Angelyn discusses ATM vs PTM (ass to mouth vs pussy to mouth) with other girls.

Angelyn

Female
First off, I must say that I am not actually a lesbian. I have never felt like loving another woman.

But I am a woman, and I believe it is natural for women to feel comfortable with other women. I very naturally accept sex with other women. I believe that it is male patriarchy that tries to make women sexually dependent on men. Human women, like most female primates, can naturally engage in recreational sexual activity with other women without actually becoming female-exclusive.

I have said before several times in my threads and posts that I am crazy about ATM, even though I have to be compelled to do it. I really can’t bring myself to do ATM just like that. I don’t think you can pay me $1000 or whatever is the going rate, to suck something out of my ass and tell a camera that I love my ass juices. I’m not enough of an actress to say that with sincerity.

Methinks I would end up sounding like Kelly Wells, a total idiot with IQ approximating room temperature. And sounding as stupid as Kelly Wells, is for me even more humiliating that eating ‘ass juice’ from an uncleaned butt.

But if the environment is right and the partner is right, I will very willingly do ATOGM as well. It’s really hot and humiliating. For part of my life, I actually had a female partner who also loved watching depraved movies like Cumfart Cocktails with me. Both of us would turn red together at the climax scenes, where typically the man cums in one girl’s butt, the other girl eats out the semen, and then trades kisses with her friend.

I have noticed that if we are both red, our kisses tend to be very hot. Literally. I suspect it is because both of us are seeing dramatically increased ******* flow to our faces, so we feel hotter when touching or kissing each other’s faces.

As disappointing as it may be to the guys, I must say that the taste of sperm doesn’t really play much role here. ATOGM followed by cumswaps isn’t great because of the wonderful taste of men’s cum. ATOGM is great because I am sharing a very nasty secret and very transgressional intimacy with another woman. ATOGM is basically the adult version of the times in my youth when I shoplifted or sabotaged a car with other girls. It’s that kind of thrill.

In contrast to ATM, I truly love PTM.

I can really say into a camera that ‘I love the taste of my own juices’.

PTM is one of the nasty things that is actually enjoyable to do. After all, these are my personal juices, my most secret secretions.

I really, and naturally, enjoy PTM. I love the reactions of the men, and I love the self-affirming feeling I get when I clean my own juices off someone’s cock or sex toy.

Pussy to Mouth is like sucking my own thumb. It’s very comforting. It’s self-indulgent. I will do PTM very spontaneously.

As a sign that I don’t find it humiliating – my face doesn’t turn red when doing PTM.

What about PTOGM?

That depends.

In most cases I would enjoy it too. It’s an insight into my female partner’s most secret and personal life.

BUT if I don’t like the other girl, I would not want to do PTOGM on her. It would feel nasty, humiliating, disgusting. I would have to be told in order to perform PTOGM, and you would see my face flushing for sure.

Sometimes at a group sex event there are women I don’t like but have to pretend that I’m getting along well with. A lot of times these are women whose brains I don’t understand. (EG people with weird religious beliefs.) I feel alienated from such women and don’t really want intimate knowledge of them, because I imagine that I would be left with no brains after accepting their weird religious or spiritual claptrap. I once met a real UFO believer (and alien conspiracy theorist) at a sex party, and I really could not get intimate with her later. I was licking the pussies of other women whom I hadn’t actually talked to, but couldn’t lick UFO-lover’s cunt.

Sex is really very psychological for me as well. If I like another girl I would get all hot and kinky thinking about eating sperm from her asshole. But if I feel alienated from someone, I don’t want to let her touch me. I feel befouled by her ridiculous stupidity.

Sex is always a very personal and intimate experience. I can’t enjoy sucking the juices of someone whom I feel alienated from.

So far I have been talking about women, since this is after all a ‘lesbian’ part of the forum. Funny thing is, my fussiness about partners doesn’t apply to men. I don’t mind stupid men when in a sexual situation. I will suck all dicks and swallow all cum. I kind of accept and expect that all men are mindless when in a sexual situation, since all the ******* flows out of their brains into other parts.

Sometimes I have let racist Republican rednecks fuck me, and sometimes I have let far-left permanently offended black ‘intellectuals’ (ideologues) fuck me. And do you know who’s better and bigger? The white morons. Of course I can’t say my experiences are universal, but stupid white men seem to be better in the bed than stupid black men.
 
