Are cucks really just gay men in an elaborate "closet"?

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I pose this question as a white husband and ******* happily married for 20 years who has secretly had a cuckold fantasy in one form or another since my late teens. I'd like to state my case using the hypothetical example of a boy born gay (not to add unnecessary controversy, but I believe we are born with our sexual orientations predetermined) who quickly learns that society has strong expectations about maleness: you have to play the boy games, don't be a sissy, yada yada yada. As that boy reaches puberty, he sees his peers begin to lust after girls, and although he may not feel as strongly inclined, the expectations are clear, and so he does his best to do the same. He may not even realize he's gay -- in many cases, imho, these things are repressed under tremendous social pressure. Ultimately, he has success and finds a steady girlfriend and eventually marries her.

He enjoys sex with his wife, but secretly, maybe even subconsciously, he is unfulfilled. He loves his wife and wants to please her, but somehow he doesn't feel quite right about it. Somewhere deep in his psyche, wrapped in guilt and shame, lurks a gay bottom, a man who wants to be sexually dominated by another man. What kind of man? A powerful, masculine man who can make him feel submissive, even feminine in comparison.

Enter the bull and the cuckold lifestyle. Our hypothetical husband secretly lusts after the bull and wants to submit to him sexually, but he's repressed all of that. As a cuck he can live vicariously through his wife. He walks a complex line of gay vs not gay. He'd love to suck off the bull and swallow his seed, but that might cross the line, for him (and quite likely for the bull), so he does the next best thing and swallows that seed from his wife. He'd love to be pinned down and fucked hard by the bull, but again that's across the line, so he watches his wife take it hard, fast, and balls deep, secretly longing for it himself. Our cuck gets fiercely aroused by all of this because he's experiencing all of the things he secretly wants, but in an indirect way that allows him to retain a heterosexual identity and even remain faithful to his wife.

I'll close by saying there's nothing wrong with this even if it's 100% accurate. Being gay is fine, being straight is fine, and being anywhere in the middle is fine. Being a cuckold is fine too. What do others think? Does this make sense to you?
 
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I think it's more likely you guys are bisexual than gay. Your fantasies almost always involve a woman in one way or another
For sure, women are essential to the scenario, but I'm suggesting the linkage is more complex than simple bisexuality. You'll hear cucks often talk about seeing a "real man" with their wives/girlfriends. What do we mean when we say something like that? I'm postulating we mean a proper/ideal male in terms of his masculinity, his healthy lust for women, his virility. By implication, the cuck doesn't feel like a "real man," he feels weaker, more impotent, and wants to submit. The more the bull asserts himself in a proper manly way, the more the cuck respects and desires him. And nothing demonstrates being a "real man" more than sexually pleasing women. And nothing is more profoundly dominant in an alpha male sense than "taking" a lesser man's woman. It all fits together.
 
My guess is that, for me at least, its more of an extension from femdom than being gay, letting your significant other sleep with others is submitting to her, even more so if theres direct humiliation involved. Its all about her for me.
I agree that femdom is in the mix, but I suspect it is a consequence more than a driver. Suppose she wanted to be with other submissive men because she enjoyed dominating them too. She would still be asserting her authority, but does that feel as sexy, or would you just be annoyed and jealous?

I think cuckolding is exciting precisely because she submits to the other man, even lets him do things to her she would never let you do, creating a hierarchy where he is dominant, she is in the middle, and you are at the bottom. I see it as yet another instance where the cuck is able to deny being gay because the woman serves as the insulation between him and the dominant man he secretly desires.
 
I agree that femdom is in the mix, but I suspect it is a consequence more than a driver. Suppose she wanted to be with other submissive men because she enjoyed dominating them too. She would still be asserting her authority, but does that feel as sexy, or would you just be annoyed and jealous?

I think cuckolding is exciting precisely because she submits to the other man, even lets him do things to her she would never let you do, creating a hierarchy where he is dominant, she is in the middle, and you are at the bottom. I see it as yet another instance where the cuck is able to deny being gay because the woman serves as the insulation between him and the dominant man he secretly desires.
I think this describes my evolution perfectly. After I sucked my first bbc through a gloryhole I knew I was a bottom faggot but was ashamed and now I embrace it
 
There is no broad brush to define people. Each person is Unique. From my perspective, this type of fetish is personality driven.

I lurk on this site. I am an attractive white man decently hung and have a wife, a kid and many sexual exploits to my credit with sexy women. I can relate to the having some form a cuckold/gay fantasy since my late teens as well.

