom3 has pointed out with Whites, and jews who also sacrificed their lives so everyone could be treated as the US constitution laments "all men are created equal...to pursue life, liberty, and justice for all."
~BBB76
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_to_Montgomery_marches
[2] http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-johnson-civil-rights-racism
[3] http://theblacksphere.net/2013/07/civil-wrongs-lyndon-b-johnson/
[4] http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2484587/posts
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Well, I didn't view this thread as a political thread, but simply a discussion of MLK day with a recollection of facts. I recall my dad and uncle talking about segregation & integration when I was very young. My dad (who is a retiring Southern Methodist minister) still refers to the black race as "colored people", and I always smile with the way he says it. But, I've never heard him speak badly of anyone. There are those who are so disconnected with our own recent history that it often amazes me. I did a research paper in college on Jim Crow, who was a white man only in caricature; he never really existed. But what is interesting are the number of people, especially black people, who don't know that. They just assume Jim Crow was a political, white figure that had a lot of hatred for the black race. There's no reason why a forum can't be educational, as well as entertaining, and the correct information passed on to the next generation.
If my history is correct, LBJ was focused more on his "War On Poverty" promises, and MLK wanted a broader perspective of Civil Rights that also included voter's rights discriminations. It is true that LBJ held a lot of political clout in Washington and Texas, but my understanding is that Congress passed the Civil Rights Act more out of courtesy to JFK. Mac
If my history is correct, LBJ was focused more on his "War On Poverty" promises, and MLK wanted a broader perspective of Civil Rights that also included voter's rights discriminations. It is true that LBJ held a lot of political clout in Washington and Texas, but my understanding is that Congress passed the Civil Rights Act more out of courtesy to JFK. Mac
The director was Oprah, and you won't get the truth from her. Not a real black person