Never in all my years have I seen UFO conspiracy theorist and sex party in the same sentence. Bravo, Angelyn, you've lived quite the life! Lol But seriously, now I feel like I've been sheltered and lack sufficient carnal knowledge. I need to put myself out there more often. However, like you, I'm very cautious especially since I throughly enjoy bareback action. Oh yes.

It's good hear about your innate submissive nature, Angelyn. Tell us, when did you first experience ATM and eating cum from another woman's ass?
 
Um, eyespy, I haven’t had much of a sex life actually. My dream is to have sex parties every weekend, but in reality my sex life is very different.

I think you are being very male when you express surprise at my UFO conspiracy theorist statement.

Men go to sex parties to have sex and nothing else. No intelligent conversation, whether it is between men or with women. At one party the guys were actually watching some sports channel. I’m SERIOUS! The most WTF thing, however, was that the wives at that party treated it as normal. WTF is it with men, that there can be naked women around wanting sex, and you morons actually sit in front of the TV, NAKED, and ******* beer and watch sports? So what if you’ve already cum and can’t cum anymore for the evening? Do you not have fingers and tongues and toys?

I actually talk to women, you know. I can’t not talk to women. I can’t imagine other women not talking to me either. But the kind of woman who has her brain in an alternative universe... I can’t get intimate with.

That also goes with ******* up women. If I suspect anything, I stay away from such people. I don’t want to lick their secretions and wind up with the dregs of some *******.

Heh, for my first times, I’m not saying. At least not yet.
 
I've never been but would be very happy to attend a sex party/orgy. Hell yes, sign me up! This chico here ( that's me aka MAN) wouldn't even think of being glued to a TV whilst there was hardcore fucking going on mere feet away from me. Taking a breather or getting a bite to eat, yes. Checking my phone or catching up on ESPN... never. I guess I'm a rarity but when I'm with a girl, I feel like I'm on a high stakes covert military mission as in I've gotta make her cum hard, moan, and squirt for me. Failure is not an option. :cool:

I have to agree with you, Angelyn about associations. I wouldn't even dream of being with someone that smoked, did *******, or even smoked weed as all that makes me very uncomfortable and sometimes nauseous. I am religious; however, I would be turned off by talk of religion or politics at such a party. Best to focus on the fucking.
I have a feeling you and I would get a long well with each other, Angelyn.

Btw, were you a teen or 20 something when you had your first ATM and asshole eating experience?
 
I've never been but would be very happy to attend a sex party/orgy. Hell yes, sign me up! This chico here ( that's me aka MAN) wouldn't even think of being glued to a TV whilst there was hardcore fucking going on mere feet away from me. Taking a breather or getting a bite to eat, yes. Checking my phone or catching up on ESPN... never. I guess I'm a rarity but when I'm with a girl, I feel like I'm on a high stakes covert military mission as in I've gotta make her cum hard, moan, and squirt for me. Failure is not an option. :cool:

I have to agree with you, Angelyn about associations. I wouldn't even dream of being with someone that smoked, did *******, or even smoked weed as all that makes me very uncomfortable and sometimes nauseous. I am religious; however, I would be turned off by talk of religion or politics at such a party. Best to focus on the fucking.
I have a feeling you and I would get a long well with each other, Angelyn.

Btw, were you a teen or 20 something when you had your first ATM and asshole eating experience?


How like men to like ‘objective facts’. Black and White (pun not intended; I am referring to lack of gray areas.) What do exact dates and times have to do with validity? As a woman I keep finding that my preferences for gradations and nuances are not appreciated by men, whether in academia or on this website.

There is no sudden click when a girl changes from innocence, to doing ATM and rimming like a pornstar.

I honestly do not think you can put a real time on when I started doing ATM. It took over 10 years.
 
At the start: I was with other girls, we were playing with each other, someone licked someone’s butt (not anus, just her buttock) and made a face and we all giggled.

Some time later...

I was not the first girl to touch another girl’s butthole with my finger. I didn’t even see it. But one of my friends touched another girl’s butthole very lightly and quickly, and everyone laughed.

One day, I certainly don’t remember when, but I joined the others and stuck out my tongue and licked the perineum of another girl. It wasn’t nasty, so I started teasing others there also.