When I say personality driven, speaking for myself... I am a binge personality. I don’t go out drinking often, but when I do, I close the bar; so naturally when I am feeling sexual desires for cock, it needs to be a huge gigantic black one Lol. Just how they made me I guess. Does that make me gay? eh, dont find men attractive but big cocks turn me on. I enjoy anal play. I enjoy plowing pissy. Am I bi? Do I fantasize about being cucked? Sure sometimes, sometimes I wish to do the cucking instead /shrug.

The type of personality one has largely drives one’s sexual proclivities.

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Most couples I meet the guys are not gay but if the wife or girl says suck another man's cock they do it. Doesn't make them gay. Most men want the woman sexually satisfied since they can't do it. Every guy is different. Some watch, some watch and stroke and some clean the girl and sometimes me. If they want more such as verbal humiliation I am happy to give it. I don't think these men are in a closet or necessarily gay. At the end of our play session I always thank the cuck and shake his hand for giving me his girl.

I will also add they ask for to be friends and that means I don't share pics nor do I post them. If the guy tells me something in confidence or she does it stays with me. These people have family and jobs that need to be protected. Some times they give me too much info and I caution them to be careful with their personal info. I almost lost a very good job because a couple got pissed and posted face and dick pics. I never share nor ask them to share until they trust me and I trust them.
 
I can't speak for all cucks, but 90% I know or chat to often are bi. As a middle aged male, i've only had relationships with women, am very attracted to women, and constantly want to to put my cock in a pussy, but for shear ******* desire and lust, you put me on my knees in front of a big hard cock, black or white and i'll take that first before pussy everytime. I've never been attracted to a male like a gay male does, but my 40 year constant desire to suck cock has never waned to this day. As far as a wife 'forsing' her cuck to suck cock, I don't believe that at all, but sucking one in front of your wife gives you this inner freedom showing her the real you, and her being part of it, takes away the shame you may carry if you are/ were a closeted cocksucker.
 
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Cucks who fantasize about their wife's black lovers are more like panty boys than they are gay boys... closet swishers who fantasize about sucking dick and getting fucked hard and deep... wanting to experiencing how his woman feels when being fucked by a real man, and how a real man sounds when he cums and how it feels when he cums inside you.
 
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Cucks who fantasize about their wife's black lovers are more like panty boys than they are gay boys... closet swishers who fantasize about sucking dick and getting fucked hard and deep... wanting to experiencing how his woman feels when being fucked by a real man, and how a real man sounds when he cums and how it feels when he cums inside you.
I think your description is spot on, but to me, these are exactly the same things a gay bottom would fantasize about. The cuck isn't just aroused by what the woman is enjoying -- he is envious of her.
 
I disagree, really depends on the person and the level and sub level of the excitement that it provides. Example. Some guys like watching gay porn but they don't have any desire to have sex with another man! It maybe it just the sexual actions the turns them on. Another example guys the like strapons. He like the feeling that he gets from his wife or girlfriend banging him from behind, but has no desire from getting it done by a man! See my point? Everybody sexual excitement is different some are simple others are more complicated!
 
You'll hear cucks often talk about seeing a "real man" with their wives/girlfriends. What do we mean when we say something like that? I'm postulating we mean a proper/ideal male in terms of his masculinity, his healthy lust for women, his virility. By implication, the cuck doesn't feel like a "real man," he feels weaker, more impotent, and wants to submit. The more the bull asserts himself in a proper manly way, the more the cuck respects and desires him.
I think this is the part where you hit the nail on the head
such an amazing way to say the things I have been feeling
sometimes these emotions are hard to describe
but this is a perfect way of putting it

the more I watch, the more intense my feelings of submission become

but here is another aspect not many people talk about
my wife monica says that making me watch her having sex with her BBC lover makes her orgasms WAY more intense
just having me watch
and knowing that I am sitting there thinking how much more powerful the BBC can fuck her
how much more masculine HE is
 
Cucks who fantasize about their wife's black lovers are more like panty boys than they are gay boys... closet swishers who fantasize about sucking dick and getting fucked hard and deep... wanting to experiencing how his woman feels when being fucked by a real man, and how a real man sounds when he cums and how it feels when he cums inside you.
This is the way I feel. Calling myself a sissy faggot, wanting to be filled with his cum, my orgasm coming from him pounding me rather than me jerking. It’s humiliation coming from the knowledge I’ll never be able to satisfy my wife like a real man and want to be used by a real man
 
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