And I'm sure you have more than mere speculation and wishful thinking to back up your statement? Of course not. When most people don't even know what these terms mean, there's no f'n way it's mainstream.
In reply to "And I'm sure you have more than mere speculation and wishful thinking to back up your statement? Of course not." There is a swinger's motel in the Denver metro area that has been there as long as anyone can remember. Many couples and "single" women and men go there often, many are regulars.
Downtown Denver you have the Scarlet Ranch. Near Golden you have the retreat. Both are on premise swing clubs. The Retreat is a very low pressure club where couples and "single" women can go to meet others and have god adult fun. Many couples have their first swinging experience there. The Scarlet Ranch is for the younger crowd. Many who go there are members as well as regulars.
There is a large swinging and poly community in the Denver area, as well as in Baltimore, D.C., Los Angeles, Houston, etc. We personally know of several poly triads and quads in the Denver/Boulder area. My hubby and his ex were very active in the swinging scene when they lived in Los Angeles.
We are one of two households that have lovers who are live-ins on our block. Our neighbors across the street and 8 houses down from us are a white couple and they have two black men who live with them. We met them 4 years ago. We met them when my now hubby and me and our live-in (at the time) were out biking.
We mentioned that we loved their lawn and had noticed how much work they had done. The wife stated that she and mostly her husband had done most of the work. While we were talking to the couple, one of their live-ins walked out, nodded to us, then he kissed the wife and went to his car and drove off. The wife admitted that she and her husband had an open relationship.
I introduced myself and my hubby, then I mentioned that our live-in was my lover. To prove the point, our live in reached under my T-shirt and grabbed my breasts and kissed me. The wife asked my hubby if he was okay with it. He told her he was very okay with it. This neighbor and I have shared men several times since.
My now hubby and his ex-wife have also introduced me to many of the triads and quads he and his ex-wife have known for years. The majority of the poly friends we have are a bit secretive of their lifestyles because many of them have children who are school age. And that makes sense.
Since my nephews, who still live with my sister, have shared the same g/f for the last four years, and my sister and I have shared men, and my sister's husband has enjoyed the lifestyle, and my nieces and their friends enjoy the lifestyle, and most all of our and my hubby's ex wife's friends are either poly or swingers, it is hard not to feel that we in this lifestyle are the few.
We have attended poly/swinger camp outs where up to 200 poly and swinger people got together and enjoyed each other. We have also attended a few swinger Halloween and New Years parties where 100 or more couples played with others and numerous husbands watched their wives with several of the same men.
When we have visited friends in Utah, Nevada, California, Washington, Oregon, Texas, New Mexico, Wyoming, Montana and Missouri we have been able to find others who either lived the lifestyle or wanted to.
The reason that I see this type of lifestyle as more common than most might think is from my own experience. I have had sex with more men than I can count. And I am sure many of them have been married. I also know that my sister, who is married, lives the cuck lifestyle. My ex-sister in law and I have shared men. We even shared men when she was married to my brother.
My hubby still has sex with his ex-wife. I have sex with most any guy who wants me, most of the time. I have a lover who I have known for over 25 years. He is married. I have come home to find our live-in doing another woman in our bed and her husband has been standing in the doorway masturbating and watching his wife with our live-in.
How am I not supposed to see this as more common than most think it is?