At some point in time we started Brazilian waxing. It took months. If you guys don’t know, it’s actually quite painful. Totally not something you can do in one session. Lots of experimentation and fumbling. Back then we didn’t have the benefit of the internet. Now I can just google and find out about numbing creams. We used ice instead at first, not knowing that it actually makes things worse (counterintuitively).

I know that my first oral-anal contact only came after we were comfortable with waxing. Because then we started more passionate tonguing. Without hair in the way, it looks cleaner and doesn’t feel nasty on the tongue.

I was rimming other girls long before I did any man.

But what about PTM? I don’t even know how to identify my first ever PTM. After all, we were toying with each other and teasing with tongues. We pressed vibrators against our pussies, sometimes the vibrators got wet and we licked the vibrators. Or we teased each other’s clits, maybe there was a slight penetration but no more than half an inch, and then we licked fingers, so is it really PTM?

It’s really another big gradation, and it was long before I was doing PTM like how pornstars do it.
 
Long before I actually sucked any man’s cock from my ass, I was doing enemas already. Why? Just because I wanted to feel clean, and because I wanted my partners to be able to finger my butt if they so wished. I was being digitally and orally teased at my spincther long before I lost my virginity (to a man).

Much time later...

One day I was fingered in both ass and pussy at the same time. Later I was given a finger to suck, and I sucked it, and it tasted of nasty lube. That was more like an ass than a pussy, since I use way more lube on my butt than in my vagina. But I actually didn’t know if it was ATM. I didn’t think to ask; there was plenty of stuff going on and I was enjoying it all.

Even now, I don’t really do ATM like a pornstar. When I see a white woman take a ten or twelve inch black cock straight from deep inside her anus, to deep throat the whole thing, I feel very heated. I blush and wince and feel so excited. But I can’t do the same thing. Inhibitions aside, I know I would almost certainly throw up right away.
 
How like men to like ‘objective facts’. Black and White (pun not intended; I am referring to lack of gray areas.) What do exact dates and times have to do with validity? As a woman I keep finding that my preferences for gradations and nuances are not appreciated by men, whether in academia or on this website.

There is no sudden click when a girl changes from innocence, to doing ATM and rimming like a pornstar.

I honestly do not think you can put a real time on when I started doing ATM. It took over 10 years.

Oh, I do notice and appreciate nuances here and there. I was attempting to gauge your level of skill and how many years of experience you had with ATM and rimming etc. I know it doesn't happen overnight but gradually.
 
At the start: I was with other girls, we were playing with each other, someone licked someone’s butt (not anus, just her buttock) and made a face and we all giggled.

Some time later...

I was not the first girl to touch another girl’s butthole with my finger. I didn’t even see it. But one of my friends touched another girl’s butthole very lightly and quickly, and everyone laughed.

One day, I certainly don’t remember when, but I joined the others and stuck out my tongue and licked the perineum of another girl. It wasn’t nasty, so I started teasing others there also.

At some point in time we started Brazilian waxing. It took months. If you guys don’t know, it’s actually quite painful. Totally not something you can do in one session. Lots of experimentation and fumbling. Back then we didn’t have the benefit of the internet. Now I can just google and find out about numbing creams. We used ice instead at first, not knowing that it actually makes things worse (counterintuitively).

I know that my first oral-anal contact only came after we were comfortable with waxing. Because then we started more passionate tonguing. Without hair in the way, it looks cleaner and doesn’t feel nasty on the tongue.

I was rimming other girls long before I did any man.

But what about PTM? I don’t even know how to identify my first ever PTM. After all, we were toying with each other and teasing with tongues. We pressed vibrators against our pussies, sometimes the vibrators got wet and we licked the vibrators. Or we teased each other’s clits, maybe there was a slight penetration but no more than half an inch, and then we licked fingers, so is it really PTM?

It’s really another big gradation, and it was long before I was doing PTM like how pornstars do it.


See, girls can experiment with each other and it's not a big deal. Completely opposite with men as we have to maintain our masculinity at all times. You REALLY enjoy everything anal related, Angelyn. Very few women are open with revealing their kinks. It's refreshing to read about it. Most of the Asian ladies I've dated were not at all interested in anything going in or out of their asses. Where were you and your freaky friends when I needed them? Lol

I'm pretty sure I've seen what you described in a few adult films. A group of girls in skimpy outfits staying up late and doing each other's makeup. Then, they get to playing truth or dare and one thing leads to another and the girls are practically probing and eating each other out. To think this really does happen plus what you described it's fucking hot.
 
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